I thought I would share with you my experiences as a straight, white, non-political, low 30's - male in nursing. To avoid doxxing myself, I'll just say that I'm in a top 10 student getting my NP. I want to be very clear, I'm not saying men shouldn't go into nursing, I am saying you should understand what you're getting yourself into. Also, these are just my experiences and you could have a totally different experience.
I have an undergraduate in computer science and completed an ABSN program because I thought I'd like to work with people. The actual nursing portion of my program was great; fundamentals, pharmacology, and pathophysiology are all important classes to master. Unfortunately these courses represented a minority of the coursework. The majority of the coursework was spent essentially preaching socialism to us under the veneer of "community health" and "ethics". Now I get it, I was a little order when I went into nursing and I have a different perspective. But every single community health or ethics class was about how evil capitalism is and how there should be a government program for everything. Full disclaimer, I voted for Hilary Clinton twice and politics isn't my thing. The bias was so overwhelming and they didn't even try to hide it. I realize that socialism / communism is fashionable with the younger crowd, but I wish I would have learned about actual community health or ethical issues in nursing.
Race Issues. Yet another disclaimer, race couldn't mean less to me. We had several lectures and guest seminars from prominent people in campus leadership tell us that it wasn't possible to racist against white people because white people have all the power. It was just ironic because that statement came from a dean at an IVY league school that is a person of color. We had a few students that were obsessed with race. We would be learning about cardiac issues and the medications that you use to treat the conditions. For those that don't know, African Americans typically don't respond well to Angiotensin Receptor Blockers (ARBs) and are typically placed on calcium channel blockers. This one girl in class went on about how it was systemic racism and prior experiences being a slave that causes African Americans to have poor cardiac health. The professor went along with it.
To summarize my ABSN experience, I learned that it was never the patients fault for their own poor outcome. The poor outcome was entirely due to being oppressed because of their race or sex; or there isn't a government program available for them to utilize. The lack of a government program to help afford a generic medication that costs less than $5/90 day supply is probably due to racism.
I'll post about my experience in NP school later, but as a male I'd be aware of the following before I signed up for nursing school.
If I could describe nursing school in one word it would be gynocentric; if you gave me two words, I'd say extreme SJWs.
If you are science minded, put in the extra work and go to medical school. Trust me, I have friends that did this and the majority of your time is spent learning actual medicine. I had a semester long "evidence based practice" class where we learned that grounding yourself can improve your mental health. Grounding, as in grounding yourself to an electrical outlet or going barefoot in the grass. I've taken several classes on electricity and magnetism in my undergrad. "Grounding" yourself will do absolutely nothing but we learned pseudo-science instead of medicine.
If you are a-political or heaven forbid lean conservative; learn to keep your ideas to yourself. I got much better grades on assignments when I learned how to write like the reincarnation of Karl Marx.
Group work can be a very social thing. Group work in computer science focused on results and objective goals, does your code compile? Did your robot fall over and die? Nursing group work is about how people feel about the work. It's less objective and more subjective.
Your program will be mostly run by women and very effeminate men. My program has a prom every year. In all fairness, my computer science department would order bunch of kegs once a month for the students.
I'm not saying don't go into nursing. Nursing is a great profession and it's very rewarding. If I had to do it over again, I would have taken the additional year and applied to medical school.
I'll share more about my experience in NP school so far at another time.
On 7/22/2020 at 1:06 AM, TheDudeWithTheBigDog said:
BS. If this is how you write in school, THAT is why you lost points. It's not because you're conservative, it's because you just type up a bunch of BS, pass it off as fact, even though you don't have a single shred of actual evidence behind it. There's lots of conservative nurses on these forums. How did they get there if colleges are just indoctrinating them into being communist?
Also, you understand that an organization doesn't have to follow the beliefs of the people who created it, right? Most nonprofits are actually not political at all, by law.
You DO NOT specialize in critical thinking. You specialize in repeating what you read on some idiot's facebook page.
I think your problem is connecting the dots instead of my presentation of the evidence.
Is BLM leaders stating they are marxist trained not evidence for you? Did you not watch the video I linked earlier? I'm only repeating the words that came out of their mouth. If you don't see that as evidence I don't know what you will see as evidence.
Is Yuri Bezmenov a fictional character I made up to prove my point?
Read a sociology book and you will see that it is filled with marxist ideology, more evidence for you to deny.
By the way not all college professors are Marxist. I have a degree in biological sciences where I was taught to value empirical evidence as a means of reaching a conclusion. Not once did I encounter Marxism during my hard science training. Nursing is my second profession. The first time I encountered marxist ideology was in my sociology class. I find disturbing what the OP stated about his nursing education and I hope that type of experience is not universal.
Your ad hominem attacks do nothing to me and speak more about your ability to debate than my character.
Also, I don't lean left or right on the political spectrum. Science and politics should not be mixed. And if nursing is to be science based, politics should be left aside. I lean up or down when voting. Either you have integrity or you don't.
I run a business, I'm atheist. Does that mean the business has to have atheist beliefs?
Your values infleunce the business decisions you make. You might make business decisions that a religous person might not. So, yes your ideology infleunces your behavior.
Does your business success depend on your choices?
Are your choices not infleunced by your values and morals?
If I could change your morals and values would it change the choices you make?
Your values infleunce the business decisions you make. You might make business decisions that a religous person might not. So, yes your ideology infleunces your behavior.
Does your business success depend on your choices?
Are your choices not infleunced by your values and morals?
If I could change your morals and values would it change the choices you make?
While the success depends on my decisions, the success has nothing at all to do with whether or not I believe in a god. For my morals and values, no, they wouldn't affect the choices I make, because the choices I make aren't for me, they're for my business. As someone who's entire existence doesn't have to be about politics, I'm capable of separating the two and running a business based on what's best for the business and not best for my personal opinions.
The creator of a movement being a Marxist doesn't make the movement Marxist. For BLM, the fact that they sell stuff to raise money, that makes them 100% capitalist.
Everyone is just sticking to this idea that everything they do is based on marxist beliefs since the creator of the business calls herself a marxist. I'm willing to bet that most people here can't even accurately describe what communism is.
On 7/24/2020 at 11:09 AM, TheDudeWithTheBigDog said:
While the success depends on my decisions, the success has nothing at all to do with whether or not I believe in a god. For my morals and values, no, they wouldn't affect the choices I make, because the choices I make aren't for me, they're for my business. As someone who's entire existence doesn't have to be about politics, I'm capable of separating the two and running a business based on what's best for the business and not best for my personal opinions.
The creator of a movement being a Marxist doesn't make the movement Marxist. For BLM, the fact that they sell stuff to raise money, that makes them 100% capitalist.
Everyone is just sticking to this idea that everything they do is based on marxist beliefs since the creator of the business calls herself a marxist. I'm willing to bet that most people here can't even accurately describe what communism is.
Well we are going to have to agree to disagree because my values and morals do affect my business decisions. I wouldn't go and physically threaten or hurt my competition because it is against my values and morals.
Marxist ideology is absolutely going to affect the decisions BLM leaders make. BLM and Antifa rioters chanting "this is a revolution!" while attempting to burn the portland federal courthouse is not a coincidence. I find it ironic that BLM utilizes marxist ideology to fight oppression. Marxist countries have oppressed many in Russian and Chinese concentration camps. Take for example Uhyghurs in re education camps in Xinjiang China. These re education camps are nothing more than forced labor camps and are well known for their atrocious human rights violations.
Communism is not difficult to understand. There is no private ownership of businesses. Businesses are publicly owned. Karl Marx in his communist manifesto calls for revolution to overthrow capitalism. How would you feel if you took the financial risk, and put in the hard work to make your business a success; to later have it confiscated by the government? That is what happens during a communist revolution. Means of production such as farms, factories, and businesses become government property. All in the name of providing better wages for the working class.
Like I have said on my previous posts. The problem is police brutality and accountability which is affecting all ethnicities. Police brutality can be addressed by other means than joining a marxist organization.
There are institutional policies which are contributing to police brutality and deficits in police accountability. If we want to hold the small percentage of police officers that are breaking the law accountable, these institutional policies must be addressed. One such policy is qualified immunity in the US which provides legal protection to officers. This policy makes it extremely difficult to hold police officer's accountable who misbehave on the job. If nurses, doctors, and teachers can get sued for malpractice then why cant police officers get sued? We as nurses need to have malpractice insurance for such reasons. If police officers could be sued in civil court for malpractice then they would be required to have malpractice insurance just like us. Officers that are consistently sued would eventually be priced out of their malpractice insurance and no longer be able to practice.
How would you feel if you took the financial risk, and put in the hard work to make your business a success; to later have it confiscated by the government?
Does it still do what we created it to do? If my business became government owned, but I still ran it and I still did my job with it, that's a win, because now we have the resources to grow.
Communism itself is not bad. It has its benefits. But yeah, it does have its negative points, but at the same time, something we like to forget in this country is so does capitalism.
Communism needs a strong, FAIR government. The reason that the same two countries ALWAYS come up as examples of why we don't need it are two countries that would have been just as bad off as capitalist countries, because their governments were and still are extremely corrupt.
The US borrows from socialist and communist views for our economy. The internet you're reading this on was created completely thanks to communist prinicples, that you're able to use because of socialist principles.
I thought I would share with you my experiences as a straight, white, non-political, low 30's - male in nursing. To avoid doxxing myself, I'll just say that I'm in a top 10 student getting my NP. I want to be very clear, I'm not saying men shouldn't go into nursing, I am saying you should understand what you're getting yourself into. Also, these are just my experiences and you could have a totally different experience.
I have an undergraduate in computer science and completed an ABSN program because I thought I'd like to work with people. The actual nursing portion of my program was great; fundamentals, pharmacology, and pathophysiology are all important classes to master. Unfortunately these courses represented a minority of the coursework. The majority of the coursework was spent essentially preaching socialism to us under the veneer of "community health" and "ethics". Now I get it, I was a little order when I went into nursing and I have a different perspective. But every single community health or ethics class was about how evil capitalism is and how there should be a government program for everything. Full disclaimer, I voted for Hilary Clinton twice and politics isn't my thing. The bias was so overwhelming and they didn't even try to hide it. I realize that socialism / communism is fashionable with the younger crowd, but I wish I would have learned about actual community health or ethical issues in nursing.
Race Issues. Yet another disclaimer, race couldn't mean less to me. We had several lectures and guest seminars from prominent people in campus leadership tell us that it wasn't possible to racist against white people because white people have all the power. It was just ironic because that statement came from a dean at an IVY league school that is a person of color. We had a few students that were obsessed with race. We would be learning about cardiac issues and the medications that you use to treat the conditions. For those that don't know, African Americans typically don't respond well to Angiotensin Receptor Blockers (ARBs) and are typically placed on calcium channel blockers. This one girl in class went on about how it was systemic racism and prior experiences being a slave that causes African Americans to have poor cardiac health. The professor went along with it.
To summarize my ABSN experience, I learned that it was never the patients fault for their own poor outcome. The poor outcome was entirely due to being oppressed because of their race or sex; or there isn't a government program available for them to utilize. The lack of a government program to help afford a generic medication that costs less than $5/90 day supply is probably due to racism.
I'll post about my experience in NP school later, but as a male I'd be aware of the following before I signed up for nursing school.
If I could describe nursing school in one word it would be gynocentric; if you gave me two words, I'd say extreme SJWs.
If you are science minded, put in the extra work and go to medical school. Trust me, I have friends that did this and the majority of your time is spent learning actual medicine. I had a semester long "evidence based practice" class where we learned that grounding yourself can improve your mental health. Grounding, as in grounding yourself to an electrical outlet or going barefoot in the grass. I've taken several classes on electricity and magnetism in my undergrad. "Grounding" yourself will do absolutely nothing but we learned pseudo-science instead of medicine.
If you are a-political or heaven forbid lean conservative; learn to keep your ideas to yourself. I got much better grades on assignments when I learned how to write like the reincarnation of Karl Marx.
Group work can be a very social thing. Group work in computer science focused on results and objective goals, does your code compile? Did your robot fall over and die? Nursing group work is about how people feel about the work. It's less objective and more subjective.
Your program will be mostly run by women and very effeminate men. My program has a prom every year. In all fairness, my computer science department would order bunch of kegs once a month for the students.
I'm not saying don't go into nursing. Nursing is a great profession and it's very rewarding. If I had to do it over again, I would have taken the additional year and applied to medical school.
I'll share more about my experience in NP school so far at another time.
This has nothing to do with nursing. You either have a *** perspective or you are at a *** school. Either way, this has nothing to do with the nursing profession.
Just want to say that I feel this so hard right now. Male student, and I go to a top 10 BSN. It leans heavily to the left, to the point where it displays many, many, of the characteristics you have described. I have done very well in my program (3.9cgpa), graduating soon, and had to play the game of SJW/Marx like a hawk to do it.
On 7/26/2020 at 12:34 PM, Michellestudentnurse said:
This has nothing to do with nursing. You either have a *** perspective or you are at a *** school. Either way, this has nothing to do with the nursing profession.
I agree with you to a point, Michelle. For example, do all people who believe in systemic racism have a *** perspective? And, is a top 10 a *** school? While this is primarily concerned with the education behind nursing, and not so much nursing practice, it absolutely wiggles its way in to some degree when these students are effectively being cult-like brainwashed.
If people want a larger representation of men in nursing, which honestly I have seen the opposite of personally, then nursing must shift to a far more objective science than it stands currently; most nursing research consists of qualitative studies, for instance. And I am not generalizing males, I am speaking from my anecdotal experiences with all of the males in my life - most like structure and objectivity. For instance, when given outright egalitarian freedom of choice in Scandinavia, the ratio of women:men in nursing skews further to women than any other country - and likewise to men in engineering.
I know why you posted this OP, and I can say I am feeling pretty down about it as well. "Grow a thicker skin", well, why would anyone put up with this when they don't have to? I'll probably just end up moving to Medicine, where this happens (obviously), but to a far diminished extent.
Interesting find on Chinese Communist Party infiltrating American universities and subsequent crackdown by US law enforcement. Who's to say that this is not occuring in the humanities as well where we are seeing marxist ideology being pushed?
Hey guys just came across this interesting testimony to congress on ideological discrimination on US college campuses. I think the followers of this forum would find it interesting as well.
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I think your problem is connecting the dots instead of my presentation of the evidence.
Is BLM leaders stating they are marxist trained not evidence for you? Did you not watch the video I linked earlier? I'm only repeating the words that came out of their mouth. If you don't see that as evidence I don't know what you will see as evidence.
Is Yuri Bezmenov a fictional character I made up to prove my point?
Read a sociology book and you will see that it is filled with marxist ideology, more evidence for you to deny.
By the way not all college professors are Marxist. I have a degree in biological sciences where I was taught to value empirical evidence as a means of reaching a conclusion. Not once did I encounter Marxism during my hard science training. Nursing is my second profession. The first time I encountered marxist ideology was in my sociology class. I find disturbing what the OP stated about his nursing education and I hope that type of experience is not universal.
Your ad hominem attacks do nothing to me and speak more about your ability to debate than my character.
Also, I don't lean left or right on the political spectrum. Science and politics should not be mixed. And if nursing is to be science based, politics should be left aside. I lean up or down when voting. Either you have integrity or you don't.