My dad was a 'throw-away'

People do what they need to do at any given moment and it is up to us to be advocates for them. I know there are those who will say 'save those feelings for when you are in the nurses' station, or in the staff room'. I would challenge that. I would say, suspend those feelings entirely until it becomes a part of you. Stop them in their tracks. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

I have just graduated from an RN program. A month before my grad, my dad needed emergency brain surgery for an injury he sustained at work. Due to a series of complications, what should have been a relatively easy surgery turned into him being put into a medically induced coma. It has been over a month now, and he is slowly coming back to us, after weeks on end of non-responsiveness.

All the while, there have been great nurses, and there have been not-so-great nurses. I have learned such valuable things from both kinds. Sure, they are all terrifically 'efficient'. That means nothing to me, actually. We have had amazing care and consideration from a handful of them. Sadly, more often, we have also had thoughtless and hurtful things said to us, in front of us, and within earshot of us, unbeknownst to them. There have been things said in the presence of my father who was in a deep coma that I am sure he heard, because now that he is somewhat lucid, he nods 'yes' when I ask him certain things to see if he remembers anything from when he was 'out'. My father has been treated as a 'throw-away' patient in the ICU because he is 72 and has a brain injury. A few of his nurses never even bothered to get the back-story and did not know that he worked for a month with a chronic subdural bleed after his original concussion, that he is ridiculously healthy and active and strong in real life. That he beat terminal cancer 24 years ago when told he had 3 months to live and is tough as nails and has an incredible will to live. That he was put into a coma by his neurologist, he didn't go into a coma because of his injury. They treated him (and us) like he was a hopeless case, a vegetable. We were actually told by one nurse that his treatment was a waste of time when his neurologist ordered an EEG. Why? How hard is it to just do an EEG without sharing your opinion on whether or not you think it is necessary?

The biggest thing I have learned is that it is not up to us to cast judgment on a family's choices for their loved ones. It is not up to us to share our opinion or use diagnostic or prognostic language. Our job is to support patients and their families wherever they are at, nothing more than that. The grief, the reality, the anguish and doom, and gloom will take care of itself, trust me. We don't need to add to it. I know nursing is hard physically and emotionally. I know nurses get 'burn-out' and are privy to emotionally intense situations that might 'numb' us, or cause us to jump to conclusions in other situations. But acknowledging this is not good enough. It's not ok, regardless of the reasons.

I will never again judge anyone for not signing a DNR. I will never again judge anyone for any decision they make at any time. People do what they need to do at any given moment and it is up to us to be advocates for them. I know there are those who will say 'save those feelings for when you are in the nurses' station, or in the staff room'. I would challenge that. I would say, suspend those feelings entirely until it becomes a part of you. Stop them in their tracks. Do not attach judgment. Just be the support that the family needs.

I went to my graduation this past week and cried as I crossed the stage because my dad should have been there to see me. I also felt guilty for being there because I was not sure he was getting the care he needed while I was 4h away. I did not trust his nurses to care for him without me there advocating. It occurred to me again and again that this should never be the case. Nurses should ALWAYS be our advocates. I have not felt that yet during this experience. I have told the nurse-manager of the ICU this. I shudder to think of the patients whose families do not know enough to advocate for their loved ones.

And my dad? He is slowly making a recovery, is awake and is starting to move his body, his arms, and legs. His eyes open, and when his trach was plugged he spoke his first words to my mother in over a month- she told him she couldn't wait to get him home to his own bed. His response? 'What are we waiting for?' followed by a chuckle. He moves his arms and legs and tries to sit up. I asked him if he was doing this because he was uncomfortable. He said no. Through a series of yes and no questions (he can nod 'yes' and 'no'), we deduced that he is, in fact, doing his 'exercises'. He wants to get out of his bed, and he will. He affirms he is bored and wants to catch up on 'Mad Men'. He does math problems in his mind to stimulate his brain (my dad is a genius and can solve ridiculously complicated calculus problems in his head for 'fun'). The floor is abuzz with the news of my dad's awakening. He is surprising everyone.

All of this from a man who we were told would not survive, and his life was not worth the effort we were making.

As nurses, this is not up to us to decide, and it most certainly should not have an impact on the care we provide.

Anna L

BScN, RN

RE: Altra's Comment:

What a cold and unsupportive comment! Why bother commenting if your going to be so condescending and unempathetic? Using a "lay term"? Who cares what its called, its a coma! That was just being nasty! Sounds like you've been doing this way too long (if your even a nurse or dr) and you need to find another job. You've lost the kindness, advocacy, team spirit, compassion and empathy that all nurses should have. Nothing but coldness radiates from your comment. How sad for you! We should support each other and point things out to make our work and care better! We should be working together to make our practice better, not carry on the "old school nurses eat their young" mentality that don't want to work together. That doesn't work and if we don't stand up together and change it, it never will change.

He had a personal story to share and suggestions on how not to be in our practice. Not to discount people as "a vegetable" or "just a DNR". How we don't always know the story behind the actual lives of people laying there in our care. People! Not clients, not patients, but PEOPLE! Now I know of patients who were brain dead and their families would not let them go when the prognosis was slim to none. But we never should talk about them as if they were not there or as if they can't hear us. I've seen that a lot and that is just rude and unprofessional as well.

Its not our place to judge, but it is our job to support and give the best care we can give. I, for one, hope I never lose that compassion. Or it will be time for me to find another career!

Specializes in LTC, medsurg.

I, too, have to agree that Altra's comment was cold and unsupportive.

One of my family members is in a nursing home and rapidly declining. So, I also wear the hat of both nurse and client.

I stay very involved in the care and will often talk with the nurses about certain things. I remember one day I was asking the nurses for something, I forget what it was, but the nurse said "have you forgotten what's it's like to be on our side?" I was taken aback by this statement and the nurse continued to make remarks as "your being played", suggesting that my family member was only trying to get attention. How dare them make that assumption! It disappointed me tremendously.

I hope and pray that I never become that cold callused nurse. Thank you for your post. I wish your dad wellness and hope he pulls through this. My prayers go out to you and your family.

My heart goes out to the OP and I'm glad I had the chance to read about her situation; so difficult and hard for her - most especially as she begins her RN journey...thank you for sharing it, and I'm very sorry you and your dad/family had to experience it. Best wishes.

Many great and informative responses. **"Always"** --- I hope and pray for YOU to be my family members' professional, COMPASSIONATE Nurse, when we need it.

I aspire to learn the knowledge, look for every opportunity to gain the experience and then most especially to use it in the way you and many other wonderful Nurses have, for the literal good of the patients and families I serve and cross paths with in the years to come. And I do not think there is anything at all wrong with the nursing community responding honestly to nurses - young or old, beginning their path or having lots of experience - who show their harsh outlook in posts here. How very appropriate. Introspection should be ongoing.

Thanks so much,

Glass-half-full.

Alaur.....This post has come at an interesting time for me. As an ICU nurse for almost 20 years I have had a couple of recent cases that have kept me up at night. Cases where family members have elected to continue on with care despite a poor/unfavorable prognosis. In each of these cases the patients were of advanced age and ended up with a trach/peg and have low GCS scores with no quailty of life.

People often pray and desire that their family members live, they want them to beat the odds. Where my conflict lays is that we have the ability to keep many people alive......and we often do (at families requests) but what have we really achieved......and how do the familes really feel after the reality sinks in....the reality that the neurological state their loved one is in, will never really change. I whole heartedly believe the nurses you were dealing with had these thoughts cross their mind as well.

I understand that your father is in a different catagory than the examples that I have described above but I wanted to share what it can be like on the nursing side. It can be emotionally challenging and these situations are very delicate. There are many times as a nurse I have felt that in the name of healing we are actually torturing people (this is especially true in the ICU). I found your post interesting, it really speaks to what families really want and should you really just tell them what they want to hear. I am very, very conflicted by this.....

The other thought I wanted to share, and I try and talk to families about this as much as I can. Extended stays in the ICU are rollercoasters. There can be good days and bad days. There are many doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists etc but the one constant is the family. As a family member, you are part of the team. Since most families are at the bedside daily (and the other team members come and go) you may pick up on things that we may miss......that doesn't make us stupid or incompentant.......it just makes you a valuable member of the team.

There's some very powerful posts here and some of them are so very sad.

As nurses, we walk such a fine line so much of the time.

Whether to be the daughter or the nurse when a family member is sick.

When the patient isn't a family member, whether to be the nurse who brings up the possibility of perhaps enough is enough and risk getting it wrong or devastating people who still have hope or whether to be the nurse who doesn't bring it up and risk not reaching out to people who are desperately waiting to hear someone say those words..... no wonder we get it wrong sometimes.

It's so tough, and I'd like to think most of us do the best we can with whatever we have at the time but sadly that's not always the case. I think we need to be able to acknowledge it if we haven't done our best or if we've been thoughtless or if we've been somehow less than we could be and I think all of us need to acknowledge that as a group sometimes we fail and sometimes we deserve the criticism we get from those not in the field. I've found that most people will forgive mistakes or misunderstandings but what they won't forgive is having their concerns minimised, dismissed or brushed aside.

Specializes in Peds, School Nurse, clinical instructor.

I am sorry this happened to you and your family.Thankfully, your Dad had you taking care of him, not everyone has that luxury. I always have been believed that not all nurses should be nurses....this just proves my point. God bless you all. :hug:

Specializes in kids.

Alta I dont understand your response to the OP

OP my heart breaks for you

not.done.yet I learned how to say goodby from a 15 year old dying with a brain tumor---she knew it, her family knew it and so did we....she had more grace in her death than many people have in their life.....I am so sorry for your loss

Shameful that anyone judges...anyone.

I wish your dad a speedy recovery.

I got a story.

We were nursing students at that time. A nurse reported that this pt is deaf. Me, my friend, and my instructor gave him an excellence care. When his daugther came to visit, she came to us and thanked for taking care of her dad. She said her dad told her all about it.

Yeah, he can hear and speak. He just didn't feel like it.

"Becareful of your action when you think pt can't/don't understand it," said my instructor.

Specializes in school nursing, ortho, trauma.

It happens everywhere - even in the hospital I admin at - I'll get an exaperated call from the ICU stating that they're getting a patient and that patient should be a DNR. "I mean can you believe that the patient is 93, end stage renal, advanced alzheimers and so forth and the patient in scheduled for XYZ and this is all really a waste of time and the family won't sign the DNR." I know you feel burned out. I know you feel like you never get a break and I am sorry for that. But these are not our judgements to make. These are not discussions to have within earshot of the patients and their families. If you want to vent in the breakroom, then have at it. If you have a specific concern and are truly advocating for a patient and not just hemming and hawing over having a medically complex albeit elderly and medical fragile patient that is going to take up a lot of your time, them please call me to the unit and we will discuss your concerns and voice them to the attending together.

I am sorry that you and your dad had to go through such a difficult experience.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

I think that we all just need to be reminded that hearing is the last to go. That sometimes our reality makes us sound harsh. I am the Queen of DNR and comfort care. I believe that we treat our animals better than we treat our loved ones.

But when you are on the side of a loved one and some gum snapping, eye rolling, sarcastic care provider make thoughtless and callous comments.....those comments are devastating and will live in the mind of the family you said them to for a long time.

It isn't the message that is offensive it's how that message is delivered that counts.

Just because they are old, beyond hope, irreversible damaged. There are miracles, albeit far and few between, and someone loves them very much.

Flare,

Nurses are human beings as well, it is never satisfying to code a 93yr old-even if they are healthy. It is reasonable to discuss these things with families and often times I don't think that people really understand what "do everything" means. Truth be told most nurses outside of the ICU rarely understand the nature of what is done to these patients. Lines and tubes in every possible place....poking, proding, shocking, chest compressions. It is not a matter of not wanting to be busy........it really is a matter of compassion and there is an element of frustration, why are we so fixated on keeping people alive?

Lines and tubes in every possible place....poking, proding, shocking, chest compressions.

If we picked up someone on the street and did what we did to these patients, poking them, stabbing them, electrocuting them, we'd be labelled a sadistic psychopath. It's one thing when there's a realistic chance at meaningful recovery, but when there's not... If you aren't a sadistic psychopath, it's only human to want to avoid doing things that are sadistically psychopathological.