My Beloved Nursing Students

As a long time nurse and educator I want to be sure that the touch is handed over to the next generation with the same wish it was handed to me. I was graced with loving mentors who never failed to help me become the best nurse I could be...so to my beloved students. Here is what I share. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

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There are many of us here who love helping you. We ask that you show us your work. Show us that you have your critical thinking caps on and are trying to grasp this new way of thinking.

Tell us what you think and we will go out of our way to help you. Saying that we will not do your homework is not being mean. Our job is to help you become the best nurse that you can be. We want you to have the AhHa moment where it suddenly clicks and makes sense.

Care plans really aren't that hard with the right resources and assessment about what your patient needs. Many nursing students over this this process and become over whelmed. Think about your care plan as a recipe card for how to care for the patient step by step.

So, when you ask about a care plan...tell us about your patient. What did you see? What did they say? What does your brain tell you that they need.

Let the patient/patient assessment drive your diagnosis. Do not try to fit the patient to the diagnosis you found first.

You need to

  • Know the pathophysiology of your disease process
  • Assess your patient
  • Collect data
  • Find a diagnosis
  • Let the patient data drive that diagnosis

So......back to square one.....What is your assessment? What are the vital signs? What is your patient saying? Is the the patient having pain? Are they having difficulty with ADLS? What teaching do they need? What does the patient need? What is the most important to them now? What is important for them to know in the future. TELL ME ABOUT YOUR PATIENT...:)

The medical diagnosis is the disease itself. It is what the patient has not necessarily what the patient needs. the nursing diagnosis is what are you going to do about it, what are you going to look for, and what do you need to do/look for first. From what you posted I do not have the information necessary to make a nursing diagnosis.

Care plans when you are in school are teaching you what you need to do to actually look for, what you need to do to intervene and improve for the patient to be well and return to their previous level of life or to make them the best you you can be. It is trying to teach you how to think like a nurse.

Think of the care plan as a recipe to caring for your patient. your plan of how you are going to care for them. how you are going to care for them. what you want to happen as a result of your caring for them. What would you like to see for them in the future, even if that goal is that you don't want them to become worse, maintain the same, or even to have a peaceful pain free death.

Every single nursing diagnosis has its own set of symptoms, or defining characteristics. they are listed in the NANDA taxonomy and in many of the current nursing care plan books that are currently on the market that include nursing diagnosis information. You need to have access to these books when you are working on care plans. You need to use the nursing diagnoses that NANDA has defined and given related factors and defining characteristics for. These books have what you need to get this information to help you in writing care plans so you diagnose your patients correctly.

Don't focus your efforts on the nursing diagnoses when you should be focusing on the assessment and the patients abnormal data that you collected. These will become their symptoms, or what NANDA calls defining characteristics.

From a very wise AN contributor Daytonite.......make sure you follow these steps first and in order and let the patient drive your diagnosis not try to fit the patient to the diagnosis you found first.

Here are the steps of the nursing process and what you should be doing in each step when you are doing a written care plan: ADPIE

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  1. Assessment (collect data from medical record, do a physical assessment of the patient, assess ADL'S, look up information about your patient's medical diseases/conditions to learn about the signs and symptoms and pathophysiology)
  2. Determination of the patient's problem(s)/nursing diagnosis (make a list of the abnormal assessment data, match your abnormal assessment data to likely nursing diagnoses, decide on the nursing diagnoses to use)
  3. Planning (write measurable goals/outcomes and nursing interventions)
  4. Implementation (initiate the care plan)
  5. Evaluation (determine if goals/outcomes have been met)

Care plan reality

The foundation of any care plan is the signs, symptoms or responses that patient is having to what is happening to them. What is happening to them could be the medical disease, a physical condition, a failure to perform ADLS (activities of daily living), or a failure to be able to interact appropriately or successfully within their environment. Therefore, one of your primary goals as a problem solver is to collect as much data as you can get your hands on. The more the better. You have to be the detective and always be on the alert and lookout for clues, at all times, and that is Step #1 of the nursing process.

Assessment is an important skill. It will take you a long time to become proficient in assessing patients. Assessment not only includes doing the traditional head-to-toe exam, but also listening to what patients have to say and questioning them. History can reveal import clues. It takes time and experience to know what questions to ask to elicit good answers (interview skills). Part of this assessment process is knowing the pathophysiology of the medical disease or condition that the patient has. But, there will be times that this won't be known. Just keep in mind that you have to be like a nurse detective always snooping around and looking for those clues.

A nursing diagnosis standing by itself means nothing

The meat of this care plan of yours will lie in the abnormal data (symptoms) that you collected during your assessment of this patient......in order for you to pick any nursing diagnoses for a patient you need to know what the patient's symptoms are. Although your patient isn't real you do have information available.

What I would suggest you do is to work the nursing process from step #1. Take a look at the information you collected on the patient during your physical assessment and review of their medical record. Start making a list of abnormal data which will now become a list of their symptoms. Don't forget to include an assessment of their ability to perform ADLS (because that's what we nurses shine at).

The ADLS are bathing, dressing, transferring from bed or chair, walking, eating, toilet use, and grooming. and, one more thing you should do is to look up information about symptoms that stand out to you. What is the physiology and what are the signs and symptoms (manifestations) you are likely to see in the patient. did you miss any of the signs and symptoms in the patient? if so, now is the time to add them to your list.

This is all part of preparing to move onto step #2 of the process which is determining your patient's problem and choosing nursing diagnoses. but, you have to have those signs, symptoms and patient responses to back it all up.

Care plan reality

What you are calling a nursing diagnosis is actually a shorthand label for the patient problem.. The patient problem is more accurately described in the definition of the nursing diagnosis.

Give us a little and we will give you whatever you need.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

I was thinking that I need to revisit this today.

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Specializes in Emergency and Critical Care.
Esme12 said:
Alas...I am not "allowed" to officially teach any more as I do not have a masters. But I am always here to help PM me any time :up:

Esme12, I have a similar background to yours with about the same number of years, I headed back to school at the age of 50 for my BSN, something I always wanted to do for myself. Once I finished my BSN, I thought I might as well keep going and I went on for my MSN with a focus on education, it took me a bit over 3 years to do both. I did it all on line through the Grand Canyon University, I went every day except for holidays. I Loved every minute of it. I knew I couldn't physically keep working in the ER to retirement and I needed to give myself some other options. My goal was to teach on line on my lap top at the beach. I didn't make it to the beach I ended up taking a position as director of a practical nurse program, and I Love it. You sound like you should be teaching, you should go for it, you are never to old, as a matter of fact I think you are at the perfect age to be doing it. My worse class was statistics because I had not been in school for many years, but I went through it and you tube has amazing videos to help you role through it. I ended up with an over all GPA 3.95, but for my MSN I had a 4.0. If I can do it you can too. Obviously it wasn't for the money because in academics it is a significant cut in pay from clinical, but it has thus far been very rewarding. I'm tossing around going on for my Doctorate. Since it is considered the terminal degree I may die before I ever pay off my student loans ? but I Love being a student, I Love learning and I love passing on what I have spent many years learning. I needed to give back. You offer such wonderful advise to so many here on this site, and you obviously have so much to offer, it is unfortunate that the states require the degrees in lieu of experience, but such as it is, and you and I have seen many changes over our years. You are greatly needed.

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cinlou said:
Esme12, I have a similar background to yours with about the same number of years, I headed back to school at the age of 50 for my BSN, something I always wanted to do for myself. Once I finished my BSN, I thought I might as well keep going and I went on for my MSN with a focus on education, it took me a bit over 3 years to do both. I did it all on line through the Grand Canyon University, I went every day except for holidays. I Loved every minute of it. I knew I couldn't physically keep working in the ER to retirement and I needed to give myself some other options. My goal was to teach on line on my lap top at the beach. I didn't make it to the beach I ended up taking a position as director of a practical nurse program, and I Love it. You sound like you should be teaching, you should go for it, you are never to old, as a matter of fact I think you are at the perfect age to be doing it. My worse class was statistics because I had not been in school for many years, but I went through it and you tube has amazing videos to help you role through it. I ended up with an over all GPA 3.95, but for my MSN I had a 4.0. If I can do it you can too. Obviously it wasn't for the money because in academics it is a significant cut in pay from clinical, but it has thus far been very rewarding. I'm tossing around going on for my Doctorate. Since it is considered the terminal degree I may die before I ever pay off my student loans ? but I Love being a student, I Love learning and I love passing on what I have spent many years learning. I needed to give back. You offer such wonderful advise to so many here on this site, and you obviously have so much to offer, it is unfortunate that the states require the degrees in lieu of experience, but such as it is, and you and I have seen many changes over our years. You are greatly needed.

Thanks you....

Unfortunately...the cards are not in my favor. I am disabled from an auto-immune disorder. My daughter is going into a BSN program in the fall and my son will be in college next fall. I have a BSN and there is not enough room in the budget for more debt. My disability has progressed to the point I need a wheelchair. People don't want a nurse in a wheelchair. I can walk only a few feet without assistance. The wheels that have become a necessary evil for me has somehow affected my ability to process intelligent thought..it is what it is. I had an educator position...until I needed assistance with walking. I have, begrudgingly, come to terms with this...sigh

I know people make the right noises but when it comes to the bottom line...I "am over qualified", "not enough experience", "Not enough education", and they have "found a better candidate". Taking on debt for me...with no real chance that anyone would hire me...is not a reality until they are taken care of...so....I help online. I volunteer at a sim lab, with the approval of the school, to help the students run through scenarios and critically think.

I spend my time here helping. I love this community! It suits me.

Good for you! The profession NEEDS good teachers like us!

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Specializes in Emergency and Critical Care.
Esme12 said:
Thanks you....

Unfortunately...the cards are not in my favor. I am disabled from an auto-immune disorder. My daughter is going into a BSN program in the fall and my son will be in college next fall. I have a BSN and there is not enough room in the budget for more debt. My disability has progressed to the point I need a wheelchair. People don't want a nurse in a wheelchair. I can walk only a few feet without assistance. The wheels that have become a necessary evil for me has somehow affected my ability to process intelligent thought..it is what it is. I had an educator position...until I needed assistance with walking. I have, begrudgingly, come to terms with this...sigh

I know people make the right noises but when it comes to the bottom line...I "am over qualified", "not enough experience", "Not enough education", and they have "found a better candidate". Taking on debt for me...with no real chance that anyone would hire me...is not a reality until they are taken care of...so....I help online. I volunteer at a sim lab, with the approval of the school, to help the students run through scenarios and critically think.

I spend my time here helping. I love this community! It suits me.

Good for you! The profession NEEDS good teachers like us!

Well Esme12, you just reconfirmed to me and others that one can have a career as a nurse or they ARE A NURSE. And YOU my dear one are a NURSE and an EDUCATOR. No matter the challenge you still find a way to teach others. Thank you for offering that personal information to us here, you just poor out what being a NURSE is all about. Thank you

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Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

There have been some posts that I think this needs to be revisited....Once again....To my beloved nursing students.

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If I ever needed medical help, I would hope a nurse like you was there! You seem very diligent. Thanks for the informative post.

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Esme12 said:
Thanks you....

Unfortunately...the cards are not in my favor. I am disabled from an auto-immune disorder. My daughter is going into a BSN program in the fall and my son will be in college next fall. I have a BSN and there is not enough room in the budget for more debt. My disability has progressed to the point I need a wheelchair. People don't want a nurse in a wheelchair. I can walk only a few feet without assistance. The wheels that have become a necessary evil for me has somehow affected my ability to process intelligent thought..it is what it is. I had an educator position...until I needed assistance with walking. I have, begrudgingly, come to terms with this...sigh

I know people make the right noises but when it comes to the bottom line...I "am over qualified", "not enough experience", "Not enough education", and they have "found a better candidate". Taking on debt for me...with no real chance that anyone would hire me...is not a reality until they are taken care of...so....I help online. I volunteer at a sim lab, with the approval of the school, to help the students run through scenarios and critically think.

I spend my time here helping. I love this community! It suits me.

Good for you! The profession NEEDS good teachers like us!

Oh my gosh.....even with all that adversity, still, thank you for teaching us and pushing us. You are the same to me as if I had an instructor standing right next to me. Thank you!

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How do I save or favorite this post? I start school monday and im pretty sure this post will helop me when I start doing care plans.

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Subscribe to the thread. Or it will be under the "participated" heading.

NuNurse15 said:
How do I save or favorite this post? I start school Monday and I'm pretty sure this post will helop me when I start doing care plans.
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I think I may have done an accidental butt posting. ?

Esme, thank you so much for all your words of wisdom and encouragement. I have been a "lurker" for a while and have just started posting. There are many of "regulars" that post on this site, that I have huge respect for and enjoy they're postings.

I am so sorry to hear of your illness, I too suffer from an autoimmune disorder,among other issues. I wish you, more good days than bad. Thank you, for liking my random post ?

MissyRN

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messymissy said:
I think I may have done an accidental butt posting. 

Esme, thank you so much for all your words of wisdom and encouragement. I have been a "lurker" for a while and have just started posting. There are many of "regulars" that post on this site, that I have huge respect for and enjoy they're postings.

I am so sorry to hear of your illness, I too suffer from an autoimmune disorder,among other issues. I wish you, more good days than bad. Thank you, for liking my random post 

MissyRN

((HUGS)) and thanks.

Hey it could hace been a grade IV astrocytoma...I consider myself lucky. My son just started his senior year and my daughter starts her nursing program on Tues....she graduated last June.

Life it good......:)

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