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More ignorance. Any wonder the public is confused!

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Specializes in Peri-op/Sub-Acute ANP.

danceyrun

Specializes in Oncology.

Wow. Really, "Karla"? Really?

TakeTwoAspirin, MSN, RN, APRN

Specializes in Peri-op/Sub-Acute ANP.

Perhaps Karla would let me do her taxes this year. I'm pretty good at math. I think I'll call myself an Accountant, yeah.

Ruas61, BSN, RN

Specializes in MDS/ UR. Has 39 years experience.

Oh my!

She may be s------ when she asks for that job descripton, and it requires an RN.

PeepnBiscuitsRN

Specializes in OB (with a history of cardiac).

And now — unless patient welfare is at stake, or you’re being asked to do something illegal —

....liiiiiiike practice nursing without a license?....Karla?

Pudnluv, ASN, RN

Specializes in ED. Has 20 years experience.

The person never really says what her job is. She could be an office manager in a doctor's office that oversees both clinincal and non clinical staff. I've worked in a few doc's office where the manager was not a nurse. The thing that bothers me is that she says she has the same skills as an RN. Unless she went to an accredited nursing school and is licensed in her state, she does not possess the skills. This Karla chick, whoever she is, might want to have advised the questioner that working as an RN without a license is a crime. Honestly, the whole thing offended me.

klone, MSN, RN

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership. Has 15 years experience.

Huh. That whole article was weird.

BrandonLPN, LPN

Has 5 years experience.

Um, I'm pretty sure that if her job title is "RN unit manager" and she's not a RN, she is committing a crime. Period.

BrandonLPN, LPN

Has 5 years experience.

Also, it's pretty insulting that she applied for a RN position saying, "I'm not a nurse, but I have all the skills needed for the job." No, no you do not. And how about Karla calling a RN licence "some irrelevant qualification" Really?

Pudnluv, ASN, RN

Specializes in ED. Has 20 years experience.

The person never really says what her job is. She could be an office manager in a doctor's office that oversees both clinincal and non clinical staff. I've worked in a few doc's office where the manager was not a nurse. The thing that bothers me is that she says she has the same skills as an RN.

Unless she went to an accredited nursing school and is licensed in her state, she does not possess the skills. This Karla chick, whoever she is, might want to have advised the questioner that working as an RN without a license is a crime. Honestly, the whole thing offended me.

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Pudnluv, ASN, RN

Specializes in ED. Has 20 years experience.

This is the email I just sent to Karla at wpmagazine@washpost.com.

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I read your response to the person who wrote in asking if she should be worried about her job because she is not an RN. First, if she is working under the title of RN manager, then she certainly should be worried. Using the title RN without a license is the same as calling yourself and MD without a medical license. It is illegal. No one can call themselves "nurse" unless they have a valid nursing license. Also, saying that one does not have a RN license, but has all the skills of an RN is ludicrous. Just because I can dissect a pig's brain, does not make me a neurosurgeon. To become a Registered Professional Nurse, one must attend an accredited school, learn the skills and theory, practice the skills and theory and then take a state licensing exam. All that to become minimally competent to practice nursing. Nursing is a profession that requires school, training and practice. It is not something one carries in their back pocket to whip out and say "Oh, I can do that too." If the job description called for administrative skills only, then yes, the questioner may have had those skills. if that is the case, then the appropriate title would be administrative manager, not RN manager. Even though she may not use the title, she is letting others refer to her title as an RN. Is she actively correcting this? If not, a crime of admission is still a crime. She should be reported to the state board of nursing for practicing without a license. Your advice was erroneous and insulting to all the nurses out there who worked hard to earn their title. Please show the respect to our profession that is our due.

Sincerely,

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roro83

Has 1 years experience.

This is the email I just sent to Karla at wpmagazine@washpost.com.

I read your response to the person who wrote in asking if she should be worried about her job because she is not an RN. First, if she is working under the title of RN manager, then she certainly should be worried. Using the title RN without a license is the same as calling yourself and MD without a medical license. It is illegal. No one can call themselves "nurse" unless they have a valid nursing license. Also, saying that one does not have a RN license, but has all the skills of an RN is ludicrous. Just because I can dissect a pig's brain, does not make me a neurosurgeon. To become a Registered Professional Nurse, one must attend an accredited school, learn the skills and theory, practice the skills and theory and then take a state licensing exam. All that to become minimally competent to practice nursing. Nursing is a profession that requires school, training and practice. It is not something one carries in their back pocket to whip out and say "Oh, I can do that too." If the job description called for administrative skills only, then yes, the questioner may have had those skills. if that is the case, then the appropriate title would be administrative manager, not RN manager. Even though she may not use the title, she is letting others refer to her title as an RN. Is she actively correcting this? If not, a crime of admission is still a crime. She should be reported to the state board of nursing for practicing without a license. Your advice was erroneous and insulting to all the nurses out there who worked hard to earn their title. Please show the respect to our profession that is our due.

Sincerely,

Well said!

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psu_213, BSN, RN

Specializes in Emergency, Telemetry, Transplant. Has 6 years experience.

And how about Karla calling a RN licence "some irrelevant qualification" Really?

When I read the question and the first part of the answer I was thinking "ok, whatever, this is just some people who don't know much about the situation providing sill commentary." The I reached this statement and was just floored. I always thought the Post provided thoughtful insight, but to call a nursing license an "irrelevant standard?" I can't even being to explain how wrong and insulting this is. All I can say, is that I'm glad I don't work around this or any other unlicensed 'RN managers.' As for the author of this piece, I don't waste any time paying attention to uneducated talking heads who just say stuff for the point of filling our heads with mindless drivel.

psu_213, BSN, RN

Specializes in Emergency, Telemetry, Transplant. Has 6 years experience.

Perhaps Karla would let me do her taxes this year. I'm pretty good at math. I think I'll call myself an Accountant, yeah.

I have a few college degrees and I have been working for several years. True, none of the degrees are in journalism and none of my work has been in writing for newspapers...however, these are just irrelevant standards for someone who wants a job in journalism. I'm sure I can make up some half truths and put together some interesting articles that provide career advice. Therefore, I should get Karla's job. This is the only time I've read a piece by Karla, but I'm pretty darn sure my article would be a better read.

psu_213, BSN, RN

Specializes in Emergency, Telemetry, Transplant. Has 6 years experience.

One other comment on this. Suppose Karla had surgery. I'm almost 100% sure that she is going to want the person caring for her in the PACU, ICU, and step-down to be a licensed nurse. Somehow I think "ah well, you have the skills...who cares if you didn't go to school for this?" is not going to cut it when Karla's life is on the line.

nursel56

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty. Has 45 years experience.

Reader: Recently, I have heard them refer to me as an “RN manager” (I manage a team, but they are not RNs). And now my supervisors will hire only RNs for my position. . . . .etc

Karla: There’s a lot of this going around. Hold on while I get my white lab coat.

Symptoms: Despite positive feedback and rewards, subject lives in fear of being “found out” for failing to meet an irrelevant standard.

Apparently not so irrelevant to Reader's employer, huh? I give Karla a big #fail at understanding the meaning of this one, although she did take time to comment that the impolitic headline was not her doing, and anyway those headline writers are simply too busy to bother with "nuance". smiley-laughing010.gif

LadyFree28, BSN, RN

Specializes in Pediatrics, Rehab, Trauma. Has 10 years experience.

This is the email I just sent to Karla at wpmagazine@washpost.com.

I read your response to the person who wrote in asking if she should be worried about her job because she is not an RN. First, if she is working under the title of RN manager, then she certainly should be worried. Using the title RN without a license is the same as calling yourself and MD without a medical license. It is illegal. No one can call themselves "nurse" unless they have a valid nursing license. Also, saying that one does not have a RN license, but has all the skills of an RN is ludicrous. Just because I can dissect a pig's brain, does not make me a neurosurgeon. To become a Registered Professional Nurse, one must attend an accredited school, learn the skills and theory, practice the skills and theory and then take a state licensing exam. All that to become minimally competent to practice nursing. Nursing is a profession that requires school, training and practice. It is not something one carries in their back pocket to whip out and say "Oh, I can do that too." If the job description called for administrative skills only, then yes, the questioner may have had those skills. if that is the case, then the appropriate title would be administrative manager, not RN manager. Even though she may not use the title, she is letting others refer to her title as an RN. Is she actively correcting this? If not, a crime of admission is still a crime. She should be reported to the state board of nursing for practicing without a license. Your advice was erroneous and insulting to all the nurses out there who worked hard to earn their title. Please show the respect to our profession that is our due.

Sincerely,

Just WOW...Wouldn't said it better myself! :)

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