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MNA and Nurses Respond to the Killing of George Floyd by Police

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As a nurse, what is your first reaction as you hear those words? You are reading page 34 of MNA and Nurses Respond to the Killing of George Floyd by Police. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

On 4/29/2021 at 12:30 AM, gere7404 said:

actually, the only person killed that day was a white woman shot by a black police officer 

Proof, please.  And an officer later died of his injuries

On 4/27/2021 at 6:54 PM, Workitinurfava said:

He told no lies. I'm glad he spoke the truth of what he is seeing.

Irrelevant 

LibraNurse27, BSN, RN

Specializes in Community Health, Med/Surg, ICU Stepdown. Has 8 years experience.

I have been reading more about the Ma'Khia Bryant situation, and found that maybe I myself have some biases to work on. I previously stated that maybe she had to be shot because she was threatening someone else. Then I read this and other similar statements:

"Crisis response experts noted, however, that deescalation tactics — like commanding Bryant to drop the weapon, physically getting between the women, or simply communicating with her — could have kept everyone alive. In many recorded encounters between the police and white people carrying weapons, for instance, officers didn’t shoot first or even reach for their guns — they successfully managed to peacefully apprehend the suspect."

White men who have committed mass shootings have been arrested without being killed. I can NOT comment on police techniques because I am not and could never be a cop, but I do wonder how a 16 yr old girl without a firearm needs to be shot but a white man with multiple AK 47s doesn't. 

MunoRN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care. Has 10 years experience.

22 minutes ago, LibraNurse27 said:

I have been reading more about the Ma'Khia Bryant situation, and found that maybe I myself have some biases to work on. I previously stated that maybe she had to be shot because she was threatening someone else. Then I read this and other similar statements:

"Crisis response experts noted, however, that deescalation tactics — like commanding Bryant to drop the weapon, physically getting between the women, or simply communicating with her — could have kept everyone alive. In many recorded encounters between the police and white people carrying weapons, for instance, officers didn’t shoot first or even reach for their guns — they successfully managed to peacefully apprehend the suspect."

White men who have committed mass shootings have been arrested without being killed. I can NOT comment on police techniques because I am not and could never be a cop, but I do wonder how a 16 yr old girl without a firearm needs to be shot but a white man with multiple AK 47s doesn't. 

If the situation was that she was just holding a weapon, or threatening someone else with a weapon then I could see room for non-lethal intervention first, but that's not what happened, she was actively stabbing multiple people.

6 hours ago, MunoRN said:

If the situation was that she was just holding a weapon, or threatening someone else with a weapon then I could see room for non-lethal intervention first, but that's not what happened, she was actively stabbing multiple people.

No, she was not. She stabbed not a single person and she picked the knife up off the ground after she was shoved to the ground while being jumped. I'm tired of people making infinite excuses to validate this child being murdered but don't have that same energy for white folk who do far worse. There are videos of grown white men beating the hell out of the police, stabbing them, shooting them or at them, so forth and so on without so much as being tased. She was defending herself and was the one in danger hence why she called the police. There's a video clear as day showing this but here you are reaching for validation in this child's murder. Some of y'all are real iffy on situations involving nonwhite people. I'm afraid for the patients in your care.

gere7404, BSN, RN, EMT-B

Specializes in Emergency Services, Cardiac Step-Down. Has 5 years experience.

6 hours ago, MunoRN said:

If the situation was that she was just holding a weapon, or threatening someone else with a weapon then I could see room for non-lethal intervention first, but that's not what happened, she was actively stabbing multiple people.

to be accurate, she didn’t stab anybody; she had another girl up against a car and appeared to be attempting to stab her before as was shot. 
 

 

 

MunoRN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care. Has 10 years experience.

15 hours ago, NurseBlaq said:

No, she was not. She stabbed not a single person and she picked the knife up off the ground after she was shoved to the ground while being jumped. I'm tired of people making infinite excuses to validate this child being murdered but don't have that same energy for white folk who do far worse. There are videos of grown white men beating the hell out of the police, stabbing them, shooting them or at them, so forth and so on without so much as being tased. She was defending herself and was the one in danger hence why she called the police. There's a video clear as day showing this but here you are reaching for validation in this child's murder. Some of y'all are real iffy on situations involving nonwhite people. I'm afraid for the patients in your care.

No, that's not what happened, there are at least two videos of the incident. I would agree that "stabbed at" is more accurate than "stabbed" since in multiple attempts she failed land a penetrating blow.

But she wasn't shot while just standing there holding a knife she found on the ground, or simply defending her self, she stated "I'm going to stab the *** out of you ***" while chasing and attempting to stab the first woman, then turned to another woman and was again attempting to stab her when she was shot.

There absolutely are a disturbing number of incidents where officers have killed people of color where there was clearly no justification for lethal force.  This was clearly not one of those situations.  Misrepresenting or distorting what actually happened to pad the list only weakens the argument that this is actually a problem.

 

LibraNurse27, BSN, RN

Specializes in Community Health, Med/Surg, ICU Stepdown. Has 8 years experience.

47 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

Misrepresenting or distorting what actually happened to pad the list only weakens the argument that this is actually a problem.

That is not what people are doing. Many have made the distinction that in this case the person murdered by a police officer was committing a crime. They also pointed out that if she had been a young white girl she would likely not have been shot if she was doing the exact same thing.

Somehow police find ways to de-escalate or use nonfatal techniques to take people down when it's a white person, but if it's a black person suddenly lethal force becomes necessary, even when it's a young girl in foster care. I've had pts threaten me with knives and I somehow survived without shooting them. Not even joking. I still state I could never do a police officer's job and that it is one of the most difficult jobs I can imagine, but racism in policing cannot be denied. 

MunoRN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care. Has 10 years experience.

9 minutes ago, LibraNurse27 said:

That is not what people are doing. Many have made the distinction that in this case the person murdered by a police officer was committing a crime. They also pointed out that if she had been a young white girl she would likely not have been shot if she was doing the exact same thing.

Somehow police find ways to de-escalate or use nonfatal techniques to take people down when it's a white person, but if it's a black person suddenly lethal force becomes necessary, even when it's a young girl in foster care. I've had pts threaten me with knives and I somehow survived without shooting them. Not even joking. I still state I could never do a police officer's job and that it is one of the most difficult jobs I can imagine, but racism in policing cannot be denied. 

And there certainly are incidents where police fail to utilize non-lethal intervention or de-escalation even though it would appear appropriate, this wasn't one of those situations.

Had she simply been holding and/or threatening to use a deadly weapon then I might agree, but she was actively attacking people with a deadly weapon, not just threatening to do that, trying to de-escalate with reasoned discussion or even a taser is no longer appropriate at that point.

LibraNurse27, BSN, RN

Specializes in Community Health, Med/Surg, ICU Stepdown. Has 8 years experience.

3 hours ago, Workitinurfava said:

Defunding the police is a bad idea. 

I agree. Also their funding should be redistributed. Less money on military style equipment. More money on implicit bias training, de-escalation training, education about mental illness and the factors that lead to crime. It's scary that an 18 year old can become a cop right after high school with the only training being an 8 week academy. 18 year olds' brains are not fully developed, but they are given deadly weapons and not much training. 

There are incidents where young police officers kill a suspect and express regret, saying they were in a high pressure situation and didn't feel well prepared. I really feel for them, because the victim's life is over but the shooter's life is also destroyed. Even if they don't go to jail they have to live with what happened. It would be better for society and for police officers to fund the police as much as we can but change the way we allocate the funds. Right now I feel we are setting them up to fail, and its not fair to communities or to the officers themselves. Although I have a LOT of criticisms about the police, I do have compassion for those trying to do the job well under the current circumstances.