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Measles, Mumps, Rubella... Forgotten but NOT Gone

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by NotReady4PrimeTime NotReady4PrimeTime, RN (Moderator) Nurse

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There is no decision more personal than whether or not to immunize one's children. Information regarding the safety and effectiveness of today's vaccines is readily available but is overshadowed by opinion and hyperbole offered up by celebrities and others. In light of significant recent outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases all over North America, it's a good idea to explore the issues. You are reading page 6 of Measles, Mumps, Rubella... Forgotten but NOT Gone. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

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"EDMONTON - A fifth case of measles has been identified in an infant in the Edmonton area.The infant, less than 12 months of age, is too young to be immunized against measles, Alberta Health Services said Thursday morning.

The health agency says this case underscores the importance of immunization to protect vulnerable people.

“Quite simply, vulnerable individuals — such as infants too young to be immunized, or immuno-compromised Albertans who can’t be immunized — are dependent on the immunity of those around them,” said Dr. Gerry Predy, AHS Senior Medical Officer of Health, in a written statement."

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Measles case confirmed in Edmonton-area infant too young to be immunized

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Muser69 has 42 years experience and works as a Staff nurse.

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Our son was born in 1982 and his pediatrician was very much against some vaccinations. The school nurse was trying to give us problems but I told her to fight it out with the MD. The doc won.

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That's quite sad you think that way and FTR my child does have autism so no thankful I don't just have to think that way.

Quite sad? Yes, it is. It's unbelievably sad to have to go through life with fleeting thoughts like "what will happen to my helpless child when I'm gone" and "would everyone be better served if the unnatural order of things happened and I outlived my disabled child"? While surely a profoundly depressing thought process to have at times, it's a pragmatic way of thinking, not a glossed over, rosy outlook nor one of dread or resentment. I feel it's something that lies between "Welcome to Holland" and "Planet Autism", hence why I referenced them both. I'm honest with my feelings and emotions, no matter how fleeting, offensive, corny or positive they may be. I wish no harm to befall my child, nor do I want anything but the best for them, but at the same time I realize that this life isn't one that is best realized through their condition.

What's equally sad is the reason many special-needs parents encounter this feeling; the lack of skilled and empathetic individuals necessary to care for these individuals as they grow older. That is precisely the reason I have decided to enter nursing. I can think of no other population of individuals that are in need of an upgrade in the level of care and understanding required than that of special needs. Seriously, as both a parent and someone who takes care of patients, I am continually floored by the dearth of knowledge, understanding and caring demonstrated by those in the healthcare field, from doctors and administrators on down right through nursing (although nurses tend to "get it" a lot more). I don't know about you, but I am an open-book when discussing my kiddo as I feel it helps to spread awareness and education about individuals like her. And in doing so, I constantly encounter people who lack the training, experience or flatout wherewithal to take care of her. It's scary, don't you think?

Sorry that you have a child affected as well. I wish you nothing but the best and hope they have as good a life as possible. It's all we as parents can ever want and hope for.

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DosmoRN has 30 years experience and works as a retired R.N..

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I am probably older than many who comment here. But I was a child when polio was still rampant. A little boy I knew in our neighborhood died from polio. A playmate of mine was hospitalized with the disease and survived but with a life-long disability. There was no known vaccine. No one knew how to prevent it. The father of the boy who died was a highly respected physician! My mother would not let me swim in the community swimming pool or play with any child whose family she did not know. And she was just being cautious about something she feared but didn't understand. She wasn't an overprotective mother.

I remember the day the newspaper come with a big bold headline... POLIO VACCINE DISCOVERED. I literally danced with joy. I felt I had been set free.

In today's world, we forget that childhood diseases that are rare now, due to vaccination, still may have serious, life threatening or life altering consequences for a child who contracts the disease.

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Dr. F. R. Klenner and Vitamin C Read up on Dr Kenner, Treated~ 60 cases of polio, all successfully. Vitamin C, intramuscular or IV.

I am probably older than many who comment here. But I was a child when polio was still rampant. A little boy I knew in our neighborhood died from polio. A playmate of mine was hospitalized with the disease and survived but with a life-long disability. There was no known vaccine. No one knew how to prevent it. The father of the boy who died was a highly respected physician! My mother would not let me swim in the community swimming pool or play with any child whose family she did not know. And she was just being cautious about something she feared but didn't understand. She wasn't an overprotective mother.

I remember the day the newspaper come with a big bold headline... POLIO VACCINE DISCOVERED. I literally danced with joy. I felt I had been set free.

In today's world, we forget that childhood diseases that are rare now, due to vaccination, still may have serious, life threatening or life altering consequences for a child who contracts the disease.

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Dr. F. R. Klenner and Vitamin C Read up on Dr Kenner, Treated~ 60 cases of polio, all successfully. Vitamin C, intramuscular or IV.

A very interesting article. I have often wondered how much suffering continues because those 'higher up' don't want to listen to the lower ones or try something very different.

When I got Bell's Palsy, I talked with my doctor about causes and treatments. I asked him for an antiviral and antibiotic medication to try. He agreed and ordered Acyclovir and a general ABT like Amoxicillin or Cipro. I went home and took 2 of each then started them as ordered. I went back to him in ONE WEEK to show him the palsy was gone. He was amazed.

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NicuGal has 30 years experience and works as a once a manager, now a staff nurse, preceptor, educ.

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We have had 21 cases of measles and one case of diphtheria in our area in the last month. All traveled out of the country.

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NotReady4PrimeTime is a RN and works as a RN, CNCCP(C).

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The province is now formally calling our measles cases an outbreak. Vaccine will be made available for all children older than 6 months in order to protect them in the short term. They'll still need the usual 2 shot regimen.

Here's another tool from Australia for decision-making: MMR Decision Aid - Comparing the risks - Measles - NCIRS - National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance

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Dr. F. R. Klenner and Vitamin C Read up on Dr Kenner, Treated~ 60 cases of polio, all successfully. Vitamin C, intramuscular or IV.

I remember this study in one of my biology classes. However, this study has yet to be duplicated in large clinical trials and isn't well received in the medical community. I wish I still had the links effectively critiquing that study.

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coughdrop.2.go has 3 years experience and works as a Public Health Nurse.

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As a school nurse I really appreciate this article! Luckily we don't have that many vaccine exemptions in my county. I find the whole anti-vaccine argument a bit amusing. There's all this "research" by parents and yet they take the word of some books or "articles" over medical professionals who have spent years learning about the human body. Yes autism rates are on the rise, but people fail to understand that our understanding of autism has changed over the years as well. More children are being identified as autistic and receiving the proper treatment instead of the olden days when they will just label that kid as the "strange kid down the block" or what have you. Same for ADHD. My mom got diagnosed with ADHD in her 30's. Back them people would think of my mom as just a Chatty Kathy and not have a medical condition. I get that not all of the anti-vaxers believe in the autism link, but unless you come at me with a double-blind study from a legitimate peer-reviewed journal please try again.

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Spidey's mom works as a RN.

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most of the improvement is not medicine/pharmaceutical based, but public health/hygiene. and we have a weaker gene pool now, than we did 100 years ago, d/t the survival of the less than fit....just because we can, doesn't mean we should.

Actually, just the opposite. Cleaning ourselves up increased disease.

Rx for Survival . Deadly Diseases . Polio | PBS

It's a paradox of public health that being too clean can sometimes lead to disease. For centuries, infants were routinely exposed to the poliovirus in their unsanitary living conditions. Polio rarely causes paralysis in infants, partly because of the maternal antibodies still present in their systems. In the 1900s, many countries cleaned up their water and sanitation systems, and houses in more affluent communities were routinely cleaned, reducing exposure to microbes. By the 1930s, '40s, and '50s, new mothers, especially those in the middle class, had no antibodies in their immune systems to pass on to their children. When children were exposed to the poliovirus in later years, they were defenseless against the disease.

http://vaccinateyourchildren.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/graph-polio-mort_1926-2004.jpg

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Dr. F. R. Klenner and Vitamin C Read up on Dr Kenner, Treated~ 60 cases of polio, all successfully. Vitamin C, intramuscular or IV.

Ah, you may subscribe to Natural News? That's considered a crank website full of quackery and psuedoscience by many (including me).

This man's work was not well received and no large clinical trials were ever done. I've done some searching online and can find no support for him except in the Natural News type of folks.

The idea that Vitamin C cures so many diseases is looked upon with skepticism. I just spent a happy hour reading up on all the supposed ways Vit C cures everything and then how it can actually hurt. This includes reading up on Linus Pauling.

Edited by Spidey's mom

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