Male RN gets to pay more?

[churro]

HI

Does Male RN gets to pay more? since there is not much male nurse around in state.. ? Im currently going for RNS degree, I can speak Chinese , spanish , english... . would I get pay more because I can speak more languages? and whats the rate for RN? I stil have one more year to go!!!!!

thanks!!!

[queenjean]

And let's look at the effects of some of our lifestyle choices.

The first time round, in college I decided to get a degree that has ZERO job potential. DH decided to get a degree that does, though certainly not high (teacher). When Dh graduated, I became pregnant. When the wee one was little, I finished my nursing prerequisites; then became pregnant with our second. Postponed school until the second was older. In the meantime Dh finished his masters, bumping him up higher on the wage scale.

Went back to school, enrolled in a bilevel ADN program, meaning first year is LPN, second year is RN. After one year of full time work, school, and parenting, I made the decision to not continue on to the RN portion.

Now that my kids are older, I'm finishing the RN portion, scheduled to graduate next semester. THIRTEEN YEARS after I started nursing school. Any fellow who started nursing school 13 years ago will be making a lot more than me next year, as he will have 13 years of experience, and I will be fairly new (to the RN role, anyhow).

The fact of the matter is that women give birth in our species, and a lot of us choose to stay home, take part time jobs, or postpone our careers to raise our kids. This results in us receiving lower salaries.

DH makes more than most of the women of his age in his department, and it is because he was working full time and getting his masters, while they were either taking a couple of years off or working part time, having babies and raising their families. Now he has more years of education and experience than they do.

While I am NOT excusing any bias that occurs with hiring, wages, and promotions, I am merely pointing out that there are many factors that lead to women earning less than men, and discrimination isn't always at the root of the discrepancy.

[RunnerRN, BSN, RN]

And let's look at the effects of some of our lifestyle choices.

The first time round, in college I decided to get a degree that has ZERO job potential. DH decided to get a degree that does, though certainly not high (teacher). When Dh graduated, I became pregnant. When the wee one was little, I finished my nursing prerequisites; then became pregnant with our second. Postponed school until the second was older. In the meantime Dh finished his masters, bumping him up higher on the wage scale.

Went back to school, enrolled in a bilevel ADN program, meaning first year is LPN, second year is RN. After one year of full time work, school, and parenting, I made the decision to not continue on to the RN portion.

Now that my kids are older, I'm finishing the RN portion, scheduled to graduate next semester. THIRTEEN YEARS after I started nursing school. Any fellow who started nursing school 13 years ago will be making a lot more than me next year, as he will have 13 years of experience, and I will be fairly new (to the RN role, anyhow).

The fact of the matter is that women give birth in our species, and a lot of us choose to stay home, take part time jobs, or postpone our careers to raise our kids. This results in us receiving lower salaries.

DH makes more than most of the women of his age in his department, and it is because he was working full time and getting his masters, while they were either taking a couple of years off or working part time, having babies and raising their families. Now he has more years of education and experience than they do.

While I am NOT excusing any bias that occurs with hiring, wages, and promotions, I am merely pointing out that there are many factors that lead to women earning less than men, and discrimination isn't always at the root of the discrepancy.

Well said! Thank you!

[RNperdiem, RN]

If a man has a per diem job it is usually in addition to his regular full time job. The per diem job pays a higher rate and the full time job has the benefits. If a man is earning more, he is probably working more. Women with children generally do not work lots of overtime. I once worked with a guy who worked 5 12 hour shifts a week every week.

[OB Night Nurse]

About the language - I live in TX and my hospital DOES pay an hourly differential for languages spoken other than English. Of course, Spanish is the preferred secondary language but I believe they pay extra for any second language. It's not much - I think around $1 or $1.50/hour more.

About more pay based on gender - as someone already said it is illegal for an employer to directly pay more per hour based strictly on sex. I'm not saying it never happens but if it does happen and the employer is caught they could be sued for gender discrimination. Your rate of pay should be dependent on experience and ability, not your gender.

[Hellllllo Nurse, BSN, RN]

Men earn more for the same job, same education. Period.

Read the AAUW Education Foundation’s Behind the Pay Gap research.

Just one year after college graduation, women earn only 80 percent of what their male counterparts earn. Ten years after graduation, women fall further behind, earning only 69 percent of what men earn. Even after controlling for hours, occupation, parenthood, and other factors known to affect earnings, the research indicates that one-quarter of the pay gap remains unexplained and is likely due to sex discrimination. Over time, the unexplained portion of the pay gap grows.

http://www.aauw.org/issue_advocacy/actionpages/payequity.cfm

There are exceptions, however..

39 jobs where women make more than men

http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/28/commentary/everyday/sahadi_paytable/index.htm

[Hellllllo Nurse, BSN, RN]

The OP's native language does not appear to be english. Perhaps wherever the OP is from, males would be paid more than females.

He could be from the US, then.

It's long been known that men generally earn wore than women for the same job. And no, it's not because women may take time off for babies. This and other factors have been accounted for in the studies.

http://gstudies.asp.radford.edu/sources/wage_gaps/worldwide.htm

"In 1997, the U.S. Department of Labor documented a 24 percent pay deficit when comparing female to male weekly earnings in similar positions."

Table 1: NAFE 2004 Salary Survey Selected Titles

Position/Industry

Female

Male

Accountants

$85,375

$119,314

Accountants (1-5 years experience)

$72,534

$94,314

Advertising Account Executive

$49,000

$56,000

Allergists or Immunologists

$190,983

$254,289

CEO, Health Care

$152,673

$195,783

Lawyer

$73,476

$84,188

Government/Lobbying, Nonprofit

$73,907

$96,655

Managing Editor

$55,983

$62,574

Neurological Surgeons

$337,031

$487,000

Reference Librarian, 0-5 years experience

$38,399

$39,958

Retail Store Sales

$19,864

$31,148

Teachers

$42,848

$46,956

Web infrastructure

$69,850

$87,750

Average Full Time Employee

$97,071

$127,379

Note. Salaries vary by industry and include medians, total compensation, average base, average total including salary and bonus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male-female_income_disparity_in_the_United_States

[anc33]

Men earn more for the same job, same education. Period.

Read the AAUW Education Foundation's Behind the Pay Gap research.

Just one year after college graduation, women earn only 80 percent of what their male counterparts earn. Ten years after graduation, women fall further behind, earning only 69 percent of what men earn. Even after controlling for hours, occupation, parenthood, and other factors known to affect earnings, the research indicates that one-quarter of the pay gap remains unexplained and is likely due to sex discrimination. Over time, the unexplained portion of the pay gap grows.

http://www.aauw.org/issue_advocacy/actionpages/payequity.cfm

There are exceptions, however..

39 jobs where women make more than men

http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/28/commentary/everyday/sahadi_paytable/index.htm

Thank you for a better link. This is what I was trying to say earlier. All things having been controlled for, men still end up earning more. I believe that this is even more likely to happen in nursing where men are still seen as a rare commodity.

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

Someone once pointed out to me that the reason men (on average) make more than women in nursing is because men (in average) find themselves in high-skill/risk (CCU/ICU etc.) and managerial areas.

Don't know how far this is valid/true...

cheers,

I think this is true. Also CRNA's are 50% male and they make six figures which throw off the male nurse salary figures when you look at male nurses as a whole.

The op is talking about entry level positions and I'm unaware that new grads males have a higher salary. The demand is for nurses in general, not just males.

[RN4NICU, LPN, LVN]

He could be from the US, then.

It's long been known that men generally earn wore than women for the same job. And no, it's not because women may take time off for babies. This and other factors have been accounted for in the studies.

Yeah, I get that, but it is not as common in nursing (the OP did ask about nursing) - at least not anywhere I have worked. Every place I have worked as a nurse, there is a uniform salary table that is based on a clinical ladder, years of experience, or something similar. There are criteria for advancing through the pay scale (more education, more certifications, etc). Men and women are paid the same unless men are more likely to do what it takes to advance through the pay scale (which would be pretty accurate from what I've seen). In other careers, salaries are based on what you can negotiate for yourself. I have seen little room for salary negotiation for staff nurse positions. Maybe it is different where you work.

[Roy Fokker, BSN, RN]

Maybe it is different where you work.

I did ask the question around my unit.

Apparently I started out making the same as the "newbie graduate" nurse who started out last year. She's female, I'm male (Of course, now that she is "a year older" than I am, she gets a raise too. I still have to sweat it out )

A truckload and half of the females on my floor make TONS (and I really do mean TONS!) more than either one of us do! 'course, they've been on the floor at the very least 5 years more than either one of us have...

cheers,

Roy

[baldee]

An interesting subject that effects all.

The 'old school' male dominated society would favor men's salaries.

Not exactly like modelling, but Nursing is dominated by women so the men DO have to look out for being lunch meat by bait-and-switch, etc... including using their '***'ets to divert your attention. This is ridiculous and insults your integrity, BUT its 'their' dominated industry. So those are the rules of the game (for now), and get used to it. You will learn to contain those hard-ons when it starts effecting your long term pocket book: I certainly have, to some extent any way.

A third and 'new' trend which complicates the situtation further, is even in the 'old school' train of thought, women were often preferred to men for positions they were underqualified for. WHY? Well they 'started out' making less money, and they were more pleasant to work around internally and customer wise. So many successful women were aided by this (not exclusive) factor. This may also be a factor which may help men into nursing positions dominated by many women. But if your first meeting in orientation has the director of nursing in a low cut cleavage dress, LOOK OUT: don't become lunch meat. Be aware and use your skills in a professional manner.

Generally women are more pleasant and women RN's are absolutely wonderful. But absolute power corrupts, so one should always be aware and act accordingly. I think it is a good atmosphere for men to get opportunites easier, but will have to fight for equitable advancement in a diligent manner.

[Agnus]

Someone once pointed out to me that the reason men (on average) make more than women in nursing is because men (in average) find themselves in high-skill/risk (CCU/ICU etc.) and managerial areas.

Don't know how far this is valid/true...

cheers,

I suspect you are correct. Also we have some valid research out there that suggest men are more likely to negotiate for higher pay. And interestingly men are more apt to get higher pay if they negotiate than a woman who negotiates.