Male Nurse Insert a Foley

studently42 · Jul 2, 2008

Personally, I think someone's trolling here.

I think you are right. I don't see how anyone who is a nursing student or nurse could possibly compare the insertion of a Foley catheter to rape. It's just bizarre to me that this subject was raised. As a student , my main focus has been maintaining the sterile field and completing the procedure in a timely manner. I would like to thank the women who responded on our behalf. I would just like to know if the OP is a nurse or not. It's highly unlikely...

mingez · Jul 2, 2008

Well, I actually read past posts by the OP. All the others seem pretty legit, and non-trolling.

So, to the OP, sorry if I made an assumption. It's just such an outlandish question to me, and perhaps it's because of our cultural differences.

I hope you can adjust your thinking and opinions toward this procedure, because to medical professionals in the states, insertion of a Foley is simply seen as a medical procedure and an unfortunate necessity.

Also, just so you know, your comparison of a Foley insertion to the word "rape" may anger some folks. The word "rape" has some very strong meanings in our culture and it's use is not to be thrown around lightly. I'm hoping it's simply a matter of cultural differences/misunderstandings as I believe I read that you are from Jamaica.

Good luck in your endeavors!

MassED, BSN, RN · Jul 2, 2008

Well, I actually read past posts by the OP. All the others seem pretty legit, and non-trolling.
So, to the OP, sorry if I made an assumption. It's just such an outlandish question to me, and perhaps it's because of our cultural differences.
I hope you can adjust your thinking and opinions toward this procedure, because to medical professionals in the states, insertion of a Foley is simply seen as a medical procedure and an unfortunate necessity.
Also, just so you know, your comparison of a Foley insertion to the word "rape" may anger some folks. The word "rape" has some very strong meanings in our culture and it's use is not to be thrown around lightly. I'm hoping it's simply a matter of cultural differences/misunderstandings as I believe I read that you are from Jamaica.
Good luck in your endeavors!

do you know something about the OP that we don't? Like that she's not from the U.S? I don't see that in her public profile...... and btw, even if you're from another country, rape is rape and one should know the difference between a medically necessary intervention and physical assault.

4x4country · Jul 2, 2008

i think what mingez was refering to was previous posts that the op had posted. i think mingez was refering to her previous quote , "

re: i was slapped by a doctor!

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wow, you must a be sweet person because i'm sweet too, but if you put your crusty hands on me, i might just have to drop kick him. i'm jamaican! and nobody i mean nobody should put their hands on you! you better report this man to the police. he's been allowed to get away with way too much. " posted by the stepcmpb

and from reading other posts i believe she is a nursing student, "

re: externship: early split!

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three major hospitals just closed in nj, which makes new nursing positions competitive. i would love to work at the hospital where i work after graduation, but i still have to keep an open mind. thanks. " posted by the stepcmpb

so maybe she is jamaican but lives in nj? stepcmbp lets hear from you.

Asklepios · Jul 3, 2008

I think the OP said the pt was unconscious when the foley was inserted. I haven't done a foley yet, but I hope the first few pts I have to put one in are unconscious! Seriously, it's the only thing I've learned in school so far that I dread having to do.

I work as a nrsg asst., and a nurse had to put a foley in an elderly man. She asked me to come in with her. The man was retaining a lot of urine and wanted relief, but the cath insertion was awful for him. I grabbed his hand while the nurse inserted it, and I thought he was going to break my fingers, and he howled in pain.

BTW - I've answered some call lights where a woman needs to use a bedpan, and when I started putting gloves on and getting the pan, they look at me confused and say stuff like "Aren't you going to tell my nurse?" or "Are you going to do it?" I can tell they are uncomfortable and I explain it's part of my job to do these tasks for the nurses. Sometimes this works, but if I sense they are still uncomfortable, I will find a female aide or nurse. Many nurses will get upset that I am bothering them, but the pt's feelings come before that of the nurse who feels annoyed.

MassED, BSN, RN · Jul 3, 2008

I think the OP said the pt was unconscious when the foley was inserted. I haven't done a foley yet, but I hope the first few pts I have to put one in are unconscious! Seriously, it's the only thing I've learned in school so far that I dread having to do.
I work as a nrsg asst., and a nurse had to put a foley in an elderly man. She asked me to come in with her. The man was retaining a lot of urine and wanted relief, but the cath insertion was awful for him. I grabbed his hand while the nurse inserted it, and I thought he was going to break my fingers, and he howled in pain.
BTW - I've answered some call lights where a woman needs to use a bedpan, and when I started putting gloves on and getting the pan, they look at me confused and say stuff like "Aren't you going to tell my nurse?" or "Are you going to do it?" I can tell they are uncomfortable and I explain it's part of my job to do these tasks for the nurses. Sometimes this works, but if I sense they are still uncomfortable, I will find a female aide or nurse. Many nurses will get upset that I am bothering them, but the pt's feelings come before that of the nurse who feels annoyed.

so I take it you're male... well if they would rather a female aide or nurse to put them on a bedpan, just tell the nurse or aide that is the patient's request.

cjcsoon2bnp, MSN, RN, NP · Jul 3, 2008

I think the OP said the pt was unconscious when the foley was inserted. I haven't done a foley yet, but I hope the first few pts I have to put one in are unconscious! Seriously, it's the only thing I've learned in school so far that I dread having to do.
I work as a nrsg asst., and a nurse had to put a foley in an elderly man. She asked me to come in with her. The man was retaining a lot of urine and wanted relief, but the cath insertion was awful for him. I grabbed his hand while the nurse inserted it, and I thought he was going to break my fingers, and he howled in pain.
BTW - I've answered some call lights where a woman needs to use a bedpan, and when I started putting gloves on and getting the pan, they look at me confused and say stuff like "Aren't you going to tell my nurse?" or "Are you going to do it?" I can tell they are uncomfortable and I explain it's part of my job to do these tasks for the nurses. Sometimes this works, but if I sense they are still uncomfortable, I will find a female aide or nurse. Many nurses will get upset that I am bothering them, but the pt's feelings come before that of the nurse who feels annoyed.

I can understand that. You are doing the right thing though, the patients comfort is way more important then some ****** off nurses because they don't want to help your patients. If you force an issue where a patient is clearly uncomfortable there can be a real problem and you would be the one suffering for it. Good job for standing up for yourself and your patients!

!Chris :specs:

CoffeeRTC, BSN, RN · Jul 3, 2008

When I was pregnant with #3 and 4 I developed retention and needed to straight cath myself (whole other thread, lol) Doc said no to the foley. I would have killed for a nurse, any nurse..male or female to cath me.

mcknis · Jul 7, 2008

I guess I have never really thought about this feeling that some may have. I have worked with some pts who feel this way, but just see this as a medical intervention that must be done. I know we try to accomodate if possible, but it doesn't always fall in place.

leemacaz · Jul 7, 2008

Out of curiosity, what do you do if a patient refuses a foley? I am sure few if anyone really wants one....I know that there are times one is considered necessary...What do you do if a patient only wants one sex or another to insert the folley.

mingez · Jul 7, 2008

do you know something about the OP that we don't? Like that she's not from the U.S? I don't see that in her public profile......

Yes, i saw another post by the OP and she mentioned that she's from Jamaica.

and btw, even if you're from another country, rape is rape and one should know the difference between a medically necessary intervention and physical assault.

So not true.

"Rape" and how frivolously it's thrown around is NOT used in everyday vernacular the same in every culture. So in essence, "rape" is not "rape" everywhere. To say that it is, is very ethnocentric.

People in other countries may use the term to encompass many things, or even use it as a form of exaggeration or as poetic license. Some have stronger feelings about the word than do we, some less.

Many cultures don't even believe that rape (or its' concept) even exists. Many of those cultures don't have an equivalent in their language for the word.

Some think merely touching someone on the shoulder is a form of "rape". Heck, even in the US, it wasn't too long ago (Pre-1970's) that a husband could NOT technically rape his wife. The only rape that could be prosecuted was that which was perpetrated by a stranger. So even OUR culture (in the US) has changed it's perception of the word.

So, to say that everyone in the world has the same ideas, opinions, and concept about what the word means is, in my opinion, irresponsible.

Here are some examples of articles showing differences in cultural ideology concerning rape.

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2008/06/aborigines_dont.php

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/sers/2005/00000052/F0020005/00002680;jsessionid=1el8i469t8czv.alexandra

Here's a real good one: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2294/is_5-6_52/ai_n15344789

Sexual assault is a common concern in most societies (Rozee, 1993). Heise, Ellsberg, and Gottemoeller (1999) reported that almost every society in the world has social institutions that legitimize, veil, and reject the existence of gendered abuse. Rape and other forms of violence against women may be the most prevalent yet least recognized human rights issues in the world today.

Kim O'Therapy, BSN, RN · Jul 10, 2008

Last week I helped a male nurse insert a Foley catheter and it felt inappropriate for a man to do it. It almost felt like rape. Am I justified for feeling this way?

Would you feel like it was "rape" if a female nurse inserted a Foley into a man? Just curious. :confused: