So, I have been accepted into TCU's nursing program and into El centro college of nursing in Dallas tx. I am having a hard time deciding which route will be better for me. TCU has been the school of my choice since day 1, i believe that it is a very competitive school and i was accepted as a transfer student ( which is really hard to get in nowadays since they first take their own students). I will earn a BSN with them and it will open me a lot of other doors. What i am not really looking for is the high private tuition they carry ( 14,000 per semester) i really have my heart in to this school, but im scared of the debt. On the other side i also got into el centro's program which leads to a ADN and its much cheaper. I've been doing some research that will give me strong conclusions and will help me decide which way to go, since I don't have that much time and i came across a lot of articles stating how many hospitals where switching to a magnet status, where they no longer hire new ADN, this makes me wonder if really there is such a shortage of nurses how is it that they are switching to this new reform, i mean if the shortage is real, they would hire an ADN without experience and train them their way. This leads me to think.. How real is this information? will ADN nurses really have a tough time finding a job, and if so, should that make an impact in my college decision, because i don't want to have to spend 4 semester and be unemployed for a while , while i go back for my BSN, while in TCU in 5 semesters i can graduate with my BSN and have absolutely no problem. Tough decision, please help me with your suggestions and opinions! it is greatly appreciated!!!
tproph00- nowhere in that article does it say there's a nursing shortage, it says there is a nursing shortage LOOMING, which is expected to peak in 2025, so right now..no shortage. in 2009 44% of new grads couldn't find a job, and those stats are even worse today. Yes in a few years when all the baby boomers retire, I'm sure there will be major issues. and your article says there is a tough job market and under-staffing issues right now, which is true. having an article that predicts a shortage in the future doesn't mean there is one right now. look i can google an article just like you.
Akeos: It states that the need for RN's is to grow between 2008 and 2018 it's almost 2012 so therefore it's grown... And by the way the article you referred me to just stated the same fact I stated in my post earlier about how if Nurses would look into Nursing homes and Home health care positions that they would PROBABLY find a job. And it also states in the article that new grads are getting nursing jobs just not their 1st or 2nd choice jobs. A job is a job.
Akeos: It states that the need for RN's is to grow between 2008 and 2018 it's almost 2012 so therefore it's grown... And by the way the article you referred me to just stated the same fact I stated in my post earlier about how if Nurses would look into Nursing homes and Home health care positions that they would PROBABLY find a job. And it also states in the article that new grads are getting nursing jobs just not their 1st or 2nd choice jobs. A job is a job.
I suggest you trot on over to the new grad forum and tell them all that if they stop being "picky " they "probably " could get a job.
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The majority of hospitals in my area are either magnet focused, or on the path to becoming a magnet hospital. So, new grads out here need not apply if they don't have a BSN.
*** What does Magnet have to do with those hospitals only wanting to hire BSNs?
*** So how much have nurses wages gone up in those BSN only hospitals as compaired to the systems that continue to hire ADNs?
Well, at a hospital that only hires BSNs, ADNs can expect to make $0 there. The going rate in the city for a new grad is in the $27ish an hour range, so that's significantly more than nothing.
Seriously though, I have no idea. It's largely a city vs suburbs divide, with most of the BSN only hospitals in the city and most of the hospital that don't require a BSN in the suburbs, and the city wages are generally higher. I know the hospital in the area with the highest wages is a unionized facility that does not require BSNs, and that in general, the big teaching hospitals are competitive with each other (there are two major hospitals where the joke is that part of your salary is the honor of working there, since their rates lag a bit, off the top of my head I don't remember if they hire ADNs or not but I *think* at least one of them does).
I'm sure if you actually cared you could find out, but you're just making an argument in the form of a question. The post you quoted was a reply to a poster who is insisting that hospitals that say they only hire BSNs can't *not* hire ADN nurses since we all pass the same NCLEX. I'm pretty sure you don't disagree with the fact that there are hospitals in existence that do not hire nurses without BSNs.
My local market was one of the big deciding factors in my choosing the BSN route over the ADN route: the area is flooded with new grads, we have fancy big name hospitals that attract experienced nurses pretty easily, and several of the local systems simply don't look at ADNs. When the concern was finding a job after graduation, not whether I'd be making $X more here or there, I picked the degree that would give me more options to sign up for whatever the heck they want to pay new grads. It's a bit ironic that I ended up at one of the hospitals that will hire ADN nurses, but hey, I've already got the BSN for clinical ladder advancement, got an excellent education, and the connections I made while in school were invaluable in getting my first job.
That's what making a degree decision comes down to for me: a market decision. If one lives in an area where jobs are scarce and employers prefer a certain degree or graduates from a certain program, if one plans to stay in the area, that should factor heavily into one's decision. It's the sole reason I encourage prospective nursing students in my area toward BSN programs, and in threads where I'm unfamiliar with the poster's local market, I encourage them to find out what local employers want and weigh their options accordingly.
People say that magnet status basically means if you dont have a BSN degree don't bother applying at a Magnet Status Hospital. But how come I just went to several different Magnet Status Hospital web sites and looked at what they say it means to be Magnet Status, as well as looked at their job qualifications for an RN it did not once say on any of these Hospital's web sites that if you didnt have a BSN degree than you couldnt work for them. Their job qualifications don't even say BSN preferred. Nor did it say anything about if you had an ADN degree you would be required to get a BSN degree continue working there....
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That has not been my experience at all. Both of the Magnet facilities I've worked for have treated their employees well, and really do a lot to encourage continuing education.
Yeah, mine too.
It's interesting how the claim of magnet's being bad places to work is never backed up with facts.
And, totally illogical. If it was a bad place to work, the best nurses would leave, only the dregs would remain, and then they wouldn't be able to earn recertification.
People say that magnet status basically means if you dont have a BSN degree don't bother applying at a Magnet Status Hospital. But how come I just went to several different Magnet Status Hospital web sites and looked at what they say it means to be Magnet Status, as well as looked at their job qualifications for an RN it did not once say on any of these Hospital's web sites that if you didnt have a BSN degree than you couldnt work for them. Their job qualifications don't even say BSN preferred. Nor did it say anything about if you had an ADN degree you would be required to get a BSN degree continue working there....
Nobody said thats what magnet hospitals mean, "The Magnet Recognition Program® recognizes healthcare organizations for quality patient care, nursing excellence and innovations in professional nursing practice. Consumers rely on Magnet designation as the ultimate credential for high quality nursing. Developed by the American Nurses Credentialing Center (ANCC), Magnet is the leading source of successful nursing practices and strategies worldwide." http://www.nursecredentialing.org/Magnet.aspx .
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i'm sure if you actually cared you could find out,
*** i could if i knew what city you are talking about but i don't.
but you're just making an argument in the form of a question.
*** one of the common arguments in favor of bsn as the minimum point of entry for rns is that it will raise wages for nurses. this sounds absurd to me. the evidence is that bsn only hospital do not, as far as i can tell, pay more than hospitals that hire nurses with a variety of educational backgrounds.
the post you quoted was a reply to a poster who is insisting that hospitals that say they only hire bsns can't *not* hire adn nurses since we all pass the same nclex.
*** ya, that was silly.
my local market was one of the big deciding factors in my choosing the bsn route over the adn route: the area is flooded with new grads, we have fancy big name hospitals that attract experienced nurses pretty easily, and several of the local systems simply don't look at adns. when the concern was finding a job after graduation, not whether i'd be making $x more here or there, i picked the degree that would give me more options to sign up for whatever the heck they want to pay new grads. it's a bit ironic that i ended up at one of the hospitals that will hire adn nurses, but hey, i've already got the bsn for clinical ladder advancement, got an excellent education, and the connections i made while in school were invaluable in getting my first job.
that's what making a degree decision comes down to for me: a market decision.
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Nobody said thats what magnet hospitals mean, "The Magnet Recognition Program® recognizes healthcare organizations for quality patient care, nursing excellence and innovations in professional nursing practice.
*** Ya that _OR_ the ability to appear so during the journey to Magnet. I have worked at two hospital during their journey to Magnet. I remember institutions such as the nurse practice council being immediately suspended withing weeks of achieving Magnet certification, only to be reactivated 4 years later during re-certification. I remember meetings were our (staff nurses) were told exactly what to say to surveyors with vague threats of what would happen if any of us deviated from the party line. I remember special staffing on survey days. When typically we would have 7-10 travelers out of the 15 or so nurses each shift in our unit, on survey days we would have all regular staff, many on overtime.
Magnet is hugly expensive. One wonders where a hospital that has wage freezes several years in a row gets the money to spend on Magnet,
Yes this. I experienced this in student clinical sitting in group report in ICU. All were given index cards and grilled on their answers for Magnet. All the stupid little mini poster sessions hanging up and around the room, reminded me of girl scout projects hung up for parent's night, LOL. Staffing went up, and then they all disappeared the next week... somewhere into the ether.
I just find it funny that some are so into all this crap. I guess if it has been successful in making you feel like a professional or something. Well then, I guess you need it, like the song goes, "what ever gets you throught the night, it's all right, it's all right"
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tproph00- nowhere in that article does it say there's a nursing shortage, it says there is a nursing shortage LOOMING, which is expected to peak in 2025, so right now..no shortage. in 2009 44% of new grads couldn't find a job, and those stats are even worse today. Yes in a few years when all the baby boomers retire, I'm sure there will be major issues. and your article says there is a tough job market and under-staffing issues right now, which is true. having an article that predicts a shortage in the future doesn't mean there is one right now. look i can google an article just like you.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-07-09-1Anurses09_ST_N.htm