So, I have been accepted into TCU's nursing program and into El centro college of nursing in Dallas tx. I am having a hard time deciding which route will be better for me. TCU has been the school of my choice since day 1, i believe that it is a very competitive school and i was accepted as a transfer student ( which is really hard to get in nowadays since they first take their own students). I will earn a BSN with them and it will open me a lot of other doors. What i am not really looking for is the high private tuition they carry ( 14,000 per semester) i really have my heart in to this school, but im scared of the debt. On the other side i also got into el centro's program which leads to a ADN and its much cheaper. I've been doing some research that will give me strong conclusions and will help me decide which way to go, since I don't have that much time and i came across a lot of articles stating how many hospitals where switching to a magnet status, where they no longer hire new ADN, this makes me wonder if really there is such a shortage of nurses how is it that they are switching to this new reform, i mean if the shortage is real, they would hire an ADN without experience and train them their way. This leads me to think.. How real is this information? will ADN nurses really have a tough time finding a job, and if so, should that make an impact in my college decision, because i don't want to have to spend 4 semester and be unemployed for a while , while i go back for my BSN, while in TCU in 5 semesters i can graduate with my BSN and have absolutely no problem. Tough decision, please help me with your suggestions and opinions! it is greatly appreciated!!!
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I think they have. Our hospital's Magnet director went to an international Magnet conference in September and that was what they were told. Magnet facilities must have a plan in place by 2013 on how they will implement the 2020 mandate.
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I think they have. Our hospital's Magnet director went to an international Magnet conference and that was what they were told. Magnet facilities must have a plan in place by 2013 on how they will implement the 2020 mandate.
*** Eventually this ridiculous and VERY expensive Magnet fad will fade. The public knows nothing about it and nursing are learning that Magnet hospitals are less desirable places to work.
People ask me what Magnet means, and I tell them that it is a marketing scam to get you to go to that hospital over the guy next door. I've told many, many people, that, and other news they can use encouraging all to tell two friends, etc. Nothing better than educating the public. Especially that all that fluffy stuff eg hotel like stuff is what makes it so expensive for them to be inpatient. Best find a hospital somewhere mid-range that has good outcomes and good docs and knows that fluff is not what you need to keep you from being dead.
Specializes in Nurse Leader specializing in Labor & Delivery.
The public knows nothing about it and nursing are learning that Magnet hospitals are less desirable places to work.
That has not been my experience at all. Both of the Magnet facilities I've worked for have treated their employees well, and really do a lot to encourage continuing education.
to akeos: yes there is a nursing shortage. especially in the area i live in. and on top of that the shortage is expected to increase by 2015 and future years. do some research. there just isnt enough people graduating each year to keep up with the demand of rn's.
every area is different, but there are areas that are not experiencing a nursing shortage. there are 8 nursing schools in the small county i live in that are pumping out new grads every year...so there are more than enough people graduating to fill the "demand" in this area. i got a new grad position at a magnet hospital (and i am an adn grad)...but i am relocating 5 and a half hours away for it! i went to a local job fair for healthcare professionals, and every hospital told us they were not hiring new grads, or that their new grad programs were filled until 2012.. and that when they opened them up again they would be giving preference to bsn new grads. one rep. told us that there would be a "real" shortage in 2014, and that the previously projected "shortage" was stalled due to the failing economy, which caused more nurses to continue working rather than retiring (as it was predicted). so maybe there is a shortage where you are, but it doesn't mean there is one everywhere else...please consider that before you start commanding others to "do some research". actually, i implore you to do some research, and stop making assumptions. we are not stupid. we don't need to be lectured on what to do in order to land a job..because many of us are doing all the right things and still not getting our first jobs because of our location. your comments are very disrespectful to all the new grads out there that are willing to do whatever it takes to work anywhere to start their nursing careers. i know because i am watching as my friends from nursing school are devastated at their current (jobless) situations, and many of them do not have the option of being able to relocate. so please, think before making these self-righteous and smug comments...they will only land you trouble in the nursing world.
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that has not been my experience at all. both of the magnet facilities i've worked for have treated their employees well, and really do a lot to encourage continuing education.
*** my observation is that those hospital that are nice places to work continue to be so after magnet. those that are not continue to be after magnet as well. i think some hospitals try to use magnet as a cover up or crutch. "see! we aren't such a bad place to work or we wouldn't have gotten magnet".
That has not been my experience at all. Both of the Magnet facilities I've worked for have treated their employees well, and really do a lot to encourage continuing education.
Agreed. I live in a magnet-heavy area and haven't picked up on magnet facilities being bad places to work. Only time I hear that is on AN. Within the hospitals that are magnet, some have reputations for being better or worse to work for, but I haven't heard of nurses avoiding a local hospital solely because it's a magnet hospital.
My hospital is magnet designated and I am on a few committees and appreciate the opportunity to be involved in the areas I'm interested in. I feel like there's investment in developing my skills not just in patient care but in education and leadership and research as well.
The majority of hospitals in my area are either magnet focused, or on the path to becoming a magnet hospital. So, new grads out here need not apply if they don't have a BSN. I feel as though the nursing students graduating with an ADN are getting painted into a corner --LTAC or SNFs only. I live in Cali, -San Diego specifically--so other areas may be more ADN friendly.
here just a quote: what will the job market look like in 10 years?
the need for both rns and lpns is expected to grow like never before--by 21 to 22 percent between 2008 and 2018. what is particularly interesting is that these jobs will be in various fields, not just in long-term care and geriatrics. as medical procedures advance, nurses are needed to care for patients who are recovering from previously fatal diseases and conditions.
--if people would look into nursing homes and home health care and other fields, not just hospitals, then alot of people might be able to get jobs. i'm not saying your wrong. obviously in colorado there are more people graduating there then from where i'm from which is arkansas but that's because our universities and community colleges only except about 36 per semester for the bsn program and i only 22 a year for the adn program. and like i said only about half of the people of these group actually graduate. and honestly yes until the economy get better the nursing jobs that are available are hard to get... while in school work as a tech in a hospital, volunteer, do home health a couple hours a week, do something so when you get out you have something to put on your resume thats health care related.... to help with getting those jobs... but just because the hospital is making it hard to get the job doesnt by all means mean there is not a shortage of nurses. another thing is just because alot of hospitals arent hiring doesnt mean there isnt a shortage of nurses, there is but those hospital might not have the funding just yet to hire those nurses.... because there is a shortage and it's only going to increase. and regardless of what you think it is true and only time will convince you. and on the whole job thing isnt the "children's hospital" in denvor expanding and adding on 500 new jobs by the end of 2012. then there's the parker adventist hospital is expanding and adding 100 jobs this year, st. anthony's central hospital also is expanding to an extra 300 bed which will add tons of jobs, and then there's also the new medical center of aurora to be built.... so i have to say that's alot of jobs....and all in the denvor-metro area... and you say there isn't any... umm... odd..... and i'm sure i can come up with more information if you need it.
To NewRN NY: I was absolutely not being dissrespectful and if you would read my comment correctly I said and I quote "Yes there is a Nursing Shortage. ESPECIALLY in the area I live in. And on top of that the shortage is expected to increase by 2015 and future years." And yes I did say do some research because if you did you would see that in the coming years that the Nursing Shortage will increase. I absolutely did not say that the shortage was the same in every state and I DID NOT say anyone was stupid. And obviously I didnt lecture anyone because my statement was short and simple. And yes I absolute take back saying there isn't enought people graduating each year from nursing programs to meet the demand except for in my area and some other areas that only have a few programs that only except 36 BSN students per semester and 22 ADN student a YEAR and only half of these student graduate.
To Horse Shoe: I have not made any false statements you are just misunderstating what I have said... I am simply stating that an ADN students starts out doing clinicals it's first year in the program and does clinicals the whole two years enrolled in the program. And continues patient care when they complete their degree. While a BSN student doesnt start clinicals until their second year in the program which means they get three years clinical experience. But that ADN student who graduated and is already working in a hospital is actually getting more hand on training because they have already had 2 years of being an RN and having a real experience with their own patient load by the time the BSN student graduates. I definitely am not saying anything about BSN students because honestly they work their a** off to get through this program and are great NURSES. And most of these student eventually go into a management position.... And yes techinally in the ADN program they get the same classes in 2 years MINUS the management classes that the BSN students take. (I did write this wrong on my post but this was how I meant it, sorry) I also completely agree with the fact that alot of hospital would prefer to hire a BSN over an ADN in some AREAS but to say that hospitals just simply wont hire them is false because they can't simply just refuse you when an ADN and BSN are both qualified to work as an RN. Now some hospital job posting do say "BSN preferred" but this does NOT mean if you are an ADN you can not apply by all means try and try again. And yes I know that even though they cant simply refuse you because you hold an ADN they can anyways without you knowing... lol But when the nursing shortage gets worse in the up coming years I highly doubt they will be turning away an ADN. And anyways there is always Long-term care facilities that will hire an ADN. People just have to stop being so picky. Elderly need help too.
I also completely agree with the fact that alot of hospital would prefer to hire a BSN over an ADN in some AREAS but to say that hospitals just simply wont hire them is false because they can't simply just refuse you when an ADN and BSN are both qualified to work as an RN. Now some hospital job posting do say "BSN preferred" but this does NOT mean if you are an ADN you can not apply by all means try and try again. And yes I know that even though they cant simply refuse you because you hold an ADN they can anyways without you knowing... lol But when the nursing shortage gets worse in the up coming years I highly doubt they will be turning away an ADN. And anyways there is always Long-term care facilities that will hire an ADN. People just have to stop being so picky. Elderly need help too.
Actually, in my area they can and do explicitly not hire ADN nurses in several hospital systems. Why on earth would you think an employer can't set an education requirement for a position and then stick to it?
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I think they have. Our hospital's Magnet director went to an international Magnet conference in September and that was what they were told. Magnet facilities must have a plan in place by 2013 on how they will implement the 2020 mandate.