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I am cuurently working towards my goal of becoming a Nurse, and I work as a PCA now. I was having lunch with a few BSN and they were telling me how im[ortant it is to get the BSN cause the Nursing field is about to change where you must have a BSN? Then one chimes in and says well whatever you do Don't become a LPN we dont hire them at this hospital we put them in the Nursing Home and you never want to get stuck working in a Nursing Home. I was shocked, then ever one started beating up on how awful LPN's are and they are a waste because they fail to become Real Nurses. I have never really heard anything good about being a LPN or Working in Long term care. Arent LPN's pad well and if your a LPN you are a real nurse or is it just the step before becomin a RN. Why is there so much negative talk. I was considering becominga LPN and doing a bridge program but now I am unsure. some input please on this profession and should I do the LPN program. Thank You:o:stone

Boog'sCRRN246, RN

Specializes in Utilization Management. Has 10 years experience.

Ugh, how demeaning. Personally, I have never been around people who view LPNs in that way. I do know that the attitude exists, it has just never been aimed at me, a LPN. First of all, no one "sticks" LPNs in the nursing home. They are there b/c they want to be. While it's true many hospitals have begun reducing the number of LPNs they have on staff, it's not true across the board and can't be a generalization.

Being an LPN can be a stepping stone for some who choose to move on with their education or it can be a lifelong career. It is a personal decision.

Don't let your decision to go to LPN school be based on a few misinformed opinions.

what a bunch of ignorant *******.:angryfire.

ive run into alot of these types in my clinical areas. and i expect it, especially in hospitals. i also work with a nurse like this. she will sit there at lunch, butting into my lunch group, ask about school and then go into the whole schpeel about how useles LPN's are. here are a couple of points to think about...

my DH is an LPN in LTC, and they do not let these fabulous BSN's work on the sub acute floor, they float him, a lowly LPN, who runs circles around all of them RN and BSN *******. excpet for the RN's who have been there for 20 years. hes paid 4 dollars less and hour and they trust him not them. he's also the preceptor for the building, he trains all incoming nurses. LPN, RN, and BSN. and i couldnt even tell you all the horrible RN/BSN's hes seen come and go.

whether or not your a good nurse is not determined by the initials after your name. its the same way your job doenst measure your worth as a person. the judgement of wheter a nurse is a good nurse or a bad nurse is based on thouroughness of documentation. adherence to policy, follow thru, time management, effeciency, safety. patient and family and staff rapport. what are the patients saying about this nurse. isnt that what nursing is about , the patients?

LPN's are trained on a very different level than RN's. LPN focus is on what is the problem and how do we fix it. "practical" remember. its also heavy on the critical thinking aspect of nursing, looking ahead and thinking a problem out and anticipating complications and taking measures to prevent them. yes a RN will know alot more about the disease process and the physiology. but they lack, and i have worked in LTC for a long time and have seen it time and time again. critical thinking and prioritizing skills. ive wathced experieced LPN's run circles around new RN's who think there poop doesnt stink. the LPN has fixed it and documented by the time the RN figures it out.

its estimated that within 10 years 80% of nurses will be retiring. thats not a scenerio in which facilities can be

picky. if i had to spend 50,000 just to push pills, i wouldn't bother. and who would.

and why is that LTC is the bastard child of the nursing world. i think it is the most rewarding field. you are giving these people the highest quality of life you can at the end of their lives. these are the people who have fought in wars to preserve our freedom, they have lost their husbands who have died for this country. talk about throwing people out when theyre no longer useful. what a horrible attitude for a nurse to have. and if you think LTC is easy, you should talk to LTC nurses.

these nurses sound really snobby. if these girls were really your friends they would support any nursing career you go into and be happy that you are striving to better yourself.

I fully support your decision to go LPN first. you will be a 10 times better RN. pm me anytime if you need encouragement and support. dont let anyone stand in the way of your dreams. and if they do, get rid of them!!!!!

spnbabe08,

thank you very much for this post! i am preparing to start LPN school in the fall and i get the same treatments as the op. "oh, your going to LPN school? why are you wasting your time?". i find those comments so degrading. i just don't understand why these BSN nurses think there so great i mean afterall were someone decides to start there nursing career is a personal choice its different for everyone not everyone can or wants to start at that level. thank you for your post i found it very encouraging.

NurseLoveJoy88, ASN, RN

Specializes in LTC. Has 6 years experience.

I been through this as well as a LPN student. I do plan on getting my BSN but in the mean time I'll going to hold my head up high and be proud of getting my lpn.

I been through this as well as a LPN student. I do plan on getting my BSN but in the mean time I'll going to hold my head up high and be proud of getting my lpn.

same hear but the difference is well treat the lpn's and cna's with the respect that they deserve!

I am currently an LPN. And, I also have heard the negative comments about LPN's. I was once told in nursing school that nurses tend to eat thier young. Wow have I found that to be true sometimes. This is another example. I have worked with some wonderfull nurses. I currently work in LTC, not because I have too but because I love it. I am 4 months away from my RN and I will continue to work in LTC when I graduate. I got my LPN first because I needed a short program and it was only one year. I knew that I would have to be making good money to go for my RN. Not everyone can go for there BSN right away. LPN is a great starting point if that is what your looking for. It is also a terrific and rewarding career. I work with some LPN's that out shine our RN's hands down. Again as one of the other people said, your quality, skill, and professionalism are not defined by the initials after your name. A clear example of that would be the Nurses that you were speaking of.

I was a LPN 6 years before I became a RN. I will be starting a BSN program in July. I'm glad I chose to be a LPN first. My first job was on a orthopedics floor at a small hospital. Loved it!

Good luck to you!!!

gt4everpn, BSN, RN

Specializes in Licensed Practical Nurse.

angela,one piece of advice for you, never, never base what you want to do off of the opinions of others...yes lpn's are a level below rn's but that only titles. i live in ny and lpn's can work in hospitals, start iv's, we work in almost all areas of nursing and we do about 98% of what rn's do here in ny. of course our options are limited as far as moving up the career ladder because a lot of positions that are on the top of the career ladder require a bachelors or masters degree. but i'm telling you.... lpns are nurses and we sure can work, we know how to take care of our patients, how to recognize and manage a situation, what medications are and do, honey we do it all, and i know for sure that there are thousands of lpns out there that know just as much as any rn, work just as hard, and have patients and family members who feel just the same... and i'm one of them.... lpns rock, no-one will ever tell me different!! you want it angela.... go for it :wink2:

MattiesMama

Specializes in Community Health.

I love how they say "we" don't hire them...so I guess they are the hiring managers now? :chuckle

Just ignore it...I know some BSN's who I swear got their license out of a cracker jack box and some LPN's (and some CNA's for that matter) who are simply amazing at what they do and make an incredible difference in their patients lives. There are good nurses and bad nurses, period...only you can decide which category you will fall into.

At the end of the day it matters what your PATIENT'S think of you, not Fifi McSnobbypants, RNCTNENPXYZ :D

erjunkie8

Specializes in ED, OB. Has 11 years experience.

I am cuurently working towards my goal of becoming a Nurse, and I work as a PCA now. I was having lunch with a few BSN and they were telling me how im[ortant it is to get the BSN cause the Nursing field is about to change where you must have a BSN? Then one chimes in and says well whatever you do Don't become a LPN we dont hire them at this hospital we put them in the Nursing Home and you never want to get stuck working in a Nursing Home. I was shocked, then ever one started beating up on how awful LPN's are and they are a waste because they fail to become Real Nurses. I have never really heard anything good about being a LPN or Working in Long term care. Arent LPN's pad well and if your a LPN you are a real nurse or is it just the step before becomin a RN. Why is there so much negative talk. I was considering becominga LPN and doing a bridge program but now I am unsure. some input please on this profession and should I do the LPN program. Thank You:o:stone

That is very unfortunate. I believe I read somewhere it was mentioned "we don't stick LPN's anywhere", which is true. Nursing home care is a choice. The nurse in charge of doctors offices for the most part are LPN's. I have had the same disrespect with my years of ER experience with some RN's looking down on EMS, so I can understand EXACTLY how you feel!

My personal opinion with LPN and RN is that for one the pay difference is huge (ballpark of $5-$8/hr or more). If you start as a LPN and decide later to transition to RN all of the pre-reqs for the RN program must be completed prior to applying eventhough you have your LPN. You almost spend more money in the long run paying for both RN & LPN school. The fast track is not really "fast".

Secondly, when you work in the hospital as a LPN you may pick up "real world" habits and that can hurt you. Now, this is my opinion. I have learned that years of experience (I had about 10 with ER, OR & EMS) made it more difficult for me to change my ways strictly out of pure habit. For example, I have done TONS of foley caths and during my skills check off my instructor failed me and made me redo it. I had bad habits and trying to retrain my brain was hard. You know the whole old dog, new tricks thing... anyways.

As for the whole BSN thing and where nursing is going... whatever. If you want to go into management, work as a charge nurse, ANM or NM then yes go for your BSN. It's not like the hospital is going to make all of the 2yr nurses leave until they have a degree. If it becomes a requirement later then the hospital should pay for it. I personally hate management with a passion and if I chose to get my BSN in the future it is for my own gratification. Upper management and administratiors usually require MSN. It's a choice on what path you want to take in your career.

Pay no mind to the people who look down on other positions. It is sad, very common and usually misunderstood. Remember when you told people you were going into nursing and they ALL said "WOW, you can go anywhere with that and you will have so many choices", well you still can!!! GOOD LUCK!

**I took my NCLEX for the 2nd time today, I am praying and hoping it paid off, more experience hurts you in the long run, and that is how "I" feel about it***

Rylee2008, ASN, RN

Specializes in Operating Room, Long Term Care. Has 2 years experience.

At the school I go to the first year you can opt to take your LPN and then the next year you can get your RN. I will be finishing my first year next week and I'm taking my LPN boards in June. I have been pondering whether to just be a LPN and not finish my last year due to the fact my husband is self-employed and with the economy, I'm not sure if I can finish my last year. I think the nurses who where telling you that LPNs are worthless are crazy. I love long-term care more than the hospital. I like the relationship you create with the clients and their families. I don't understand why some RNs feel that once they complete school their are better than others. :angryfire In the area where I live home health care is only using LPNs and the pay is awesome. Good luck on your choice and don't let others change your mind. A good nurse is a good nurse whether a RN or LPN.

I am currently working for my LPN and I have say that in my little state of ND they tried to eliminate LPN's entirely. That didn't work and soon there was another nursing shortage. I have heard that they were trying to eliminate LPN's again, but I think there would probably be another nursing shortage and LPN's will become valuable again. Also I know that in my school you can get you RN after nine additional months of school after passing your boards. Oh and by the way there is no difference in pay between a ASN and BSN. The biggest differance is that if you have your BSN you can do more managerial stuff. One more thing that I would like to add is that LTC is NOT that bad. I work as a CNA in LTC and I love it. I love having an actual relationship with my patients and the fact that I can get to know them and their families.

MattiesMama

Specializes in Community Health.

I think it's a class thing. Not to say that LPN's are "low class", but a lot of people look down on tech schools, and since a lot of LPN programs are tech schools they assume we are some dumb laborers who weren't smart enough or motivated enough to get a real education.

I'm not going to knock a BSN, that's a huge accomplishment and hats off to anyone who does it, I hope to get my masters one day myself. But it takes more than 4 years of theory pumped into your head to be a good nurse, and personally I think functioning AS a nurse will teach you more than any school could.

I think it's a class thing. Not to say that LPN's are "low class", but a lot of people look down on tech schools, and since a lot of LPN programs are tech schools they assume we are some dumb laborers who weren't smart enough or motivated enough to get a real education.

I'm not going to knock a BSN, that's a huge accomplishment and hats off to anyone who does it, I hope to get my masters one day myself. But it takes more than 4 years of theory pumped into your head to be a good nurse, and personally I think functioning AS a nurse will teach you more than any school could.

i agree with you 100%. i do hair on the weekends and i was doing this mans hair a couple of weekends ago and his wife is a nurse so we got to talking and i told him i was starting LPN school in august. he response was " why are you wasting your time? if you want to be a real nurse you'll go to the university because you know you'll never get a job that you want as an LPN!" i was apalled! i so wanted to just shave him bald, but i kept my composure and told him i had my reasons for the route i was taking and the school i will be attending has a 100% pass rate. i just don't understand people.i mean i am so proud to be accepted into school and have worked hard to get accepted and people just try and burst your bubble!

I love how they say "we" don't hire them...so I guess they are the hiring managers now? :chuckle

Just ignore it...I know some BSN's who I swear got their license out of a cracker jack box and some LPN's (and some CNA's for that matter) who are simply amazing at what they do and make an incredible difference in their patients lives. There are good nurses and bad nurses, period...only you can decide which category you will fall into.

At the end of the day it matters what your PATIENT'S think of you, not Fifi McSnobbypants, RNCTNENPXYZ :D

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i agree with you 100%. i do hair on the weekends and i was doing this mans hair a couple of weekends ago and his wife is a nurse so we got to talking and i told him i was starting LPN school in august. he response was " why are you wasting your time? if you want to be a real nurse you'll go to the university because you know you'll never get a job that you want as an LPN!" i was apalled! i so wanted to just shave him bald, but i kept my composure and told him i had my reasons for the route i was taking and the school i will be attending has a 100% pass rate. i just don't understand people.i mean i am so proud to be accepted into school and have worked hard to get accepted and people just try and burst your bubble!

I just started the program and I am already SICK of the negative comments/opinions. I :heartbeat how everyone in OTHER FIELDS knows what nursing is all about!!! Yeah right! People just think that since RN=degree...that must be the best way to go. I finished EMT school with a 4.0 (straight A's the entire year) and I finished my nursing prereqs with a 4.0. I've been to university and decided I was not going to waste my life waiting to get into an RN program b/c I have a child who depends on me and I need to work NOW. University, colleges, tech schools...been there, done that...and my opinion of it all is...anyone can get a degree. Nursing school is a totally different ballgame. Most of the people who make these comments about LPNs, have degrees, but still do not have their dream job. :yawn:

erjunkie8

Specializes in ED, OB. Has 11 years experience.

At the school I go to the first year you can opt to take your LPN and then the next year you can get your RN. I will be finishing my first year next week and I'm taking my LPN boards in June. I have been pondering whether to just be a LPN and not finish my last year due to the fact my husband is self-employed and with the economy, I'm not sure if I can finish my last year. I think the nurses who where telling you that LPNs are worthless are crazy. I love long-term care more than the hospital. I like the relationship you create with the clients and their families. I don't understand why some RNs feel that once they complete school their are better than others. :angryfire In the area where I live home health care is only using LPNs and the pay is awesome. Good luck on your choice and don't let others change your mind. A good nurse is a good nurse whether a RN or LPN.

yes you are right. Long term health pay is decent compared to the hospitals. In the hospitals LPN's make much less and pretty much do the same job as RN's (for the most part). Eventhough I have had challenges with previous experience and testing I am glad that I have been on both sides of the fence being the one looked down on, I appreciate and encourage any role in the field. You need the techs, clerical staff and LPN's to make it all click! On the floor I am on there are no techs. RN's are responsible for all pt care.

You have a special place in my heart for your passion in long term care. I don't like it and have always thought that those who work there have to like it.

Also, I know that after our 3rd semester (mother/baby) of nursing school we are given the option to take the LPN exam. I know many people who fail the entire RN program based on 1%-2% below passing and are not allowed readmission. Because of that most of them challenge the LPN so they can work and support their families.

I am not sure but I think that LPN's in long term care make about the same as a RN in the hospital.

Go where your heart leads you. Management has the max requirements for degree's.... makes me wonder they have all these degree's on paper but what about the reason we all went into nursing... the passion for caring!

Not sure if you have ever worked with CRNA's (anesthesia nurses) but some of them look down on RN's and do the same as these RN's did to you. It is so true when they say "nurses eat their young"..

Don't let other RN's get you down with assumptions about LPN job roles. I admire all of them!! It's ignorance... even when I have replied to postings on the EMS sites, they are all fighting and bickering about who's better but we are all here for the same reason... the patient!!

erjunkie8

Specializes in ED, OB. Has 11 years experience.

I am currently working for my LPN and I have say that in my little state of ND they tried to eliminate LPN's entirely. That didn't work and soon there was another nursing shortage. I have heard that they were trying to eliminate LPN's again, but I think there would probably be another nursing shortage and LPN's will become valuable again. Also I know that in my school you can get you RN after nine additional months of school after passing your boards. Oh and by the way there is no difference in pay between a ASN and BSN. The biggest differance is that if you have your BSN you can do more managerial stuff. One more thing that I would like to add is that LTC is NOT that bad. I work as a CNA in LTC and I love it. I love having an actual relationship with my patients and the fact that I can get to know them and their families.

Where I work in FL the pay difference in ASN & BSN is in the range of 0.50-$1.50. Not worth it to me... I may get my bachelors at a later time just for myself but never have been a management person and have no desire to be. I believe you need the BSN to teach though and some people like to teach. ASN to BSN to MSN is all written. Hardly any clinical time like what you have when you start. Most managers haven't done direct pt care in many years... but they make the rules, go figure.. (uhh, makes me sick!..LOL)

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