Lotus Birth...What do yall think about this?

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This is a link I got from the Lysol Douche thread. The link was originally posted by Ktwlpn. I read it. Seem kind of weird to me. OB nurses does anyone see any huge benefit to this practice?

http://onyx-ii.com/birthsong/lotus.html

Lotus Birth - A Ritual for our times

by Sarah J. Buckley

Lotus birth is the practice of leaving the umbilical cord uncut, so that the baby remains attached to his/her placenta until the cord naturally separates at the umbilicus- exactly as a cut cord does- at 3 to 10 days after birth. This prolonged contact can be seen as a time of transition, allowing the baby to slowly and gently let go of his/her attachment to the mother's body.

Although we have no written records of cultures which leave the cord uncut, many traditional peoples hold the placenta in high esteem. For example, Maori people from New Zealand bury the placenta ritually on the ancestral marae, and the Hmong, a hill tribe from South East Asia, believe that the placenta must be retrieved after death to ensure physical integrity in the next life: a Hmong baby's placenta is buried inside the house of its birth.

Lotus Birth is a new ritual for us, having only been described in chimpanzees before 1974, when Clair Lotus Day- pregnant and living in California- began to question the routine cutting of the cord. Her searching led her to an obstetrician who was sympathetic to her wishes, and her son Trimurti was born in hospital and taken home with his cord uncut. Lotus Birth was named by, and seeded through Clair to Jeannine Parvati Baker in the US and Shivam Rachana in Australia, who have both been strong advocates for this gentle practice.

Since 1974, many babies have been born this way, including babies born at home and in hospital, on land and in water, and even by caesarean section. Lotus birth is a beautiful and logical extension of natural childbirth, and invites us to reclaim the so-called third stage of birth, and to honour the placenta, our baby's first source of nourishment.

I am a New Zealand GP (family MD in America), and have 4 children born at home in my adopted country, Australia. I have experienced Lotus birth with my second and subsequent children, after being drawn to it during my second pregnancy through contact with Shivam Rachana at the Centre for Human Transformation in Yarra Glen, near Melbourne. Lotus birth made sense to me at the time, as I remembered my time training in GP obstetrics, and the strange and uncomfortable feeling of cutting through the gristly, fleshy cord that connects baby to placenta and mother. The feeling for me was like cutting through a boneless toe, and it felt good to avoid this cutting with my coming baby.

Through the CHT I spoke with women who had chosen this for their babies, and experienced a beautiful post-natal time. Some women also described their Lotus-Birth child's self-possession and completeness. Others described it as a challenge, practically and emotionally. Nicholas, my partner, was concerned that it might interfere with the magic of those early days, but was happy to go along with my wishes.

Zoe, our second child, was born at home on the 10th of September 1993. Her placenta was, unusually, an oval shape, which was perfect for the red velvet placenta bag that I had sewn. Soon after the birth, we wrapped her placenta in a cloth nappy, then in the placenta bag, and bundled it up with her in a shawl that enveloped both of them. Every 24 hours, we attended to the placenta by patting it dry, coating it liberally with salt, and dropping a little lavender oil onto it. Emma, who was 2, was keen to be involved in the care of her sister's placenta.

As the days passed, Zoe's cord dried from the umbilical end, and became thin and brittle. It developed a convenient 90 degree kink where it threaded through her clothes, and so did not rub or irritate her. The placenta, too, dried and shrivelled due to our salt treatment, and developed a slightly meaty smell, which interested our cat!

Zoe's cord separated on the 6th day, without any fuss; other babies have cried inconsolably or held their cord tightly before separation. We planted her placenta under a mandarin tree on her first birthday, which our dear friend and neighbour Annie later dug up and put in a pot when we moved interstate. She told us later that the mandarins from the tree were the sweetest she had ever tasted.

Our third child, Jacob Patrick, was born on the 25th September 1995, at home into water. Jacob and I stayed in the water for some time after the birth, so we floated his placenta in a plastic ice-cream carton (with the lid on, and a corner cut out for the cord) while I nursed him. This time, we put his placenta in a sieve to drain for the first day. I neither dressed nor carried Jacob at this time, but stayed in a still space with him, while Nicholas cared for Emma, 4, and Zoe, 2. His cord separated in just under 4 days, and I felt that he drank deeply of the stillness of that time.

His short "breaking forth" time was perfect because my parents arrived from New Zealand the following day to help with our household. He later chose a Jacaranda tree under which to bury his placenta at our new home in Queensland.

My fourth baby, Maia Rose, was born in Brisbane, where Lotus birth is still very new, on 26 July 2000. We had a beautiful 'Do It Yourself' birth at home, and my intuition told me that her breaking forth time would be short. I decided not to treat her placenta at all, but kept it in a sieve over a bowl in the daytime, and in the placenta bag at night. The cord separated in just under 3 days and, although it was a cool time of year, it did get become friable and rather smelly. (Salt treatment would have prevented this). Maia's placenta is still in our freezer, awaiting the right time for burial, and I broke off a piece of her dried cord to give to her when she is older.

My older children have blessed me with stories of their lives before birth, and have been unanimously in favour of not cutting the cord- especially Emma, who remembered the unpleasant feeling of having her cord cut, which she describes as being "painful in my heart". Zoe, at five years of age, described being attached to a 'love-heart thing' in my womb and told me "When I was born, the cord went off the love-heart thing and onto there (the placenta) and then I came out." Perhaps she experienced her placenta in utero as the source of nourishment and love.

Lotus birth has been, for us, an exquisite ritual which has enhanced the magic of the early post natal days. I notice an integrity and self-possession with my lotus-born children, and I believe that lovingness, cohesion, attunement to nature, trust, and respect for the natural order have all been imprinted on our family by our honouring of the placenta, the Tree of Life, through Lotus Birth.

Lotus Birth... Asking The Next Question

by Robin Lim from Midwifery Today Magazine, Issue 58, Summer 2001

We midwives are widely known for asking questions. As embryonic midwives we read Niles Newton, Lester Hazell, Sheila Kitzinger. When our own bellies grew rich with child we had Jeannine Parvati Baker's "Prenatal Yoga" to guide us. Raven Lang's "Birth Book" and Suzanne Arms' book, "Immaculate Deception" inspired us and we asked the obstetrical world: Why? Why so many routine lady partsl exams? Why stirrups? Why the shave? Why the high rate of cesarean birth? Why should I consider epidural anesthesia? Why ultrasound?

When we were not satisfied with the answers, or lack of explanation we naturally asked: Why must a healthy, low-risk woman have her healthy baby in the hospital, a place set aside for people who are seriously ill? The next logical question was: Why not home birth?

Receiving babies at home midwives continued to ask why. They listened to expectant parents also asking why. Why do obstetricians practicing in hospitals cut the umbilical cord so soon? It was a quiet, yet profound revolution when midwives learned to wait. Obstetrical medicine may have viewed it as a giant step backwards in history. Back to a time of family centered, woman-helping-woman birth protocols. Indeed indigenous people of our planet are still allowing birth to unfold, naturally. The families we serve are pleased to experience birth without the interference of technology. Faith in Mother Nature and Father Time, in God's design for human reproduction is strong in the hearts of home birth families.

However what birthing women and their babies experience in most hospital settings, not only in the U.S., but in the medical protocols that western medicine has exported to the "developing world", are procedures and practices which do not have this "faith" as a foundation. Instead, the " Baby's House" became the "uterus". The uterus, from what I can tell, having worked in many hospitals, is perceived as the enemy, a dark and mysterious place from which doctors must rescue babies! Armed with induction and the pitocin drip, they are ready and able to move those babies out.

Once a woman in a hospital has reached full dilation (and with all the routine lady partsl exams, that is quickly established), the lady parts becomes the enemy. With or without expulsion contractions women are told (I've seen them forced) to push. If she does not bring the baby out quickly enough, fundal pressure is applied. Next forceps or vacuum suction. PUSH! PUSH! Episiotomies are cut to hasten the exit of baby, accomplishing the rescue in less time. The cord is immediately clamped and cut. The baby is rushed away from the mother. To be washed (getting all the enemy slime and smells off), weighed, measured and evaluated as a survivor. Her temperature is taken anally. She's dressed and placed in a warmer.

What a contrast to the five home births I had and to the births of the many hundreds of babies I've been honored to receive in their homes. Homes with extravagant carpets, homes with bamboo walls and packed mud floors, all those loving homes in-between where birth took place without violence. Mother was never the enemy in these homes. We had no high-tech infant warmer. The babies were snug on mother's skin, in her arms, cradled on her soft belly, suckled at her breasts. Primitive? Perhaps. A step backwards? I wonder?

With your permission I'll take you to a family scene, 24 years after my first perfectly natural home birth... My now grown daughter Déjà is in a panic. "I've lost my purse! Mother help me. I'll die without my purse!" Déjà's purse is oval shaped, weighing about 1 1/2 lbs., is brown-red in color and has a long strap. Misplacing it causes her to panic, her breathing becomes labored. She cries for mother. Moments after Déjà cried, "I'll die without my purse!" Our eyes met in a moment of "a-ha". She laughed out loud and said, "This is all your fault mother, you never should have let my cord be cut." We hugged and one of Déjà's brothers unearthed the essential purse, the surrogate placenta.

Just the previous weekend Déjà had assisted while I served as midwife for her friend, Priya. The family had decided on Lotus birth, they chose not to cut baby Pranavkrshnan's umbilical cord. The glowing new father, Pradheep, a PHD in biochemistry, felt spiritually moved to choose a non-violent way. As a scientist he was curious to see for himself how nature would handle the relationship between his son and the placenta. We brought a bowl of warm water close and washed the excess blood away. We dusted the placenta with ground rosemary, turmeric and salt. Gingerly, respectfully we wrapped it in a diaper, while the baby remained naked, warm against his mother, still attached to his 'little brother'.

Over the course of the magical first week of Pranavkrshnan's life, the cord dried up, we changed the placenta's diaper and added herbs daily. There was no unpleasant odor. On day five the baby's grandmother made a discovery. She observed that when her grandson nursed, the placenta, lying approximately 14 inches away, would pulse. She pointed this out to her son-in-love, who was astounded.

When I arrived for a visit, Pradheep could not wait to demonstrate. I was witness to nothing short of a miraculous revelation: even five days after the birth, though the umbilical cord was dry, seemingly lifeless, the placenta was responsive to the baby being nourished at mother's breasts. In the words of the father-biochemist, "I am certain that something here is being communicated. I am not fooled by the dry appearance of the cord, deep in the center there is life. Something essential is being provided to my baby by his placenta."

Many, many years ago I read about Jeannine Parvati Baker's Lotus births. I was moved, yet I did not imagine that I could accomplish this kind of patience. When I mentioned it to my own midwife (now deceased), she laughed and assured me that it would be too inconvenient. I let the idea go, though I was to birth three more babies, I was not ready to look that deeply into my own process. Today it is the one thing I would change about the births of my children. Yes, my daughter laughed when she realized she would not 'die' without her purse. Yet I can't shake the memory of her recoiling when her cord was cut. Yes, it had stopped pulsing, or so we thought at the time.

Prior to 1995 hundreds of times I've cut cords. Too often I've heard the babies cry out at the moment, or flinch, or clutch their fists, sometimes I perceive no reaction. In Bali I learned to wait until the "Ari-ari" was born before ever cutting. This is the tradition, never to 'kill' the placenta, the little brother or sister, before it dies a natural death. This Ari-ari would die shortly after the birth but live on in spirit as the child's guardian angel, for the entirety of the baby's life. After death the Ari-ari would go with one to heaven and testify as to whether or not this human did his or her life's duty. A Balinese child greets her placenta when she rises in the morning. At night he prays and implores his placenta to protect him in the dark. Every new moon, full moon and on each Holy day offerings are placed at the burial site of one's placenta.

Here in Iowa I've received now ten babies whose cords were not cut. Only ten. The vast majority of families still choose to cut the cord. However since 1995 all of the babies I have received in Indonesia, the Philippines and Iowa (with the exception of one serious nucal cord baby) have enjoyed the benefits of waiting until well after the birth of the placenta before their umbilical cord was cut. (Usually one to two hours) Another midwife who has moved out of State had also facilitated a few Lotus births.

In Asia I did notice that the women were in no hurry to cut the cord once the placenta had been born. It was the men who wished it done. They felt compelled to bathe and bury the Ari- ari quickly. Culturally it was the men's responsibility, and so the women accommodated them. More than a few grandmothers and great-grandmothers rebuked the men for rushing the cord cutting, even an hour after the birth of the placenta.

I am now blessed to have a copy of Jeannine Parvati Baker's Lotus Birth Information Packet. Each of my home birth families reads it while expecting. Since Jeannine sent it to me, none of my families has chosen to cut the cord. Amazing how simple it is to begin a sweet revolution, just by providing honest answers to simple questions. Thank You Jeannine. Recently another gift from Jeannine landed in my mailbox: A book by Shivam Rachana called, Lotus Birth. (published in 2000 by Greenwood Press, P.O. Box 233 Yarra Glen, Victoria 3775 Australia) What a gift this author has given the world. I have hung on every word and highly recommend it.

Midwives are the guardians of normal birth. Yet in these times we may have forgotten what normal is. We are certain that a close bond between mother and child is normal. My experience is that Lotus birth facilitates that bond. Yes, it is inconvenient to move around with the baby attached to her placenta. So mother lays-in, close to the baby and placenta, breastfeeding is established in this sacred circle of quiet, restful seclusion. Yes, few visitors feel welcome while the placenta is still attached. It is during this space out of time that family may be invented, that the new mother reinvents herself.

Midwives, please ask yourselves the next question: Why are we buying into the medical ritual of cord cutting? When I see one of my Lotus birth babies gingerly holding her cord, I feel the goodness of leaving them intact. HER cord, HIS placenta, the baby's companion in the womb, who has sustained mother and child through pregnancy, has shared the baby's magical prenatal world...

We live in a world of MINE, of mountains of possessions. I wonder if the roots of consumerism are planted in the practice of taking babies' cord and placenta away, before they naturally let go. And, I ask myself: Why cut the cord?

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CNM to be . . .

I think your story is anecdotal and unfortunately doesn't prove that having the placenta still attached made any real difference at all.

I have four children and they were all born with different personalities. From the beginning. My oldest was very colicky and he ended up being allergic to dairy products, which we didn't find out until he was 6 months old. 2nd no. 3rd yes. 4th no.

Everyone has different experiences with their children and I'm glad you enjoyed your lotus births but you cannot prove that having the placenta still attached was what made the difference.

But there is no proof that lotus births do anything "spiritual or cosmic". Your first son probably would have been colicky even if the placenta had been attached for 3 or 4 days.

Your lotus babies didn't have a nuchal cord - that makes a difference depending on how tight it is . . sounds like it was a normal occurance with your first son to need a little more stimulation.

I don't mean to criticize you - afterall I'm one of those crazy moms who breastfed her kids into toddlerhood. So I realize how it feels to have people think you are nuts.

And I don't agree that we are animals. We are uniquely created human beings.

You have to admit - it is an odd practice so no one should be surprised at the reaction here.

Best wishes with your goals.

steph

perfectly stated. Thank you for being so respectful in your disagreement. I agree with you here.

Specializes in L&D/birthing center.

from my research i found that up to 43% of fetal blood remains in maternal-fetal circulation when the placenta detaches. australlian physican, dr sarah buckley has some good information on this http://www.lotusbirth.com/doc/feb2003lotusbirth-314.htm

as far as any measurable benefit of the those stem cells reaching the baby i cannot say with certainty. as i may have said in my above post our reasons for lotus birthing were not physical, although those like dr buckley, michel odent, and various midwives indeed say there are medical benefits. i do know that i have worked with lots of moms and babies and have seem some severely depressed newborns, imo as result of immediate cord clamping. those babies that are left with their cords intact, to stop pulsating, generally do much better and need little or no help getting started.

*edited by moderator*, i find *the above* comments quite harsh. *no one is* the judge of what experience in my life is spiritual, proof or no proof.

Specializes in ICU, PICC Nurse, Nursing Supervisor.

*personal opinion....i think*there is just something wrong about putting a diaper on your placenta and carring it around the house!!!! if i did this, i would hope someone would order me a psych eval and quick.....:barf02: :barf01:

*notice that this poster is speaking about her desires, not condemning anyone else's desires in her quote.*

well, i've been reading through this thread and thought i'd add my pov. i have 3 homebirthed boys, the youngest 2 of which had lotus births. i did a lot of soul-searching and researching before ds #2 was born and chose a lotus birth for him b/c it was what felt right. ds #1 had a nuchal cord as his head was being born and my attending midwife decided to cut it before the rest of his body was born b/c it was so tight. he needed a lot of stimulation to get going. in contrast, my next son was a very easy-going baby. he had a calmness about him that simply wasn't present w/ ds#1. ds# 3 was the same. he had a very easy transition. my lotus babies did not need any resucitation or supplemental o2. the most remarkable difference was in the days that followed the births. my first son was a very colicky newborn. i literally carried him in the sling and nursed him around the clock. he would scream and scream and scream. our ped said that nothing was wrong with him. our next 2 were completely different. they were so at peace. even though the physical dependence on their placentas was gone there was a spiritual or cosmic one that couldn't be denied. my child's placenta was his own genetic twin and i felt there was something about that connection i couldn't interfere with.

so, what did i do w/ the placenta while it was still attached? immediately after the placenta detached we rinsed all the whorton's jelly from it in a colander. we made sure all the blood clots were rinsed away as well. for the first day we simply wrapped it in a cloth diaper and put it in a "placenta bag." i made a placenta bag out of the most beautiful royal purple velveteen and lined it with hemp linen. after about the first 24 hours it shrinks quite a bit so the bag is no longer needed. at every diaper change we also changed the placenta's "diaper" and sprinkled it with lavender flowers. i kept the cord closest to the umbilicus most so it wouldn't tug the baby's skin. ds#2's placenta/cord fell off at 4 days pp and ds#3 lost his at 3 days pp...much quicker than my first son losing his cord stump at 7 day pp. also, their umbilicus healed perfectly, unlike my first son's whose required a trip to the ped after becoming infected.

overall, it was a wonderful, healing experience for our family. my back-up ob (who is a very conservative doc by most standards) even thought the whole idea was neat. he said that in the event of an emergency transfer he would do his best to preserve the placenta/baby bond...even if i needed a c/s. the best thing about lotus birthing was that it kept us home and together as a family. it kept us mindful and focused on the baby and each other. i'd do it again in a heartbeat!

now, with all of that said, i am not a weird-o. i am actually pretty normal. i am currently pursuing my adn and hope to catch babies one day. things aren't always so black-and-white with families having babies. honestly, i am saddened by the judgement passed on mothers who chose lotus birth in this thread. while there is not a whole lot of research out there on lotus birth (and why not...placentas are a $ maker in some hospitals) it is a choice that some families will make and there are valid reasons for those families in doing so....even if you don't agree.

fwiw...we are indeed animals.

Specializes in L&D/birthing center.
there is just something wrong about putting a diaper on your placenta and carring it around the house!!!! if i did this, i would hope someone would order me a psych eval and quick.....:barf02: :barf01:

the above is completely uncalled for. it was because of judgemental nurses *edited** that i chose to stay out of the hospital and have my children at home. i am finished with this thread.

I don't think Stevielynns response was harsh...she was merely respectfully disagreeing. And I have to say I agree with her. I myself would not do it but I don't beileve ones who do are necessarily psychotic. I have seen a few sites on this that do border on extreme though...I'm talking about the one that states that cutting the cord is child abuse and all who particiapte in it should be put in jail.(not exact but to that effect) I need to find the link sorry I don't have it. That's too much sorry.

From what I've read there doesn't seem to be any huge advantages or disadvantages to it. I don't go for the spiritual/cosmic benefits either but that's just me. I don't think a child who has their cord cut will be anymore worse off than one who has not. I guess if you want to do it do it...if you don't don't. I personally will not.

I don't see the placenta to be a cosmic twin for a child and I certainly don't want to lug one around should I have a child. But then to each her own. CNM-to-be...Thank you again for your posts and responding to mine...I will still continue to look this stuff up because it is sorta interesting.

I do know that I have worked with lots of moms and babies and have seem some severely depressed newborns, IMO as result of immediate cord clamping. Those babies that are left with their cords intact, to stop pulsating, generally do much better and need little or no help getting started.

hmmm... in my experience, babies who are severly depressed at birth NEED their cords clamped/cut immediately so that they CAN be resuscitated. It's not a physiological thing, just physics- the umbilical cord is just not long enough. We can give a baby a little O2 on mom's chest, but if a baby is severly depressed and needs further evaluation or resusciation the best place to do that is on a warm, firm surface like a radiant warmer. But this is just my limited experience (I've not even been an LDRP nurse for 2 years yet). our docs and midwives especially definitely prefer to wait until the cord stops pulsing to cut it, but that is not the reason most of our babies "do better and need little or no help getting started" (using your words because they were well chosen). Most babies statistically do well at birth anyway.

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*edited for personal attack*

From my research I found that up to 43% of fetal blood remains in maternal-fetal circulation when the placenta detaches. Australlian physican, Dr Sarah Buckley has some good information on this http://www.lotusbirth.com/doc/FEB2003Lotusbirth-314.htm

As far as any measurable benefit of the those stem cells reaching the baby I cannot say with certainty. As I may have said in my above post our reasons for Lotus birthing were not physical, although those like Dr Buckley, Michel Odent, and various midwives indeed say there are medical benefits. I do know that I have worked with lots of moms and babies and have seem some severely depressed newborns, IMO as result of immediate cord clamping. Those babies that are left with their cords intact, to stop pulsating, generally do much better and need little or no help getting started.

stevielynn, with all due respect, I find your comments quite harsh. You are not the judge of what experience in my life is spiritual, proof or no proof.

Sorry if you interpreted them to be harsh. It is true that I cannot judge what you personally experience as spiritual or cosmic.

Waiting to cut the cord after it stops pulsing and keeping the placenta attached for days while it rots are two completely different things. No nutrients pass into the baby when the cord is all dried up. If you find a spiritual aspect to it, you are right, I cannot judge that for you.

But you cannot get upset when people find this odd. It is odd.

And finding it odd does not make us bad nurses.

steph

yeah, it' still odd and, quite frankly, hilarious. to each his own is right. so long as it's not specifically harmful i guess it doesn't matter. but all these different "afflictions" that seem to be remedied by leaving the cord/placenta attached, it's just causal and it's a dangerous line of thinking. Just cause you hiccup every time the lightning claps doesn't mean the lightning is causing your hiccup. And if you want your theory to prove successful, your mind can easily interpert things to fulfill your expectations as such. Our memories are tricky tricky things. So, enjoy the whole "Lotus Birth" if you so choose. In the grand scheme of things, it's no big deal. Our lives are long and full.

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yeah, it' still odd and, quite frankly, hilarious. to each his own is right. so long as it's not specifically harmful i guess it doesn't matter. but all these different "afflictions" that seem to be remedied by leaving the cord/placenta attached, it's just causal and it's a dangerous line of thinking. Just cause you hiccup every time the lightning claps doesn't mean the lightning is causing your hiccup. And if you want your theory to prove successful, your mind can easily interpert things to fulfill your expectations as such. Our memories are tricky tricky things. So, enjoy the whole "Lotus Birth" if you so choose. In the grand scheme of things, it's no big deal. Our lives are long and full.

That's about the most sensible post I've seen on this entire thread. :)

Thank you for putting it so eloquently.

Lotus birth does not do any harm or good....this is an individual choice and people should be educated about the care of the drying placenta...

when the bb is born the placenta will stop pulsating after a few minutes anyway.If u want the bb to have as much possible blood before, just position the bb below the introitus for a few minutes...which is the time u would need to do a first quick assess anyway...then put the bb on mom tummy if she wishes to.

Ginny Doula RN SNM

Lotus birth does not do any harm or good....this is an individual choice and people should be educated about the care of the drying placenta...

when the bb is born the placenta will stop pulsating after a few minutes anyway.If u want the bb to have as much possible blood before, just position the bb below the introitus for a few minutes...which is the time u would need to do a first quick assess anyway...then put the bb on mom tummy if she wishes to.

Ginny Doula RN SNM

Ginny, is the placenta not a medium for bacterial growth, however? Is simply keeping it dry on the outside enough to discourage potential bacterial growth?

Does any of what remains inside--which is moist---continue to be transferred back into the baby's circulation, at least during the first 24 hours? Is there any maternal blood left behind that might be better off left behind, instead of transferred back into the baby's circulatory system? I would so be worried about postential septiciemia resulting from this exchange--educate us, please--yousound knowledgable, and as if you have done your research on this issue, which is foreign to most of us.

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