Looking for online RN - BSN with no clinical componet.

Jo Dirt · Oct 28, 2004

Kind of silly how you read too much into this. There isn't a thing I said that would warrant an argument. Thing is, that you think my post was "looking for an argument" means you found something you wanted to argue about.

I'm not the one arguing about anything. If something bites someone the wrong way it is usually because there is a little pain to the truth.

Truth is, a lot of distance learning people carry a chip on their shoulders because there is a stigma attached to getting your diploma through the mail (I've heard it compared to a cracker jack box), which is why when someone comes along who dosen't happen to think distance learning is the best thing to ever happen to education (especially when it looks like people are being taken to the cleaners with this tuition business, which it clearly looks like this is happening in some cases) they are accused of being a troll/trying to start an argument. Now if I didn't think some forms of distance learning were not valuable I wouldn't be coming to the distance learning board looking for advice. If you think that way there isn't anything I can do to change that.

Jo Dirt · Oct 28, 2004

Kind of silly how you read too much into this. There isn't a thing I said that would warrant an argument. Thing is, that you think my post was "looking for an argument" means you found something you wanted to argue about.

I'm not the one arguing about anything. If something bites someone the wrong way it is usually because there is a little pain to the truth.

Truth is, a lot of distance learning people carry a chip on their shoulders because there is a stigma attached to getting your diploma through the mail (I've heard it compared to a cracker jack box), which is why when someone comes along who dosen't happen to think distance learning is the best thing to ever happen to education (especially when it looks like people are being taken to the cleaners with this tuition business, which it clearly looks like this is happening in some cases) they are accused of being a troll/trying to start an argument. Now if I didn't think some forms of distance learning were not valuable I wouldn't be coming to the distance learning board looking for advice. If you think that way there isn't anything I can do to change that.

opalmRN · Oct 28, 2004

I wasn't talking about nonmedical people becoming RN's but nonmedical people learning to be an RN from a book. Clinical time is so important. But regarding the clinicals, I take it the preceptor's are your clinical instructors though? That would a rather different story.
That is the thing that bothers me about Excelsior, the lack of clinical time. But I just got off the phone with an advisor from EC and she told me that is why California does not accept Excelsior ASN graduates (issues over the clinicals). I told her I had heard some EC graduates had trouble getting jobs and were not even accepted in some states and asked why. I didn't like the advisor I talked to (she was more the pushy salesperson type than the teacher type) and she kept assuring me EC had been in business 33 yrs. and she wanted to know where I was getting my information from (I told her allnurses.com) and that they have over 27,000 students, blah blah blah...anyway, that is the reason surgical tech's and MA's are no longer accepted, it all has to do with the clinical aspect. Maybe EC will start to lengthen their clinicals. Anyway, I do'nt feel I am going the best route by going through distance learning and I don't think the distance learning route is the best way for most people to go, yet again, not everyone has the opportunity to sit in a class or physically go to clinicals all week.
So we make due with what we have. I still can't believe there is not a better way to go than getting in debt over $20,000...no amount of money a person will make as an RN will make paying that kind of loan off easy. And so what if it is a "private" school? What's the glory in that?

If your not enrolled in EC how would you be talking to an advisor? You were talking with an admissions rep totally different. That is their job to answer questions and also set the record straight as far as the schools qualifications, etc.

If YOU don't feel you are going to get what you need in a distance education program than an on-campus program is probably best for YOU. No one said they were looking for "glory" but rather the school offering an excellent distance ed program for those interested in persuing a nursing degree happens to be a private school. Yes everyone here agrees the tuition is high but then so are other online programs, UOP is also very expensive but it is an excellent school.

As for distance ed students having a presumed "chip on their shoulders" you are very wrong there. Those of us distance ed students who know both distance ed and traditional can provide a wealth of support and information and from what I have seen, always offer the information in a non judgemental view.

I think the original poster ask for information on an "online RN to BSN with no clinical component." If you can offer helpful informed information that would be great.

opalmRN · Oct 28, 2004

I wasn't talking about nonmedical people becoming RN's but nonmedical people learning to be an RN from a book. Clinical time is so important. But regarding the clinicals, I take it the preceptor's are your clinical instructors though? That would a rather different story.
That is the thing that bothers me about Excelsior, the lack of clinical time. But I just got off the phone with an advisor from EC and she told me that is why California does not accept Excelsior ASN graduates (issues over the clinicals). I told her I had heard some EC graduates had trouble getting jobs and were not even accepted in some states and asked why. I didn't like the advisor I talked to (she was more the pushy salesperson type than the teacher type) and she kept assuring me EC had been in business 33 yrs. and she wanted to know where I was getting my information from (I told her allnurses.com) and that they have over 27,000 students, blah blah blah...anyway, that is the reason surgical tech's and MA's are no longer accepted, it all has to do with the clinical aspect. Maybe EC will start to lengthen their clinicals. Anyway, I do'nt feel I am going the best route by going through distance learning and I don't think the distance learning route is the best way for most people to go, yet again, not everyone has the opportunity to sit in a class or physically go to clinicals all week.
So we make due with what we have. I still can't believe there is not a better way to go than getting in debt over $20,000...no amount of money a person will make as an RN will make paying that kind of loan off easy. And so what if it is a "private" school? What's the glory in that?

If your not enrolled in EC how would you be talking to an advisor? You were talking with an admissions rep totally different. That is their job to answer questions and also set the record straight as far as the schools qualifications, etc.

If YOU don't feel you are going to get what you need in a distance education program than an on-campus program is probably best for YOU. No one said they were looking for "glory" but rather the school offering an excellent distance ed program for those interested in persuing a nursing degree happens to be a private school. Yes everyone here agrees the tuition is high but then so are other online programs, UOP is also very expensive but it is an excellent school.

As for distance ed students having a presumed "chip on their shoulders" you are very wrong there. Those of us distance ed students who know both distance ed and traditional can provide a wealth of support and information and from what I have seen, always offer the information in a non judgemental view.

I think the original poster ask for information on an "online RN to BSN with no clinical component." If you can offer helpful informed information that would be great.

Jo Dirt · Oct 28, 2004

If your not enrolled in EC how would you be talking to an advisor?

When I was on hold the recording said, "An admissions ADVISOR will be with you shortly."

Regarding my comment about "private" school, that is because everytime I questioned the outrageous cost of Deaconess I was told (more than once) that it was about the same as going to any other "private" school. Most people don't go to private school, especially when they don't have scholarships or wealthy parents to pay for it.

I still believe there has to be a better way.

I would like to know about online RN to BSN programs as well. I hope to goodness there is one that won't cause a person to break the bank.

Jo Dirt · Oct 28, 2004

If your not enrolled in EC how would you be talking to an advisor?

When I was on hold the recording said, "An admissions ADVISOR will be with you shortly."

Regarding my comment about "private" school, that is because everytime I questioned the outrageous cost of Deaconess I was told (more than once) that it was about the same as going to any other "private" school. Most people don't go to private school, especially when they don't have scholarships or wealthy parents to pay for it.

I still believe there has to be a better way.

I would like to know about online RN to BSN programs as well. I hope to goodness there is one that won't cause a person to break the bank.

txspadequeenRN, BSN, RN · Oct 28, 2004

ec and isu have the same accrediation. they both are accrediated by the nln and there own state boards. they also both carry regional accrediation. college network which is what i think you were refering to ,is a publishing company and does not grant degrees.

the thing here that i am not quite understanding is the below comment.
"i'm sure i'll get ripped another one for saying this but if you are
not qualified to get into ec (such as being a nonmedical person) there is
probably a *reason*...ergo, it may not be a good idea for someone who
has not worked in the medical field as some type of nurse (lpn) to
become an rn. in fact, ec has recently discontinued accepting ma's and
surgical tech's and cna's into their nursing program due to complaints
regarding competency issues."
when i went to school i did not go straight for my rn because my lpn schooling was free. all i had to do was pay 500.00 for my books/uniforms. yes i was fortunate to live in a city/county that the school system paid for the education along with the hospital. it is a great plan and more places should think of doing this but alas they won't.
many many many people go from being non medical personnel to rn's everyday. if i had had the money i would have but i did not. as for distance learning alot of the programs are set up for lpn's to go to rn's on a self paced track. that is great. for non medical personnel i am not sure how many programs there are with distance learning but i would think they would teach it just as other colleges to from the ground up but that does not mean they have to be a lpn first. i would encourage most now a days to get their rn instead of their lpn. why? because i have been an lpn for years doing rn jobs for lpn pay and some jobs we are prevented from doing.
ok enough of my opinion. honest not trying to be negative to anyone but we need to realize that people will get discouraged by what we say.
one thing to remember about excelsior two states out of the u.s did not accept their diploma. last i heard it was illinois and i want to say florida. this may have changed over the past year or so but that is the last i read on it. anyone else know? i do know that the collegeework/indianauniersiy is nln accredited for all states. so that is a plus. anyway good luck.
jennifer

txspadequeenRN, BSN, RN · Oct 28, 2004

ec and isu have the same accrediation. they both are accrediated by the nln and there own state boards. they also both carry regional accrediation. college network which is what i think you were refering to ,is a publishing company and does not grant degrees.

the thing here that i am not quite understanding is the below comment.
"i'm sure i'll get ripped another one for saying this but if you are
not qualified to get into ec (such as being a nonmedical person) there is
probably a *reason*...ergo, it may not be a good idea for someone who
has not worked in the medical field as some type of nurse (lpn) to
become an rn. in fact, ec has recently discontinued accepting ma's and
surgical tech's and cna's into their nursing program due to complaints
regarding competency issues."
when i went to school i did not go straight for my rn because my lpn schooling was free. all i had to do was pay 500.00 for my books/uniforms. yes i was fortunate to live in a city/county that the school system paid for the education along with the hospital. it is a great plan and more places should think of doing this but alas they won't.
many many many people go from being non medical personnel to rn's everyday. if i had had the money i would have but i did not. as for distance learning alot of the programs are set up for lpn's to go to rn's on a self paced track. that is great. for non medical personnel i am not sure how many programs there are with distance learning but i would think they would teach it just as other colleges to from the ground up but that does not mean they have to be a lpn first. i would encourage most now a days to get their rn instead of their lpn. why? because i have been an lpn for years doing rn jobs for lpn pay and some jobs we are prevented from doing.
ok enough of my opinion. honest not trying to be negative to anyone but we need to realize that people will get discouraged by what we say.
one thing to remember about excelsior two states out of the u.s did not accept their diploma. last i heard it was illinois and i want to say florida. this may have changed over the past year or so but that is the last i read on it. anyone else know? i do know that the collegeework/indianauniersiy is nln accredited for all states. so that is a plus. anyway good luck.
jennifer

jennifer0223 · Oct 28, 2004

first i have to say that we are all adults here i think. i was not trying to slam lpn/rn over her post. only to put facts out and question what she was saying. she clarified it and i thanked her for doing so in a private email. now to clear up some misconceptions i have spoken with ec and cn and i have some facts that some may not know.

the cn is a publishing program that has a contract with many different institutions. to get people ready to enter the institution so that we may receive a bonifide degree from that university or college. i.e. ec, isu, uop and so on it is not a "mail order diploma" that is a totally different thing than the distance learning that we receive through the colleges. mail order diplomas are like the ads you receive in the mail that say learn accounting and etc and get a diploma by mail. they have been around for a long time.

if you are in the publishing company's program you will finish and test out of all the credits you need to and then move into being registered with the college and will be a student of the college ie ec or isu or uop or etc. once finished you will graduate from that college not the publishing company. you can even go to the college and walk the walk at graduation if you want to that is your choice.

now the differences between the two programs are this

cn/isu ec

nln accredited yes yes

accepted by every state? yes no**

clinicals yes 450hours a weekend

clinical testing? no yes

cost of cpne? none 1575.00

cost of program depends on pre reqs needed same

approx 5775.00. unsure

with cn/isu once you are enrolled in isu you do have to take the phases of nursing classes which are online but run with the school calendar. anotherwords the classes are fall/spring off summer.

now for the ** part ec is not accepted in ilinois, alabama, california and colorodo, also in washington state you have to take an additional 200 clinical hours before you sit for exam, in oklahoma you have to take 2 more classes maternity newborn and psych and mental health nursing before sitting for boards, and in georgia this is a kicker you have to test in another state and then have your license transferred through reciprocity.

i am not against one class or the other. i was going to start ec when it was regeants. i did not start. now i am going through cn only because i can go from lpn to my bsn and masters in a shorter period of time without having to go to the classroom. i need that due to work schedules and childcare etc. i choose to go through the publishing company first because that way i can do all my pre reqs as fast or as slow as i need and for me that is a positive. where if i enrolled directly into isu i would have to go by their schedule and etc.

as for no clinical time to put in ec only has a weekend possibly 2 weekends. so yes that one doesn't have much time and well isu is 450hours. other programs are longer or shorter as well.

ultimately it is each individual's choice. i received my study guide for sociology today and i will finish it fairly quickly no text book because the guide makes it so i dont' have to buy one. i love it. and its well written and i am excited.

i hope that people who have the thought that distance learning is a mail order diploma will see that there is a difference between distance learning and mail order learning. i know we have all seen the ads in the magazines be a vet assistant in 11 months, etc usually there is a celebrity endorsing the ad. they two programs are entirely different entities.

i wish every one success in the college, or publishing company/college combo that they choose. if anyone would like information from me about cn please contact me. i will gladly help you get to the right person to talk to.

jennifer022368:balloons:

ec and isu have the same accrediation. they both are accrediated by the nln and there own state boards. they also both carry regional accrediation. college network which is what i think you were refering to ,is a publishing company and does not grant degrees.

jennifer0223 · Oct 28, 2004

first i have to say that we are all adults here i think. i was not trying to slam lpn/rn over her post. only to put facts out and question what she was saying. she clarified it and i thanked her for doing so in a private email. now to clear up some misconceptions i have spoken with ec and cn and i have some facts that some may not know.

the cn is a publishing program that has a contract with many different institutions. to get people ready to enter the institution so that we may receive a bonifide degree from that university or college. i.e. ec, isu, uop and so on it is not a "mail order diploma" that is a totally different thing than the distance learning that we receive through the colleges. mail order diplomas are like the ads you receive in the mail that say learn accounting and etc and get a diploma by mail. they have been around for a long time.

if you are in the publishing company's program you will finish and test out of all the credits you need to and then move into being registered with the college and will be a student of the college ie ec or isu or uop or etc. once finished you will graduate from that college not the publishing company. you can even go to the college and walk the walk at graduation if you want to that is your choice.

now the differences between the two programs are this

cn/isu ec

nln accredited yes yes

accepted by every state? yes no**

clinicals yes 450hours a weekend

clinical testing? no yes

cost of cpne? none 1575.00

cost of program depends on pre reqs needed same

approx 5775.00. unsure

with cn/isu once you are enrolled in isu you do have to take the phases of nursing classes which are online but run with the school calendar. anotherwords the classes are fall/spring off summer.

now for the ** part ec is not accepted in ilinois, alabama, california and colorodo, also in washington state you have to take an additional 200 clinical hours before you sit for exam, in oklahoma you have to take 2 more classes maternity newborn and psych and mental health nursing before sitting for boards, and in georgia this is a kicker you have to test in another state and then have your license transferred through reciprocity.

i am not against one class or the other. i was going to start ec when it was regeants. i did not start. now i am going through cn only because i can go from lpn to my bsn and masters in a shorter period of time without having to go to the classroom. i need that due to work schedules and childcare etc. i choose to go through the publishing company first because that way i can do all my pre reqs as fast or as slow as i need and for me that is a positive. where if i enrolled directly into isu i would have to go by their schedule and etc.

as for no clinical time to put in ec only has a weekend possibly 2 weekends. so yes that one doesn't have much time and well isu is 450hours. other programs are longer or shorter as well.

ultimately it is each individual's choice. i received my study guide for sociology today and i will finish it fairly quickly no text book because the guide makes it so i dont' have to buy one. i love it. and its well written and i am excited.

i hope that people who have the thought that distance learning is a mail order diploma will see that there is a difference between distance learning and mail order learning. i know we have all seen the ads in the magazines be a vet assistant in 11 months, etc usually there is a celebrity endorsing the ad. they two programs are entirely different entities.

i wish every one success in the college, or publishing company/college combo that they choose. if anyone would like information from me about cn please contact me. i will gladly help you get to the right person to talk to.

jennifer022368:balloons:

ec and isu have the same accrediation. they both are accrediated by the nln and there own state boards. they also both carry regional accrediation. college network which is what i think you were refering to ,is a publishing company and does not grant degrees.

txspadequeenRN, BSN, RN · Oct 29, 2004

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first i have to say that we are all adults here i think. i was not trying to slam lpn/rn over her post. only to put facts out and question what she was saying. she clarified it and i thanked her for doing so in a private email. now to clear up some misconceptions i have spoken with ec and cn and i have some facts that some may not know.
the cn is a publishing program that has a contract with many different institutions. to get people ready to enter the institution so that we may receive a bonifide degree from that university or college. i.e. ec, isu, uop and so on it is not a "mail order diploma" that is a totally different thing than the distance learning that we receive through the colleges. mail order diplomas are like the ads you receive in the mail that say learn accounting and etc and get a diploma by mail. they have been around for a long time.
if you are in the publishing company's program you will finish and test out of all the credits you need to and then move into being registered with the college and will be a student of the college ie ec or isu or uop or etc. once finished you will graduate from that college not the publishing company. you can even go to the college and walk the walk at graduation if you want to that is your choice.
now the differences between the two programs are this
cn/isu ec
nln accredited yes yes
accepted by every state? yes no**
clinicals yes 450hours a weekend
clinical testing? no yes
cost of cpne? none 1575.00
cost of program depends on pre reqs needed same
approx 5775.00. unsure
with cn/isu once you are enrolled in isu you do have to take the phases of nursing classes which are online but run with the school calendar. anotherwords the classes are fall/spring off summer.
now for the ** part ec is not accepted in ilinois, alabama, california and colorodo, also in washington state you have to take an additional 200 clinical hours before you sit for exam, in oklahoma you have to take 2 more classes maternity newborn and psych and mental health nursing before sitting for boards, and in georgia this is a kicker you have to test in another state and then have your license transferred through reciprocity.
i am not against one class or the other. i was going to start ec when it was regeants. i did not start. now i am going through cn only because i can go from lpn to my bsn and masters in a shorter period of time without having to go to the classroom. i need that due to work schedules and childcare etc. i choose to go through the publishing company first because that way i can do all my pre reqs as fast or as slow as i need and for me that is a positive. where if i enrolled directly into isu i would have to go by their schedule and etc.
as for no clinical time to put in ec only has a weekend possibly 2 weekends. so yes that one doesn't have much time and well isu is 450hours. other programs are longer or shorter as well.
ultimately it is each individual's choice. i received my study guide for sociology today and i will finish it fairly quickly no text book because the guide makes it so i dont' have to buy one. i love it. and its well written and i am excited.
i hope that people who have the thought that distance learning is a mail order diploma will see that there is a difference between distance learning and mail order learning. i know we have all seen the ads in the magazines be a vet assistant in 11 months, etc usually there is a celebrity endorsing the ad. they two programs are entirely different entities.
i wish every one success in the college, or publishing company/college combo that they choose. if anyone would like information from me about cn please contact me. i will gladly help you get to the right person to talk to.
jennifer022368:balloons:

Tweety, BSN, RN · Oct 29, 2004

I would like to know about online RN to BSN programs as well. I hope to goodness there is one that won't cause a person to break the bank.

I hear you! I think the best way to save money is to go locally. There's a great RN to BSN program here that you can take online and it's very cheap because it's at the local community college, it's one of just a couple of bachelor's programs. However, it's also in sequence with the in-class students, so there is some traveling. Like during the assessment class you have to appear once in person at the end with a volunteer and do a head-to-toe assessment. Plus there's local clinic work in public health, family practicums, etc.

I was in it, but working nights I'm not about doing much outside work for school.

I'm sure there's a very cheap online RN to BSN program somewhere with no clinical component. But to really save money, I think one has to be flexible and be able to attend the campus when necessary. Bummer. :rotfl:

I hope to attend an RN to BSN program next Janurary, but I'm paying double what I was paying at the local community college. It's still cheaper than some, but I'm paying for the convenience of going when I choose and not going out to the community. From what I've researched it's a give and take kind of thing, one has to make sacrifices, or to be flexible. Again, bummer since I'm basically cheap and lazy. Fortunately my employers has $2,000/year tuition reimbursement. That will help.