Literacy: A good quality in a unit secretary

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this is a vent. this is only a vent.

our unit secretaries are lovely women. but so far as i've noticed, none of them (well, maybe one of them) can read or write or do "complicated math." you know, stuff like "we have 16 beds and 15 patients plus 2 in the or and three transfers out. how many beds will we have available at 7 pm?"

if you're in an isolation room doing a sterile dressing change or trying to stem the river of poop your patient is disgorging, and someone wants to talk to you on the phone, the secretaries page overhead "ruby, you have a phone call on line 1." followed immediately by "ruby, it's line 3." (they cannot even keep straight which line your call is on, which causes a lot of hard feelings from family members who have to hold forever and then get the wrong nurse and have to hold some more.) if you don't answer your call immediately, they'll page again. it seems they cannot be separated from facebook long enough to get up, come to the door of your room and find out why you aren't answering the phone. nor will they take messages. i only recently discovered that two of the secretaries don't take messages because they cannot read or write and the other two think it's beneath them.

i've always known our secretaries couldn't spell. you'd be surprised how many ways they can "spell" ruby. (roobee, rubbee, rubbie, rube, etc.) but it wasn't until, in a housekeeping frenzy, our manager rearranged all the forms at the secretary's desk that i realized they couldn't read. they had memorized the location of the forms they'd need and just grabbed them. it helped that so many of the forms were color coded.

now management is requiring a literacy test before hiring unit secretaries. i think it's a marvelous idea, but you would not believe how much resistance it's getting. you would think that literacy would be a job requirement. not so much, i guess.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.

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i'm jealous that you have ward clerks. even illiterate people can photocopy and answer phones. i'll take your rejects. ;-)

yes, they will answer the phone, page you to come to the phone and about half of the time get either the line or the nurse wrong. so you extricate yourself from your patient to pick up the phone only to discover that they want marvin rather than ruby. i don't think they can read either the patient names or the nurse's names off the board. and photocopying is evidently not in their job description!

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
hey ruby, i haven't read all the posts here.

i am a rn and have been a unit secretary (doing different jobs/departments) in hospitals for 25 years. i ran a busy plastics, burns and reconstructive surgery unit and it was frantically hectic and unbelievably stressful. i worked with numerous surgeons (not just plastic surgeons), anaesthetists, neurosurgeons, registrars, etc round most of the hospital and could hardly keep track of theatre lists, let alone who i had to cancel and re-schedule. theatre lists are an absolute nightmare to do. plus we had roughly 200+ phone calls a day, dr's wanting typing done, pre-and post op appointments to do, complaints from surgeons, patients & families, the usual admin work, trying to find anaesthetists/surgeons to cover lists when drs rang in sick, ensuring the correct prostheses were ordered and in the right theatre for day of surgery, etc. then when a list got cancelled, i would try to get hold of patients & if that didn't work, they would would turn up only to find their surgery wasn't on & that would create more stress. the pay was also pitiful for all the responsibity we had. i haven't even listed a third of the things i had to do.

i don't know what specific duties ur unit secretaries have to do, but i would say my old job was in many ways more stressful than nursing. try dealing with angry/upset surgeons all day!

and how can a unit secretary not read or write at all??

i have done both sides of the job, and it's not as easy as you think. though i agree they should be literate.

remember all jobs can be very stressful. we as nurses make mistakes too.

i don't think it's an easy job if you actually do the job. i, too spent time as a usc when i injured my knee. our secretaries are either on facebook or their cell phones all day, so i have little sympathy for their many mistakes. the fact that they don't care about making a mistake makes my blood boil.

Specializes in Health Information Management.
Hey Ruby, I haven't read all the posts here.

I am a RN and have been a unit secretary (doing different jobs/departments) in hospitals for 25 years. I ran a busy plastics, burns and reconstructive surgery unit and it was frantically hectic and unbelievably stressful. I worked with numerous surgeons (not just plastic surgeons), anaesthetists, neurosurgeons, registrars, etc round most of the hospital and could hardly keep track of theatre lists, let alone who I had to cancel and re-schedule. Theatre lists are an absolute nightmare to do. Plus we had roughly 200+ phone calls a day, Dr's wanting typing done, pre-and post op appointments to do, complaints from surgeons, patients & families, the usual admin work, trying to find anaesthetists/surgeons to cover lists when Drs rang in sick, ensuring the correct prostheses were ordered and in the right theatre for day of surgery, etc. Then when a list got cancelled, I would try to get hold of patients & if that didn't work, they would would turn up only to find their surgery wasn't on & that would create more stress. The pay was also pitiful for all the responsibity we had. I haven't even listed a third of the things I had to do.

I don't know what specific duties ur unit secretaries have to do, but I would say my old job was in many ways more stressful than nursing. Try dealing with angry/upset surgeons all day!

And how can a unit secretary not read or write at all??

I have done both sides of the job, and it's not as easy as you think. Though I agree they should be literate.

Remember all jobs can be very stressful. We as nurses make mistakes too.

That's just the thing - I would expect a unit secretary's job to be fairly stressful and demanding! I don't understand how it couldn't be. So I'm really confused as to how someone who is illiterate could A. land a job like that and B. possibly do a job like that over an extended period. It seems like a role that absolutely requires a certain level of literacy. That's why the situation at Ruby's facility is bizarre to me.

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yes, they will answer the phone, page you to come to the phone and about half of the time get either the line or the nurse wrong. so you extricate yourself from your patient to pick up the phone only to discover that they want marvin rather than ruby. i don't think they can read either the patient names or the nurse's names off the board. and photocopying is evidently not in their job description!

ours are fab. they answer phones, file notes, run around doing thousands of things, take messages and just generally make life easier.

Specializes in M/S, MICU, CVICU, SICU, ER, Trauma, NICU.

I think retraining is needed here.

Otherwise, ban the internet, except for medical related websites.

Time for the cell phones to be put away, and perhaps intrahospital phones (ASCOMS..will help with the constant phone calls).

Specializes in PACU, OR.
So happy to live in WV, where almost everyone knows how to read and write. There's something to be said for a hopelessly outdated school system.

WV=West Virginia?

Just interested in your "hopelessly outdated" school system; I presume this is NOT the "outcomes based" system?

If it is OBL, it would have to be the first country/state/area where the ****** thing works. Despite growing complaints from parents and increasing evidence that the "new" educational system is leading to illiterate school leavers, authorities refuse to ditch it and restore the system that worked for thousands of years.

Ward clerks who cannot read, write or spell properly are a symptom of a larger problem. One of the previous posts referred to the "dumbing down" of America; trust me, it's not confined to the USA, it's everywhere you find this OBL system!

Hubby teaches part time in a Tertiary college. With rare exceptions, these youngsters can barely read; if you can't read, you can't study History, Biology (except the practical side!), Physics, even Maths....and we expect these kids to be able to get a tertiary qualification and start earning their own money?

Thank goodness my two finished school before this Outcomes based nonsense was introduced here; I'd have had to sell my house to put them through private schools, which hang on to the old methods.

Do I need to mention that our local politicians who propound this OBL send their kids to private schools?

Specializes in long term care, alzheimer's, ltc rehab.

I've read through this thread a couple of times...I'm a unit secretary and would like to weigh in...I run 2 units at night and most nights are pretty manageable...then I have the bad nights where I have multiple admits (one night I had as many as FIVE...that may not seem like a lot to some of you, but keep in mind I work in a 32-bed hospital lol.) I check for and transcribe orders, make up 24-hour flow sheets, make up admission packets, make up extra physician order packets for stuffing the chart (just about everything is on paper for right now...the only things computerized so far are meds and I&Os.), pull progress notes, order x-rays, blood for transfusions, and labs, and on top of all this, I have to keep an eye on the telemetry monitors (whew...sounds exhausting, doesn't it?)

NOW, for night shift, there's only one secretary for the whole hospital. Days has 3...and I'm convinced they're literate because there are some that don't get their work done most of the time, but they can sure as hell read their facebook and ebay!! :madface:

Ruby, if you are ever in the Columbus, Ohio area and in need of a GOOD UC, let me know!! :woot:

Oh man! I couldn't believe this Ruby. Is this an urban or rural area? I feel for you.

Specializes in Public Health, TB.

Our newer UCs can read but apparently have zero medical terminology training. In the last week alone I have seen the following errors:

Dilantin level assumed to be a med

VQ scan ordered as a Myoview

abd flat plate as a chest CT

Not to mention all the questions I answer about abbreviations:FSBG AC AND HS, how many times a day is that?

but they can read, I think, just not MD handwriting =(

Specializes in Telemetry, Med-Surg, ED, Psych.

One of the unit secretaries we used to have was a very beautiful young lady. She was thoughtful most of the time and polite, but an airhead and very unenlightened. She did not know or had no clue as to why I could not answer the phone. Mind you, this is a busy Med/Surg/Oncology unit with intentional short staffing. Here I am fist deep inside a patients rectum disimpacting them with a river of semi-solid C-Diff deliciousness all around me, and the unit secretary wants me to take a call NOW.

UGH!!!

How is it possible to graduate high school illiterate?

Happens all the time.

This is the time of schools accommodating any multiple of students--and sometimes at the expense of "old school" parents who need to advocate well for their learning disabled kids to have extra help. Which is near impossible. Seems as if the worst behaved a child is, the more accommodated they are--with a focus on behaving appropriately as opposed to anything else. Reading is not done phonetically as days of old--it is all using "picture clues" and other useless stuff that just doesn't work for all kids. Students don't have to be well read. They can do "projects" and don't squash their creativity and damage self esteem.....

Then add computers that one can you tube anything, and it explains and shows. Spell check, even now programs that you talk and it types. And at a high school level, pretty intense computer whiz kids that can cut and paste their way through any number of papers--and the newest versions of what we used to call "Cliff Notes" that are encouraged to be put in use.

Text speak has become the new norm. AND if one can text with the slang used, no need to spell.

(Very tounge in cheek----->) Ruby, you could ask them to text you your messages---imagine it--" Red, dude holla @ ya. Digits--5551111245 TTYL grl!"

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