Going through nursing school, I have to say that it's overwhelming. They throw a ton of information at you all at once, most of which aren't on the exams (they don't tell you what information will be on the exams, either). It's so overwhelming that sometimes I think you have to be a genius just to pass these classes.
Then I meet nurses who are... well, let's just say they're not the brightest people I've ever met. Some of them have horrible grammer (they couldn't pass a 4th grade english class for the life of them), can't do math, and just have absolutely no common sense whatsoever. I worry for the people that these nurses take care of.
I've also seen some people post on this very site, posting things that don't make any sense with horrible grammer and exhibit no intelligence whatsoever... yet they're nurses. How the hell does that happen?
No disrespect meant towards anyone whatsoever, I'm not trying to upset anyone, but let's face facts, there are some less-than-average nurses out there, so how do they do it? Admittedly, I don't see them very often, but they're out there. That just scares me and confuses me at the same time.
It may have seemed unnecessary to you, but not to me!
Though I must say that it's interesting to me, that someone spending their time judging others' levels of intelligence and being downright rude and insulting about the aforementioned level of (or lack thereof) intelligence in some nurses, wasn't seen as unnecessary by you.
Anyway, I felt it necessary to make a point, without being insulting.
I find the flunky nurses inspirational. If they can make it through nursing school, so can I! I have no doubt I'll feel differently when we are co-workers. :)
You certainly WILL feel different about it when your out of school and those flunky nurses are on your team. This is how it feels!
i would like to say that i have horrible grammar and i'm an average speller. does that make me a "less than average nurse"? no! i was raised around people who had horrible grammar and it has been hard to break the pattern. my grammar is better than my friends and family but i still struggle. to make matters worse i had a terrible stutter all through elementary school! although my stutter has improved i still stutter occasionally (when i am extremely angry). does that make me a "less than average nurse"? no! it means that i have areas i need to work on. i know doctors who have horrible grammar and spelling but they are excellent intelligent doctors.
also, you don't have to have perfect grammar to get through nursing school. nor do you have to have perfect spelling to get through nursing school. have you ever considered the students might actually understand and retain the material even though they have grammar issues? also, when people post questions on a blog site there are usually grammar issues because they try to shorthand.
i would like to say that i have horrible grammar and i'm an average speller. does that make me a "less than average nurse"? no! i was raised around people who had horrible grammar and it has been hard to break the pattern. my grammar is better than my friends and family but i still struggle. to make matters worse i had a terrible stutter all through elementary school! although my stutter has improved i still stutter occasionally (when i am extremely angry). does that make me a "less than average nurse"? no! it means that i have areas i need to work on. i know doctors who have horrible grammar and spelling but they are excellent intelligent doctors.
also, you don't have to have perfect grammar to get through nursing school. nor do you have to have perfect spelling to get through nursing school. have you ever considered the students might actually understand and retain the material even though they have grammar issues? also, when people post questions on a blog site there are usually grammar issues because they try to shorthand.
i would also like to add, that there are some very mechanically and technologically gifted individuals (such as my husband and 2 special needs sons to name a few) that are brilliant in many other areas besides spelling and grammar! there are plenty that excel in one area and are completely lacking in another. so i definitely agree!
i have seen many accomplished and gifted nurses that have a horrible time with spelling and grammar (and teachers, as well...............)
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i belive...with my poor english grammar...lool, that we will be not able to discuss about intelligence if we not define the intelligence....because the intelligence has involved many abilities...
see the definition..." intelligence is an umbrella term used to describe a property of the mind that encompasses many related abilities, such as the capacities to reason, to plan, to solve problems, to think abstractly, to comprehend ideas, to use language, and to learn. there are several ways to define intelligence. in some cases, intelligence may include traits such as creativity, personality, character, knowledge, or wisdom. however there is no agreement on which traits define the phenomenon of intelligence agreed upon by a majority across the various concerned disciplines."
mastering the language is just one...i am so so so sorry (from my personal opinion) that i wasn't born here and also that i started to learn english just couple of years ago...but speaking and communicating with you in the way that i can do it now in just 5 years of english speaking in all my life... i truly belive that is a fact that i pass, flagging, your clasification of intelligent and dumb, looooool.
backing to our discussion... are a lot of theories related intelligence that need to be studied, if you are really interested, are different facets of intelligence, expressed in real life....different type of intelligence required for different jobs positions....i seen in my life people extremely intelligents but mental sick, very very sick, and people considered by others "dumbs" because they are not gifted with "social intelligence" or emotinal one decresead but they are beautifull minds when you know them....closely
be very very carefull when you use "low intelligent" term with anyone.... i am so sure that someone could tell the same about you ....choose carefully your terms before to open the mouth....this is a proof of intelligence, looool, for sure.
I think too many people are entirely missing the point. It's not about your insecurities, people. Stop cherry picking the post and hearing what you want to hear. My message is very straight forward and the first five posters or so understood what I was saying, I'm not sure where everything got lost in translation.
Again, as I detailed in my second post, everyone has their strong/weak areas and people make mistakes, this HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
It seems as if the point was entirely lost and everyone is stepping into defend these hypothetical figures. What's funny is that even though we haven't pointed fingers or used specific examples, everyone is quick to defend these people. I've noticed this in other threads as well. Perhaps you guys haven't experienced these same people that this thread is pointing out. They're out there, whether or not you want to acknowledge it, you just aren't understand exactly -who- we're talking about.
Some of these responses on the last couple pages or so are making me lol pretty hard given the context of the thread.
i think too many people are entirely missing the point. it's not about your insecurities, people. you're right--it isn't about personal insecurities....it's about whether or not you have the right to judge others--btw, you don't.
again, as i detailed in my second post, everyone has their strong/weak areas and people make mistakes, this has nothing to do with that. i don't think that's what has some people upset.....
it seems as if the point was entirely lost and everyone is stepping into defend these hypothetical figures. what's funny is that even though we haven't pointed fingers or used specific examples, everyone is quick to defend these people. i've noticed this in other threads as well. perhaps you guys haven't experienced these same people that this thread is pointing out. they're out there, whether or not you want to acknowledge it, you just aren't understand exactly -who- we're talking about. again, with your assumptions that everyone who isn't agreeing w/you just doesn't "understand." the point is that you do not have the right to judge another.......my husband and 2 sons are horrible spellers, as well as being unable to properly use grammar....but my husband is mechanically brilliant and has not only served this country through several deployments he is also very intelligent in many other areas in life
some of these responses on the last couple pages or so are making me lol pretty hard given the context of the thread. the context is that you are holding yourself above everyone, making the judgments from on high, concerning what is acceptable in regards to the level of intelligence that nurses possess or display. i can see the potential for this thread to turn ugly, so i will refrain from commenting or answering to this particular subject or thread again. i wish you more enlightenment and acceptance of others; you will need it as a nurse i'm sure............
i will leave you with a few pearls of wisdom:
“continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential” winston churchill
“i know that i am intelligent, because i know that i know nothing.” socrates
you're right--it isn't about personal insecurities....it's about whether or not you have the right to judge others-.
unfortunately, not everyone was created equal, that's a fact of life. not everyone is "balanced". maybe you've never seem these people, or when you did you either ignored it or just made excuses for these people, but at the very least, the first few posters in this thread knew the type that i was talking about. you clearly don't, so stop making the same assumptions that you're accusing me of, okay?
i don't think that's what has some people upset.....
it's clearly what has you upset.
again, with your assumptions that everyone who isn't agreeing w/you just doesn't "understand." the point is that you do not have the right to judge another.......my husband and 2 sons are horrible spellers, as well as being unable to properly use grammar....but my husband is mechanically brilliant and has not only served this country through several deployments he is also very intelligent in many other areas in life
another indictation that you're clearly missing the point of my post is that you keep falling back on this whole grammar thing with your husband and kids. that has nothing to do with this discussion. you've stated that these people are intelligent in other aspects of life (a point which i clearly addressed in my second post) so that automatically disqualifies them from being one of the people we're talking about here, but you don't seem to understand that. so yes, it was to do with you not understanding as i stated. just because you think you're being noble doesn't mean that you're flawless and aren't understanding what i'm trying to get at.
I've also seen some people post on this very site, posting things that don't make any sense with horrible grammer and exhibit no intelligence whatsoever... yet they're nurses. How the hell does that happen?
By the way, grammer is spelled grammar. Use your spell check
This is how it feels!
greenfiremajick
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It may have seemed unnecessary to you, but not to me!
Though I must say that it's interesting to me, that someone spending their time judging others' levels of intelligence and being downright rude and insulting about the aforementioned level of (or lack thereof) intelligence in some nurses, wasn't seen as unnecessary by you.
Anyway, I felt it necessary to make a point, without being insulting.