First,I am new so Hello everyone. I graduated on May/09 with ADN, I am currently enrolled in BSN. Meanwhile I am actively looking for jobs here in NY. I got 3 interview so far and still waiting a response. Anyway, during my job hunting I noticed that , Nursing recruiter highly disregard ADN, one hospital I was told no longer the hospital accepts ADN, other hospital hired on the spot the girls with BSN, the other 4 of us with ADN were told we will get a call on the decesion. Dont get me wrong its very important to go higher on education, but Nursing is different, ADN holders are licenced RN's, if we are licenced that means we are qualified to work. So why make us take NCLEX just to be turn away ? Why give us the title RN, then tell us we are not good enough? Most manhattan hospitals did not even to accept my resume! Does everyone out there have my experience? I am highly furstrated ............. I think it should be illegal to turn away ADN, as long as we are professional registered nurse? don't you all think so????
This seasoned nurse with a BSN hasn't been able to find a job since applying for positions two months ago. The job market is just rotten for everyone right now - ADN, BSN, LPN, GN, experienced or inexperienced nurses - it's probably worse than it's ever been. It's a total buyer's (i.e., employer's) market and we just have to put up with it right now.
It will change (due to demographics, etc.), just not anytime soon. One possible exception: If swine flu hits really bad, they may suddenly start hiring
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I am an ASN grad, my sister is a BSN grad, I KNOW for a fact I had more clinical time than her. Some programs have more, some have less. I took the NCLEX-RN one time and passed, my sister the BSN grad had to take it four times until she passed. I know plenty of ASN and BSN grads that know squat, and it's like, "How did you ever become an RN?!?!" More often than not, it's all about the person, and not the program. For instance, a hospital that has a choice between a new ASN grad and a new BSN grad might make the wrong choice and miss out just by picking the BSN grad just because they have a BSN, and the ASN grad could be way more smarter and a better employee than the BSN grad. People should be evaluated on more than just the degree they have.
I am an ASN grad, my sister is a BSN grad, I KNOW for a fact I had more clinical time than her. Some programs have more, some have less. I took the NCLEX-RN one time and passed, my sister the BSN grad had to take it four times until she passed. I know plenty of ASN and BSN grads that know squat, and it's like, "How did you ever become an RN?!?!" More often than not, it's all about the person, and not the program. For instance, a hospital that has a choice between a new ASN grad and a new BSN grad might make the wrong choice and miss out just by picking the BSN grad just because they have a BSN, and the ASN grad could be way more smarter and a better employee than the BSN grad. People should be evaluated on more than just the degree they have.
Actually according to statistics the NCSBN BSNs have a higher NCLEX pass rate than ADNs so your example is of a small minority............ If position candidates are not chosen based on degrees than what would be the point of going to school.. some person of the street could be like " I'm a great person and I know how to put band aides on real good" but not be qualified or what the employer is looking for, the Degree is earned and not handed out and reflects the quality of education.
Specializes in Psychiatric, Detox/Rehab, Geriatrics.
Actually according to statistics the NCSBN BSNs have a higher NCLEX pass rate than ADNs so your example is of a small minority............ If position candidates are not chosen based on degrees than what would be the point of going to school.. some person of the street could be like " I'm a great person and I know how to put band aides on real good" but not be qualified or what the employer is looking for, the Degree is earned and not handed out and reflects the quality of education.
I SAID people should be evaluated on more than just the degree they have. Meaning, they should take other things into consideration than just the person's degree. YES having a degree is necessary, BUT also evaluating other things should be done also.
Specializes in Psychiatric, Detox/Rehab, Geriatrics.
Actually according to statistics the NCSBN BSNs have a higher NCLEX pass rate than ADNs so your example is of a small minority............ If position candidates are not chosen based on degrees than what would be the point of going to school.. some person of the street could be like " I'm a great person and I know how to put band aides on real good" but not be qualified or what the employer is looking for, the Degree is earned and not handed out and reflects the quality of education.
ALSO, the point of my original post was to show that each individual is different, and shouldn't be judged solely on whether they have an ASN or BSN.
I agree that grads should be evaluated on more than their degree, but I think they already are. If a hospital decides they want a certain level of education, they have plenty of BSNs they can sort through to find the ones who have great recommendations, passed the NCLEX on their first try, had a high GPA in school, already have a few years experience, interviewed really well, can balance on one foot while patting their head and rubbing their belly, etc.
I think this is what DeLana_RN means when saying it's a buyer's market- hospitals can be as picky as they choose and still wind up with great hires that fit all of their requirements because they have such a large applicant pool to work with. Not all hospitals will choose to narrow their applicant pool by degree level, but currently the ones who do don't seem to be suffering for it.
That is why I am considering getting my BSN since I already have a bachelor's. You should be able to find employment if everything stayed the same, but things seem to be changing drastically with our economy. And if/when you need to go back to school, your diploma credits very likely won't transfer for a BSN and you will have to start from scratch. Take a look at the curriculum for BSN nursing degrees at the universities where you might attend, talk with the advisors, and see for yourself. I have and have ruled out a diploma program for this reason.
You guys are making me worried because I'm just starting a Diploma/ADN program in a few weeks (I already have a degree in something else). I hope I'm not making a mistake....if this is already happening now....what's going to happen in 2 years from now?!
Specializes in Psychiatric, Detox/Rehab, Geriatrics.
I have no problems with either having an ASN or BSN. I am glad I got my ASN when I did and wouldn't have done it any other way. I am going to be starting an RN-BSN program soon as I want to get my MSN eventually. If I didn't want my MSN though, I would not go back for a BSN.
That is why I am considering getting my BSN since I already have a bachelor's. You should be able to find employment if everything stayed the same, but things seem to be changing drastically with our economy. And if/when you need to go back to school, your diploma credits very likely won't transfer for a BSN and you will have to start from scratch. Take a look at the curriculum for BSN nursing degrees at the universities where you might attend, talk with the advisors, and see for yourself. I have and have ruled out a diploma program for this reason.
RN to BSN programs are not designed for two year college RNs only, but ALL diploma and Associate nursing degree holders. There are thousands of diploma graduates that attended nursing programs all over the United States who have gone on to obtain not only a BSN, but MSN and PhD in nursing.
Okay, that makes me feel slightly better....I'll get whatever job I can get and then slowly work towards a BSN because I do eventually want a MSN. It's just impractical for me to spend another 3 years getting a BSN at the moment. I've already wasted 4 years getting a pointless degree for something else. I need a paycheck.
First, I want to say how thankful I am for all you!! The response was fast, welcoming and informative. The point I was trying to make was that having to have the same licence makes us qualify!! But I can understand the more clinical hours, but again I have a good amount of clinical hours as well. One of the nursing recruiter the reason she gave me was because they are considered to be magnet! And I think thats the number one reason, I think it looks good to have BSN's....... if she would have told me I don't have much clinical hours I would understand!! Thans why I am furstrating.
Another issue I have is that, like I said I am enrolled in the BSN program, orginally i did not put that in my resume, but upon seeing 2 hospitals preferr either BSN or enrolled BSN I put it in. However, one of teh hospitals I interviewd at first she sound excited that I am in the BSN program, then she stress that she is worried how I am going to manage going to school and a job.So I told her , if i get the job I am willing to take a semester off and I can arrange my shedule in the future. I hope she believed me, i am still wating for a phone call, a phone call she assured me i will get for 2nd interview with the nurse manager.
But now I am worried, actually putting enrolled in BSN program in my resume could hurt me, because they think they have to go extra mile to work my schedule so I can go to school( One of the other point the nursing recruiter pointed), not putting also could hurt because hospitals need to see that an individual is working to improve....etc. Anyway, I have 2 resumes now, one with one without!!I try to get as much info as possible about the place I apply to send which one!!what a headache!!
Anyway, thank you all again and I will update you guys in my progress!!!
If they are looking at magnet status this may play into it. The number of nurses educated at higher levels "looks" better. I was on a committee at my old hospital and they looked heavily at how many nurses had PHd, MSN, MS, BSN, ADN and how we could have more tuition reimbursement so we could increase those going back to school for BSN and above.
DeLana_RN, BSN, RN
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This seasoned nurse with a BSN hasn't been able to find a job since applying for positions two months ago. The job market is just rotten for everyone right now - ADN, BSN, LPN, GN, experienced or inexperienced nurses - it's probably worse than it's ever been. It's a total buyer's (i.e., employer's) market and we just have to put up with it right now.
It will change (due to demographics, etc.), just not anytime soon. One possible exception: If swine flu hits really bad, they may suddenly start hiring
Good luck to all of us,
DeLana