Is it true that a BSN will be mandatory soon?

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An instructor of mine (I'm in another state) stated that she recently went to a national educators conference and that they were saying that within the next several years in NY it would be mandatory to have your BSN. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks

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Is there anyone here that that can see a problem with this post????? Are you saying that because someone is on the welfare system that they are not able to function in a position that requires "much schooling"...and please explain to me what a "functional group of people "really is... Now I have only read about 80% of the post on this thread but this to me just stands out like e sore thumb....and while I am a horrible speller ..let me point out it's "profession"....:rolleyes:

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying "as a group". Obviously, there are many exceptions to the group. I did say that a lot of them probably wouldn't be suitable for the taxpayer to attempt to put through four years of college. That does not mean all of them. A "functional" person does not have lots of children without the means to support them - period. We all have the the responsibility to care for our kids whether our husbands die or divorce us, and exercising that responsibility means having some education in case you have to work. That's functional. However, when someone does have four children and the state deems this woman educable and worth the investment, should they all be herded into nursing? I don't demean other occupations that don't require the full four years of school. That's your interpretation. I depend on all sorts of other people to take care of me besides nurses and I except them to be competent. Yes, their job requires less education, but it does require intelligence and commitment. It just doesn't require four years of college. I can't imagine having four kids to take care of and going to school and working. I think that that's a lot to ask of anyone, just for the sake of getting them off of welfare.

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It will stop when you get BSN. If this is what the market is requesting, then you'll have to get it, or be content with a job with differing requirements. I don't know if its a good idea to fill the "proffession" with people on the welfare rolls. Some of them are there because they made incredibly bad choices and they're still not seeing the light. I'd prefer recruiting from a more functional group of people. There is plenty of work that they can do in satellite fields that wouldn't require so much schooling and time away from their children. If you love nursing and talking about "if I have to go back to school", then why not stay with something you love and get more job security at the same time? Good luck. You've had to do an awful lot of moving which I know is stressful. I hope you get the job you want.

i resemble that statement lol - literally - in my opinion this is a prejudice judgemental statement- just because some ( and i see you use the word some - so i dont understand , if you agree its only "some " , why you would rather not give the rest a chance :confused: ) are chronic does not mean all dysfunctional families want to stay that way., ALL of us have made bad choices at some time in our lives - NOONE can say they have never ever made a bad choice , even if it was only when they were kids, and i dont know a single child who NEVER makes a bad choice at some time. yeah - there is a great deal of dysfunction but a lot of it comes from the fact that you cant raise your kids in a "satellite fields" with the amount of money you make as well as if you had a degree. many folks on welfare have made bad choices ( i did mysself way back when :sniff: ) and some are there due to situations they themsleves did not even create - like wives who leave abusive husbands and have been stay at home moms so have a rough time getting into the workforce - but given half a chance i believe most of them would also turn ther lives around if they could - come to think of it - i still havea very dysfunctional family and life at different times and i seem to be getting along fairly well.

also in my opinion - just beacuse someone may be "more functional" in the terms your talking ie : family and life - does not mean they wold make a better nurse- many of the best nurses i know are that - the best - because they HAVE gone through the dysfunctional aspect at one time or another which gave them a better understanding of the dynamocs bbetween dysfunctional and not dysfunctional and are able to be more compassionate. and a lot of the worst nurses i know claim they have never been in any type of dysfunctional arena in their life - they act cold and hard and nasty and judgemental towards the disadvantaged.

also any profession says you HAVE to be higher just to get a job in my oopinion is where there is dysfunction - they can talk it all they want but it is never gonna happen just as they never phased out the lpn's - all types of nurses are needed to make various facilities run efficiently - and unless they are a big hospital with lots of bucks - the small hositals are not gonna take us just cause we get a higher degree - they cant afford that - getting a higher degree does not gaureentee a higher wage but it does gaureentee bigger headaches than we already have ( ie management type BS that personally they can have and shove where the sun doesnt shine lol) - il stick with my adn and be happy - they make it required to go higher in rank so to speak - i will quit as well as many others will and then they will be hurting even more than they are now for nurses. just my opinion. thanks.

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No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying "as a group". Obviously, there are many exceptions to the group. I did say that a lot of them probably wouldn't be suitable for the taxpayer to attempt to put through four years of college. That does not mean all of them. A "functional" person does not have lots of children without the means to support them - period. We all have the the responsibility to care for our kids whether our husbands die or divorce us, and exercising that responsibility means having some education in case you have to work. That's functional. However, when someone does have four children and the state deems this woman educable and worth the investment, should they all be herded into nursing? I don't demean other occupations that don't require the full four years of school. That's your interpretation. I depend on all sorts of other people to take care of me besides nurses and I except them to be competent. Yes, their job requires less education, but it does require intelligence and commitment. It just doesn't require four years of college. I can't imagine having four kids to take care of and going to school and working. I think that that's a lot to ask of anyone, just for the sake of getting them off of welfare.

you are right its a lot to go to school with 4 kids and work full time which i am grateful the "welfare sytem" was there ( and by the way its not always 4 yrs - it can be 2 or 3) - many states have taken that away and many women who are working are stuck in dead end jobs at minimum wage trying to raise 4 kids cause they cant do it all and something has to gnot happen, so its school goes, without any help from "taxpayers" - oh and yeah one point id like to make is many on "welfare " have already piad into thier taxpayers status for a long time before tragedy hits and they need help. putting welfare recipients and talking of them as a "group" is like saying because bad people in the black ( or white or latino etc. , as it seems we have those 2 these days or eneter whatever nationality you wish) ghetto areas makes all blacks ( or whatever nationality you choose ) are bad..... or another example is like saying just because one is of iranian or iraquie heritage that they are automatically terrorists .... just my opinion.

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imho, there's just no way it's going to be "mandatory" anytime anywhere soon with such a shortage. :chair:

and i don't mean just in actual practicing nurses, but in nursing school spaces. right now, there are 3-4 year waiting lists and there was a story recently stating that most programs turn away otherwise qualified students. how do they expect everyone who dreams of being a nurse to get in? :nurse:

professional prestige or whatever, practical concerns about serving the public (and the nursing students) come into play. :smilecoffeecup:

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personally i have no interest to research anything that has nothing to do with what im doing - and if it does have to do with what im doing isnt that what the bsn shoudl be doing and inservicing and teaching me this stuff?

Huh??????????????

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descarte: I am confused by your post. You've insinuated that you've been inculcated with EBP and appreciate the application of research to practice, then you go on to say that nursing care is largely "intuitive." When you get out in the real world, you'll find yourself constantly questioning how things are done, based on the evidence; that is where your research skills are applied and, if you want to keep up, you're going to have to constantly review the research literature. I don't see anything "intuitive" about that.

I'm confused by this post as well.

What's wrong with having the research to support a course of interventions that a nurse assembled based upon his or her intuition?

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Huh??????????????

WHAT ?????? may I suggest therapy .:chair:

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Last time I trained a BSN student in an ICU setting, she said , I'm only here to observe the vent. So I sat a chair down in front of the vent and said if that red ligt beeps three times come get me, if the yellow alarms run for cover. Let me know right away if a monkey comes out of the back door. Mean while my ADN student had assesed her pt, and was working on documentation that was excellent I might add. I went to a diploma school , my instructors would have had a feild day with a comment like that. Let me re phrase that, I would not have been stupid enough to say that to my instuctors. I was ready to tell her about the vent at 6:30 in the morning before I even walked in to see the pt. as well as the med the DX, treatments etc...

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WHAT ?????? may I suggest therapy .:chair:

dont know if this was directed at me or the other poster - if it was me - i will attempt to explain my position further after showing the next posters post and answer that at the same time - that post was

"What's wrong with having the research to support a course of interventions that a nurse assembled based upon his or her intuition?"

my answer is there is nothing wrong with having the research - i will gladly read any reserch pointed out to me and utilize what is mandated or i find brings me extra time for my residents - however i do not have time to research someones idea of a better idea or way to do something - i do not wish to do reseaerch either as it would take what little precious time i have with my residents to do so - i will stick with tried and true methods at this time and praise anyone who likes to do research when they do it.

however as i stated i will gladly look at and consider anyone elses research that is offered to me :)

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I will admit, I did not read this whole thread. I am sure it is full of people saying it will never happen, bad idea, and so on.

I think it is a good idea.

I always hear how nurses are not always treated as a professional, with valuable input.

Why should they be treated as such.

If you want to be treated as a professional, and paid a professional wage, then a professional degree should be required.

And in almost all settings, a professional degree is a bachelor's degree.

An associates degree is usually thought of as a less than professional degree.

So, instead of complaining that a BSN requirement is too much, embrace the idea, push for implementation of a BSN requirement, and then demand to be treated with equality in the professional arena!

ct

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dont know if this was directed at me or the other poster - if it was me - i will attempt to explain my position further after showing the next posters post and answer that at the same time - that post was

"What's wrong with having the research to support a course of interventions that a nurse assembled based upon his or her intuition?"

my answer is there is nothing wrong with having the research - i will gladly read any reserch pointed out to me and utilize what is mandated or i find brings me extra time for my residents - however i do not have time to research someones idea of a better idea or way to do something - i do not wish to do reseaerch either as it would take what little precious time i have with my residents to do so - i will stick with tried and true methods at this time and praise anyone who likes to do research when they do it.

however as i stated i will gladly look at and consider anyone elses research that is offered to me :)

Ahhh. Now I understand. Thanks for clearing things up.

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My state is considering making a requirement that ADN's earn their BSN within 10y or have license revoked or suspended. I am fortunate to be able to continue into an RN to BSN program. But what about those that choose not to or may not be able to? Will hospitals do more to assist with tuition and books? Will a decrease in pay be seen for ADN's? Will decrease in pay for ADN's equal less responsibility? Will the increase in pay for a BSN still remain low (some only $0.50/hr)? Will this requirement contribute to an exponentially increasing nursing shortage. Effect agency or travel nursing? One may ask if eventually only BSN will be able to receive his or her license. I believe this will be a hotbed for debate. I also believe this may cause more descention amongst the troops, per say.

Does anyone else have this occuring with their BON?

If I am not mistaken the initial call for this nationwide came out in 1965, from the AACN. I guess it really, really takes a long time to put it to action. It is no where near happening in my home state of IL.

Gen

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