MAN and Inexperienced Registered Nurses

  1. To all forumers,

    This is the exact predicament I am in right now. Very young inexpriences RN populates nursing schools.
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  3. by   rogue2578
    Meaning, fresh graduates/ RN board passer pursuing MAN.
    Im not exactly in this category, Im a second courser with a Respiratory therapy experience.

    Any thoughts about our young, dynamic fresh board passer nurses wishing to advance into the PhD , EdD level in no time.

    In my humble opinion, its premature to allow these student to predominate the Graduate School population. Before considering them for acceptance they should have at least 1 years of professional / hospital experience. Or in any allied health sector if Nursing is not their first course.

    Any comments? I would appreciate to know other's opinions.
    Do you think they're after the money these student can bring in there schools?
  4. by   rogue2578
    What Im trying to say is that ALL of my classmates in my Graduate school class are new RNs without hospital experience. Do you think its a solution to the growing numberof unemployed nurses each year . To resort to continuing education such as MAN. Rather than to earn money and gain hospital experience.

    Does these Graduate Schools are benefiting from this situation?


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  5. by   gambutrol
    I don't think that this is the solution to the growing number of unemployed nurses here in the Philippines. At the same time, I don't think that it is their fault that no hospitals/institutions are accepting them because of the surplus of the supply. I understand those nurses who are currently unemployed yet they result to undergoing graduate studies. I think this would be better than being a couch potato while waiting for those hospitals/institutions to hire them. Graduate Schools, on the other hand, make money out of the situation of our fellow nurses. I don't blame them either because they are just filling the demand for graduate schools who'll accept noobie nurses. If there is the demand, there will also be the supply.

    When I asked the nurses who are training at pgh on what are their plans after their training they couldn't answer me since most hospitals are not currently hiring. This is what most nurses are experiencing nowadays. Clueless, jobless and sometimes hopeless.. If taking up masterals is the only hope that they see amidst this uncertainty, then so be it..

    What is getting into my nerves are those hospitals who let nurses pay for their training and end up still unemployed.. Or those volunteer programs that has fees.. or Agencies that has placement fees and bombards nursing applicants with promises of going abroad yet still end up being unemployed.. I think these are more serious issues that we have to deal with..
  6. by   john83
    Quote from rogue2578
    Meaning, fresh graduates/ RN board passer pursuing MAN.
    Im not exactly in this category, Im a second courser with a Respiratory therapy experience.

    Any thoughts about our young, dynamic fresh board passer nurses wishing to advance into the PhD , EdD level in no time.

    In my humble opinion, its premature to allow these student to predominate the Graduate School population. Before considering them for acceptance they should have at least 1 years of professional / hospital experience. Or in any allied health sector if Nursing is not their first course.

    Any comments? I would appreciate to know other's opinions.
    Do you think they're after the money these student can bring in there schools?
    Personally I don't see any problem on people going up on the degree ladder, especially if they can make it. Why restrict them? Isn't the objective of education to gain knowledge to become more prepared? Graduate school training also have their own practicum.

    Experience and formal education aren't always equal; one can not simply become a nurse by knowing or simulating or practicing the things that are being done by nurses, you need to pass what is required to be qualified as a nurse. Basically, schools have their own way on what they'd require for graduate school.

    If pursuing graduate school education is the way to have better chances in getting the job that you want, why prevent them?

    Graduate school education maybe a qualification for teachers but schools can't simply hire people from that, it will be their own prerogative and I believe they have their own right to choose whom to hire.

    If you are a school and you do not have profits, how will you survive? Well, unless you are subsidized by the government, I don't think you can...It's just plain business, the way I see it.

    Indeed it is better to be studying in school, doing research, updates rather being idle. With the situation in the RP now, it's survival of the fittest.

    God bless everyone!
  7. by   griffin_girl
    i think its not bad to take master degree, although experience is an advantage like in my case, im just from batch 2008 and have 2mos training in hospital, i pursue to take master degree while waiting my pending applications in other hospitals. id rather do something instead of being bumped in house. doing volunteer for some hospitals are usually not good, because they sometimes becomes so abusive to volunteers. having this degree could give other opportunities in nursing profession not only in clinical setting.
  8. by   messageinabox
    I see nothing wrong with inexperienced nurses taking up MAN. I guess it's a way of "balancing the scales" and make these nurses marketable as nurses. The situation we have right now isn't favorable to a newly licensed nurse and I think that it is better to take on higher formal education than sit at home and be depressed. If I have the resources myself, I might have enrolled too. And now that I will soon start my career as an employed registered nurse, MAN sounds very, very desirable to me. I wish I could have earned some units while I was still looking for a job, that way promotion to Nurse II position might be just a few months away.

    Go ahead inexperienced nurses! Take that road towards MAN.
  9. by   gambutrol
    messageinabox,

    Is MAN a requirement in your hospital for promotion for NII position.. Here at PGH it is not a requirement because I am already NII without the masteral degree and it does not speed up the promotion.. I think MAN is a prerogative for the Head Nurse position up until the Chief Nurse and NVI positions.. here at pgh you'll be qualified for the NII position after two consecutive Very Satisfactory to Outstanding Performance Evaluation from your seniors.. NII BTW just means you're already permanent, whereas NI means you're contractual.. and of course you'll have higher salary grade.. I don't know if this is the same with other public hospitals across the country.. enlighten me please if I am mistaken..
  10. by   medic8
    Quote from rogue2578
    What Im trying to say is that ALL of my classmates in my Graduate school class are new RNs without hospital experience. Do you think its a solution to the growing numberof unemployed nurses each year . To resort to continuing education such as MAN. Rather than to earn money and gain hospital experience.

    Does these Graduate Schools are benefiting from this situation?


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    really concerned about them? or just just having insecurities?
  11. by   rogue2578
    really concerned about them? or just just having insecurities?


    Medic28, you make me laugh. You dont know me enough to say that. Just stick to the Thread and do not start a fire that would flicker.
  12. by   messageinabox
    Hi gambutrol,

    Actually, I have yet to know what are the factors to be promoted to Nurse II in my hospital. Hehehehe..But according to the Hospital Nsg Service Manual, DOH (1994), promotion to Nurse II/Senior Nurse/Head Nurse requires candidates to have at least 1 yr clinical nsg experience or 9 units of Nsg Mgm't and Supervision as required by RA 9173 or supervisory training . I haven't started working by the way (but very soon to start, thank God for that) so I'm just thinking that if I could gone into Graduate School and earned those 9 units I could have a little chance in being promoted after say 6 or more months of exemplary nursing work. Or at the very least, be retained/absorbed/"regularized" by the hospital after my 6 months contractual NI work is done.

    I'm optimistic but the same time realistic about the nursing situation in the country. A lot of doors has been closed to newly registered nurses (like me) but small windows are being opened and we take as it is. If some of us can't land a job right now, why waste time doing nothing when we can learn and make something for ourselves by taking up MAN.
  13. by   Silverdragon102
    Good question

    Personally I feel experience would help with the MAN but totally understand that gaining experience in the Philippines is hard so continuing on would keep you in the right frame of mind for study and give you something to continue towards.

    Can we please try to keep to the question/topic and answer it instead of looking for something that hasn't been mentioned
  14. by   gambutrol
    messageinabox,

    As far as I know, only supervisory positions require masteral units.. Nurse II positions does not require masteral units..

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