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Hi guys... Would like to know your honest opinion, on the present trend of MDs shifting to be nurses, and going overseas to become nightingales.By now, most of us in the Philippines are aware of this phenomena, please feel free to share your views,of how a medical degree became a prerequisite to a nursing degree:) Share your experiences if you work with any so called "nurse -medics"..andif you are one, how is it working as a nurse by the way???

Thanks guys... Just like to have some insights on the matter:wink2:

I really appreciate the input you make here on the net, Lawrence and I've started telling my nurse students (they already are nurses but reviewing for one of the many qualification tests needed) to check out info here. Valuable info indeed. icon14.gif

I think what delays the 1st coursers are the very same persons who are giving the 2nd coursers the bad rap by willing or unwillingly mis-informing them. How? Some examples would be informing them that they need another 1-2 years training or work experience here in the Phils. before they even think of applying for anything. Another would be to inform them to do first the CGFNS exam (that's why there are still LOTS who are doing it, eventhough its really being phased out as a req't for majority of states). Hospitals are in these too (some willingly and some unwillingly). Some in conivance with the affiliate school to provide new grads for "training" for measly "allowances" while some give "training" for a big fee. There are more "rackets" to take advantage of the RNs here and mostly those who fall for these traps are the 1st coursers and the one who gets the bad rap are the 2nd coursers. The only reason why 2nd coursers are relatively faster because they don't easily fall to this traps and immediately apply to where ever they want to work.

ons.:smokin:

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On the question of second coursers taking up nursing I must add that one overlooked aspect is the re-training that is requisite to it. Me, I'm back to school and while it's hell on the time requirement and the lifestyle change, the necessary and attendant change of attitude is even more difficult on me. ;)

The interesting thing is, because it still takes time to retool as a nurse, the change in attitude begins to sink in. You CAN train old dogs NEW tricks after all. I laugh to think of what a different kind of person I will be when I finally graduate. A REAL NURSE!

Hi guys... Would like to know your honest opinion, on the present trend of MDs shifting to be nurses, and going overseas to become nightingales.By now, most of us in the Philippines are aware of this phenomena, please feel free to share your views,of how a medical degree became a prerequisite to a nursing degree:) Share your experiences if you work with any so called "nurse -medics"..andif you are one, how is it working as a nurse by the way???

Thanks guys... Just like to have some insights on the matter:wink2:

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I really appreciate the input you make here on the net, Lawrence and I've started telling my nurse students (they already are nurses but reviewing for one of the many qualification tests needed) to check out info here. Valuable info indeed. icon14.gif

Thanks. Tell your students to go to the Int'l forum: http://www.allnurses.com/forums/f75 and the NCLEX discussion forum as well: http://www.allnurses.com/forums/f197. There are more great infos there from Suzanne.

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:specs: there is nothing wrong for an md to become rn.i guess you have the edge because you can apply both what you have learrnt. if only i could turn back those years that i wanted to study medicine after i became rn, i would. so, good luck to you nurse md.:wink2:
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Since most of the agencies in the Philippines require that the nurse-docs should have volunteer work experience before signing where do they usually the nursing job experience.

Hope anyone can suggest the names of the hospitals, Im looking for one :-)

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Hi golfermyluv, i think there are lots of hospitals who are accepting volunteer work here in the Philippines but in your case, are you planning to work outside the Philippines? if your are now thinking of working abroad, i think it depends on the facility you are going to apply in the States. Some hospitals dont require experience but if you have the chance to work for the sake of experience & or familiarization, you better do it now. But i think what is necessary is to take all the exams first like the ff: english exams (toefl or ielts), nclex or cgfns.

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Being a nurse is much more humane than being an MD. As a nurse you see the person as a whole. Care is an integral part, which is not so much the case when you're an MD.

As an MD, you're always concentrating on diseases. One of my classmates during one of our rotations even said I can't remember the patient's name. But, I'm sure that I'll remember who he is if you tell me what his diagnosis is. I'm sure a lot of doctors turned nurses would agree that they have done this a lot of times.

I wish I took nursing as my pre- med course. But, better late than never! The shift I have made is definitely the best move I have made so far.

God bless us nurses! :nurse: :nurse:

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Hi golfermyluv, i think there are lots of hospitals who are accepting volunteer work here in the Philippines but in your case, are you planning to work outside the Philippines? if your are now thinking of working abroad, i think it depends on the facility you are going to apply in the States. Some hospitals dont require experience but if you have the chance to work for the sake of experience & or familiarization, you better do it now. But i think what is necessary is to take all the exams first like the ff: english exams (toefl or ielts), nclex or cgfns.

Hi Esterp, Thanks for the reply

Ive finished all the exams and currently looking for hospitals in Philippines for 3mos. volunteer experience. if you know any that can give certification pls do let me know, I guess I should personally knock on the R & D door of the hospitals. take care

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as an md, you're always concentrating on diseases. one of my classmates during one of our rotations even said i can't remember the patient's name. but, i'm sure that i'll remember who he is if you tell me what his diagnosis is. i'm sure a lot of doctors turned nurses would agree that they have done this a lot of times.

i wish i took nursing as my pre- med course. but, better late than never! the shift i have made is definitely the best move i have made so far.

congrats!!!!

who can remember a patients' name when all you have to do is diagnose them and recite your management over the phone to your consultants???

when i decided to try nursing, all my consultants' eyes were on me... it was as if i killed their patients. two years later, some of them are asking me how to make nursing care plans...:monkeydance:

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congrats!!!!

who can remember a patients' name when all you have to do is diagnose them and recite your management over the phone to your consultants???

when i decided to try nursing, all my consultants' eyes were on me... it was as if i killed their patients. two years later, some of them are asking me how to make nursing care plans...:monkeydance:

hahahaha! :rotfl: revenge at last! just kidding! i'm sure you were happy to oblige.... :saint:

during the start of class we were about 20 plus students... the number trickled down to 15.....

most of them decided to drop out when we started making the ncps. it was hard to make the shift. some even tried to challenge the nursing diagnosis ---- to the exasperation of our very patient instructors.... although i could see them trying to control themselves... and still smile... :D :d :D :angryfire :angryfire :argue: :banghead: :D :D

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congrats!!!!

who can remember a patients' name when all you have to do is diagnose them and recite your management over the phone to your consultants???

when i decided to try nursing, all my consultants' eyes were on me... it was as if i killed their patients. two years later, some of them are asking me how to make nursing care plans...:monkeydance:

hahahaha! :rotfl: revenge at last! just kidding! i'm sure you were happy to oblige.... :saint:

during the start of class we were about 20 plus students... the number trickled down to 15.....

most of them decided to drop out when we started making the ncps. it was hard to make the shift. some even tried to challenge the nursing diagnosis ---- to the exasperation of our very patient instructors.... although i could see them trying to control themselves... and still smile... :D :d :D :angryfire :angryfire :argue: :banghead: :D :d

at first it was a nightmare making those ncps...then some of er staff started to teach me. some of my consultants now are graduates of bsn..and still they are asking me how to process nclex, cg, ielts...some of them are not so good with computers to start with. i just advise them to take up computer (basic) course...:lol2:

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Hi any MD-RN who is in CRNA school or already a CRNA?

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