Inhumane Supervisors/Managers-LONG

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I have had a problem with plantar fasciitis since last April. I went to the podiatrist at my job, got a pair of orthotics and one cortisone shot, and had short term improvement. It did not last long, because I was not very compliant with the exercises, the orthotics got kind of ruined, could not fit inside of each nursing shoe that I purchased and also, I could not tolerate the naproxen. Basically, my insurance does not cover orthotics, but my podiatrist friend (because he knew me), figured out a way to obtain them under my coverage by saying he ordered night splints. These orthotics were not of the highest quality, so, while they worked great, they are winding down, so to speak.

Anyhow, we have a 'no sneaker policy' at work, unless we have a note from a physician. While I was on vacation, I decided to see a podiatrist outside of the job under my plan, and this guy was phenomenal. He carefully illustrated what needs to be done to heal, and it is really working. He asked me to bring in my previous orthotics and wanted to see the shoes that I regulary wear to estimate what I needed. I am currently taking a series of shots (he told me he felt that I need cortisone shots once a week for one month), ordered an xray so that he can assess if I have other issues, and while he told me that my orthotics are basically good, the ones that he would cast would be more tailored towards the natural grooves of my feet. They are $250, and I feel this will be worth the money, so, I left him a deposit and they will be ready in two weeks. He wrapped my feet (which feel like heaven) and instructed that I restart wearing the orthotics I have until I get the ones that he casted me for (my feet feel like HEAVEN...and I want to marry him...told my husband it is over between us...LOL). He also showed me some shoes that can be purchased, but they are expensive. I do plan to get them eventually, but, I have to save for these things.

My current orthotics do not fit into my nursing shoes, so, I have lily white sneakers that REALLY look like shoes unless you look closely, got them for $21. With my feet wrapped, the orthotics and my sneakers, I am literally dancing around at work, I am so happy that the pain is gone! I KNOW that the orthotics that were casted by this man will be EVEN BETTER!! I am walking for 1/2 hour a day now and my quality of life has greatly improved. I want to eventually purchase some shoes from the brands he suggested, however, first, I know they will be expensive. Secondly, I intend to go to the store to see them, try them on, maybe get measured, or whatever, because if I have to pay that much money for them, they had BETTER feel like clouds (like they do, now). I know that with these sort of shoes, you have to wear them in before you wear them to work all day, because they have to adjust to your body. I want my money's worth...but to me, if I can wear sneakers, for cheaper, why should I not?

Each person that saw my sneakers asked me where did I get my SHOES from, and I just told them they were a gift (they really could not tell that they were sneakers that were purchased from a PayLess shoe store for $21). Fast forward to a meeting that was held with one of my sorry nursing administrators. She is known to have 'pets' (you know the ones that don't work and flaunt it) that go to the stores for her, buy her food and coffee, etc.... Her male pet of the month has on a pair of white sneakers. When I sit before her, she asked me if I had on sneakers, and I did not lie and said "Yes" and she goes into a speech how they are not part of policy to wear. Her 'pet' looks at me and smirks and I look dead at his feet.

I then told her that I am getting treated for my feet and as soon as I get orthotics, I will then have to see which shoes can properly accomodate them. She tells me to get a note (which I intend to do on Wednesday), but also says "There are shoes, you know that can be used for this purpose as well" in a snide manner. I say to her that I am aware, but they are horribly expensive, that I am already paying for orthotics in an installment plan and currently, I was wearing what comfortably fits my feet with the tape and orthotics that are almost damaged. Also, I told her that this way, I don't have to take naproxen, which literally made me have gas, caused heartburn and nausea. I told her that the nursing shoes that we normally purchase do not last long, do not accomodate special needs, and the shoes for special needs are expensive. She just rolls her eyes at me as if to say "That's YOUR problem".

I do plan to get this note, immediately. However, I think that this whole thing is insensitive. First off, she has her pet trailing behind her boldly wearing sneakers and smirking at us. Also, as an LPN, I do not make the salary that the average RN makes. I am working on dealing with the problem as effectively and economically as I can. Most RNs I know cannot readily afford these sorts of shoes...we all have bills, etc. If a cheap pair of sneakers and orthotics solve the problem, then WHAT IS THE ISSUE??? I am more effective at work, I am sure I am more productive. Also, even when I actually obtain these new orthotics that I know will fit better, what if I still have problems getting nursing shoes that will accomodate them? Most of us are walking around in literal tears because of our feet. How insensitive can these people be to make you spend money that you do not have immediately in order to slave yourself to the bone for these thankless demons?? :madface::banghead::no:

I'm not disagreeing that it's a stupid policy, and you're right: if people are wearing them without notes then you're being singled out. My point was, there is a way around it.

Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.
Personally, I think "no sneakers" policies are stupid. I can understand rules against things like open toes from a safety perspective, but I'm like Mary's supervisor, just show up and do the job and wear whatever footwear is both safe and comfortable.

I am curious, though; what brands did the podiatrist recommend?

He recommended New Balance, Finn Comfort, Sketchers for now. I just searched Zappos.com, and discovered a pair of New Balance that looked just like nursing shoes that had the option of removing the insole to accomodate orthotics or whatever other things people have to use for support. I ordered them, because in my neighborhood, that particular style was not available. I still plan to get my note for the sneakers on Wednesday because I also plan to alternate shoes/sneakers. My podiatrist also said that it is not always good to rely on one pair of shoes when you are walking constantly.

Once this woman gets her freaking note, I plan to stay out of her face. She is an ignorant fool. My sneakers that I purchased from Payless look exactly like shoes unless you happen to see me sit down, and the pants raise a bit. Many people have asked me where I got my 'shoes' from. I didn't mention they were sneakers to avoid this, and the idiot saw me walking with these for a few days and did not bat an eye. Suddenly, she has something to say, while her favorite boy toy is wearing blatent, dirty sneakers and is smirking at me.

What is interesting, is that I purposely selected with care so that none of the supervisors would feel disrespected, and no one noticed until I positioned myself in such a way where it was a bit more obvious. Stupid woman, stupid management:banghead:

Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.
Well. I'm having a snark attack just thinking about your scenario. Wishing all sorts of painful foot ailments on this woman (did I really type that?). Karma, you know. Ok. Secret snark attack is done.

I'd be very matter-of-fact with her and not reveal that she was 'getting' to me. She might feed on flustering employees. I'd hand in the letter from the doc. If I heard another thing, I'd mention "ADA" and act non-ruffled as if the issue was settled. Then I'd come back here and vent away!

On another note, how wonderful that you are getting beneficial treatment from the doc, Deva.

I didn't show that I was flustered...I said what I mentioned earlier and told her that I will comply and give her a note. I wish to join you in the karmic snark attack, because this is a stupid policy. They spoke lies of Jean Watson's caring theory and shared governance to prepare for magnet (which they did not receive) and yet, no one had a say on the pastel top uniform issue or the sneakers. Meanwhile, they didn't get input from any of the nurses about this, really.

Please clarify for me, someone what is "ADA"? In case it is necessary one day.

Oh, and yes, I am getting great treatment for me feet, and I told my podiatrist that I would marry him. Told my husband that while I adore him to pieces, he didn't make my feet feel as good as this and it's over:lol2: (just kidding, of course!)

You know the silliest thing? My husband developed PF before I did, and has done nothing regarding treatments. Now, he sees me dancing around and I told him he should go to this guy. We have the same health benefits, but he refuses to go because the thought of long needles to administer cortisone is gross. He hates needles, he says. But, he limps each morning, crawls in bed each night. I promptly told him yesterday that he must be insane to live with me and see a clear difference within a few days. I am a total chicken with needles, but I'd rather have that than the constant pain that was traveling up my calves, knees and hips from my body being out of alignment. Even if he got the orthotics:banghead: Well, I gotta work on my darling, but he will see by example.:yeah:

I would get a note from the podiatrist and then continue to wear sneakers for as long as I pleased ;)

BTW, I had a very bad case of plantar fasciitis after falling off a kitchen chair and landing hard on my left foot (don't ask). I wasn't working at the time, and couldn't have since I could hardly walk, but when I finally saw a podiatrist, the improvement was incredible. He started with a cortisone shot and orthotic insoles (about $52, not covered); this improved the pain by about 90%, but it wasn't completely gone and I wanted to resume my long walks and hikes. It took 3 more cortisone shots, but the improvement is now about 99% (I rarely have a flare-up, and if I do it's usually after a really long walk). It took a while to get from 90-99% improvement, and I had almost given up, but then the final cortisone shot (the podiatrist said no more than 3-4 should be given) worked; otherwise, I would have had to get much more expensive custom orthotics or, as a last resort, surgery. Anyway, there is hope and help for this frustrating condition!

Best wishes for you,

DeLana

Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.
I'm not disagreeing that it's a stupid policy, and you're right: if people are wearing them without notes then you're being singled out. My point was, there is a way around it.

I am working on the way around it by following instructions to obtain the note, carefully looking for New Balance sneakers that are not such obvious sneakers even in spite of the fact that there will be a note to support the reason why I am wearing them. I'm not looking to display flagerant disregard for these people because it causes bad feelings.

And, to be honest, she did not single me out per say...she did that particular day, but she says to everyone who is wearing them not to do it. She also catches people with different color socks than white and she gets into that as well. This is why they run, or sit behind people when they have on these wild socks or whatever. What was bad about how she did this is that she had her boy toy puppet with her who constantly wears dirty sneakers, and I felt that in addition to saying what she said to me that particular day, she should have either stated that "Boy-toy submitted a note, or this includes you, Boy-Toy". Boy Toy smirks like "I am special-I can do what I want" and everyone was staring at his feet (and some others hiding their own). And, when I told her what I was doing to work on this issue, she blew me off.

I don't want you to think that I got mad at what you stated, far from it ((Tazzi:heartbeat)). I just think that it is principal...making up a stupid policy and insulting our intelligence by saying that the majority of the nurses supported this, which is not true, and the fact that this policy was enforced without our opinions shows a lack of empathy and the Jean Watson caring theory that they claim to follow. She even told me that Joint Commission will be looking at our sneakers...c'mon, now...:banghead:

Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.
I would get a note from the podiatrist and then continue to wear sneakers for as long as I pleased ;)

BTW, I had a very bad case of plantar fasciitis after falling off a kitchen chair and landing hard on my left foot (don't ask). I wasn't working at the time, and couldn't have since I could hardly walk, but when I finally saw a podiatrist, the improvement was incredible. He started with a cortisone shot and orthotic insoles (about $52, not covered); this improved the pain by about 90%, but it wasn't completely gone and I wanted to resume my long walks and hikes. It took 3 more cortisone shots, but the improvement is now about 99% (I rarely have a flare-up, and if I do it's usually after a really long walk). It took a while to get from 90-99% improvement, and I had almost given up, but then the final cortisone shot (the podiatrist said no more than 3-4 should be given) worked; otherwise, I would have had to get much more expensive custom orthotics or, as a last resort, surgery. Anyway, there is hope and help for this frustrating condition!

Best wishes for you,

DeLana

Thank you, thank you, thank you! See folks, another person to say that it can get better!!!! My podiatrist told me the same thing...there should be no more than 4 shots, and he gives them once a week. I will be on my 3rd one on Wednesday. I am at the 90% after the second one...hurray!!!!:bowingpur I am also a long walker and I wish to lose the 20 lbs I gained since this PF mess started. I walked for over an hour on my way to get my feet xrayed and it was WONDERFUL! And, I used to take the bus 1.2 of the way to work, and then, walk the rest of the way, which is about 2.5 miles. Guess what...I will start again tomorrow. That is how great I feel!!

Specializes in Case Management.

I agree that this is insane. Your comfort should be her only concern and to say that no sneakers are to be worn, well, I would have had to point out her "pet" and his shoes.

Good luch with your new orthotics, I hope they make you feel great. The ultrasound treatments that someone mentioned are very expensive, like $5000 per foot and may not be covered under your insurance.

I'd be sitting there, "Oh look at your shoes, Boy Toy. They look sooooo comfortable. What brand are they? Where did you get them? Are they comfortable? Can you put orthotics in them? That kind is fine, right, Supervisor, dear?"

I know how you feel. My son fell and broke his arm 8 months ago while I was at work. I called our supervisor to inform her that I had to leave for family emergency (our union contract allows this). Before I finish explaining to her what happened to my son, she said "what ever" and hang up the phone on me. I five weeks ago she called me to come and work OT because they were very short and JCAHO was in the house and the VP of nursing was on her back to get staff immediately. She began telling me how many nurses she needed and that I should help her contact my co-workers to just come in without calling her and that everyone that walks in will be paid for OT and an additional bonus. Before she went on, I cut her short and said "I don't" feel like working or calling my co-workers". Boy, she was very hurt because she always counts on me for when she is short. Now I sign up for my OTs with my NM only. She is the loser.

So yes, my dear those supervisors and managers are inhumane.

Hope you feel better with you leg.

Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.
I know how you feel. My son fell and broke his arm 8 months ago while I was at work. I called our supervisor to inform her that I had to leave for family emergency (our union contract allows this). Before I finish explaining to her what happened to my son, she said "what ever" and hang up the phone on me. I five weeks ago she called me to come and work OT because they were very short and JCAHO was in the house and the VP of nursing was on her back to get staff immediately. She began telling me how many nurses she needed and that I should help her contact my co-workers to just come in without calling her and that everyone that walks in will be paid for OT and an additional bonus. Before she went on, I cut her short and said "I don't" feel like working or calling my co-workers". Boy, she was very hurt because she always counts on me for when she is short. Now I sign up for my OTs with my NM only. She is the loser.

So yes, my dear those supervisors and managers are inhumane.

Hope you feel better with you leg.

They 'suspect' that JCAHO is coming to the hospital today. I am a new nurse who begged over and over again to see certain policies and got the run around. I am due to work at 10:30 this morning and am not going in one moment earlier...I am on the computer right now and that is more important to me...:lol2:

Specializes in Geriatrics, WCC.

When I used to work the floor and wear uniform shoes, the most comfortable ones I found were tennis shoes. The one time I bought actual nursing shoes (which looked liked tennis anyway), I paid almost $100 for them, and had to buy arch and heel supports for them as they were so uncomfortable.

I don't think a single one of my staff actually pays for nursing shoes. I believe they all have tennis on, and they look just fine.

There have been a couple of times that i have had to lower the boom on someone due to the dress code. Years ago, at one facility they were allowed to wear shorts if no more than 1 inch above the knee. Two CNA's consistently came to work in "Daisy Dukes" , I would send them home to change. THey didn't stop, so I had to remove the policy that shorts were allowed.

Last week, I had a new CNA of one month, that had been written up by her manager twice for wearing inappropriate clothes to work. She was coming in wearing sweatpants/jeans and a tee-shirt that hung almost to her knees under a sweatshirt. After the second write-up, she came to my office to complain. Her explaination was that she has a medical condition in which her sweat glands do not work and she needs to dress in layers. Her other thought was since she was on the noc shift, her work should be what is looked at and not her attire. I explained that she still needs to look professional, and even though I do not have to wear a uniform myself, can not wear jeans unless it is Friday. I told her I would allow her to wear good-fitting sweatpants and she could dress in layers on the top as long as the shirts were tucked in and not hanging down. She was very argumentative. I didn't have to go through anymore greif with her since she was on her 90 days probation and her terrible attendance got the best of her.

Specializes in ER, Infusion therapy, Oncology.

I have never heard of no sneakers in healthcare. It is the standard footware where I live. I do not think that rule would survive long.

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