I think I'm professional, but now I'm not so sure, after I told some American friends that as a male nurse, I don't catheterize women.
'That's sexist' was one of the kinder comments, while one of the more rational comments said - "We are professionals. As long as we behave in a professional way, then we should all have to do the same job."
I naturally asked 'does this mean we're nurses first, and men/women second?' and they didn't give a concise answer.
Am I the only male who thinks that it is harder for a female patient as well as for a male nurse to do such an intimate procedure?
Am I the only nurse who thinks that gender does matter? What harm does it cause if I choose not to do a procedure when there are capable people around who could do it just as well, plus make it easier for the patient. As a male nurse, I need a female chaperone if doing such a procedure on a woman anyway, so why not make it easier for everyone and simply keep the male out of it altogether?
But what does being a "Professional" mean? From what I'm hearing from others it sounds like I am a sexless machine capable of doing it all because that is what I am paid to do. Instead I think of myself as a caring carer. I have my faults and biases. I make mistakes and I sometimes let my feelings help make my decisions. But I have a big heart and I do the job because I care first. I enjoy making people laugh when they're sick. I enjoy being able to make a difference in people's lives. I also do the job recognizing my faults, and if I ever think that my views/faults may jeopardize a patient, I know to get someone else to take over that patient's care. I guess I'm not a very successful Sexless Professional. But I can live with being called sexist and unprofessional, just because I sometimes refuse to do female catheterization. I'm sure there's a lot worse things I could be.
A couple of extra points to mention:
For the record, the female staff used to ask me to catheterize the men, and they'd do the same for my female patients, and we never had a problem.
Also it's strange, but apparently I'm allowed to catheterize little old ladies, but not young women. Sounds a bit ageist to me. Do the feelings of older people not matter as much as those of young people? Naturally I'd never contemplate such a procedure on a young woman.
Wow, really? Slavery & rape is COMPLETELY different. Your comparing my morals to it? Just because someone chooses to view or engage in Media does not make their morals wrong. Media has been around for a little while. Like I said, as long as the viewer & actors are consenting, legal adults there is nothing wrong with it. The government doesn't think so either. If you think so take it up with the government. I'm talking Media with just adults, not minors, animals or anything else.
Short answer, if you don't like it don't watch it. Because obviously Media isn't going anywhere. People are going to keep making it & watching it.
Well, you claimed Media is morally acceptable because it's legal. I pointed out other things that used to be legal. So, were they morally acceptable while legal, and only became immoral upon criminalization? Or were they always immoral and the law just caught up to that truth? If you say the latter, then things can be immoral while still being legal, and that pretty much destroys your assertion that Media is morally acceptable because it's legal.
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Well, you claimed Media is morally acceptable because it's legal. I pointed out other things that used to be legal. So, were they morally acceptable while legal, and only became immoral upon criminalization? Or were they always immoral and the law just caught up to that truth? If you say the latter, then things can be immoral while still being legal, and that pretty much destroys your assertion that Media is morally acceptable because it's legal.
Key word, were. The government has no problem with consenting, legal adults acting in those movies. When they do, it will be illegal. Just like in some states weed is now legal. But considering Media has be around for many years & the government has yet to do anything, I don't see it going anywhere. Is it immoral, in your eyes. But that doesn't make it illegal.
Key word, were. The government has no problem with consenting, legal adults acting in those movies. When they do, it will be illegal. Just like in some states weed is now legal. But considering Media has be around for many years & the government has yet to do anything, I don't see it going anywhere. Is it immoral, in your eyes. But that doesn't make it illegal.
You've completely missed the point.
Can things be immoral while they're still legal? Or does legality automatically equal moral acceptability?
Specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab.
You've completely missed the point.
Can things be immoral while they're still legal? Or does legality automatically equal moral acceptability?
You're the one who brought up morals & keep bashing mine. The government decides what's legal & illegal. If you don't like something, if you decide something violates YOUR moral compass, because we all have different ones, then steer clear of it.
Don't like Media, don't watch it. Don't like weed, don't smoke it.
You're the one who brought up morals & keep bashing mine. The government decides what's legal & illegal. If you don't like something, if you decide something violates YOUR moral compass, because we all have different ones, then steer clear of it.
Don't like Media, don't watch it. Don't like weed, don't smoke it.
LOL are you incapable of answering the question or just unwilling?
Am I the only one wondering just how a thread on men performing female catheterization morphed into a discussion of Media?
How long before the pot thread is also about Media?
You know... I knew a guy who smoked a lot of pot, killed chickens, watched Media, catheterized women, and was also psychotic. That's right, all three threads are about the same guy!
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Holy MOLEY talk about a thread topic derailment extraordinaire!! WTH??