I'm never primarying again, y'all

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This is so awful. My primary is six and a half months old. He was a CDH-er, was on ECMO. He almost got better in August and September, got him down to 30% CPAP, but went into respiratory failure at the end of September. Several runs on the oscillator later, he got trached last week. It's made him worse. He's barely double his birth weight. His head is enormous, and he has these skinny chicken legs. His SVC seems to be failing him, and his entire chest is covered in petechiae and burst capillaries. He's suffering. My unit (as Steve and I have been very vocal about on this board) undersedates ridiculously. The fact that I secured standing orders for q12 Ativan and q6 MSO4 last night is a sign of how bad it's gotten. He's so labile we don't even change his diaper unless he's sedated. They're tolerating PCO2's in the 100s. I bagged him for 25 minutes last night and counted a victory when his sats held above 75. His parents, who are the loveliest people I've ever met, are also members of a religion that doesn't hold with DNRs, and certainly not with withdrawal of care. I truly think they'd let him go if they wouldn't be ostracized from their close-knit community. He has four primaries, and all of us are losing our minds. We're all crying during and after work. The other nurses are starting to talk about us, and not in a good way. I don't know how much longer I can do this. We're talking about calling the Ethics Committee, which I have not seen done in the 18 months I've been on the unit. We're all talking about quitting, which we won't, really, but it is coming close to burning us all out. I've gone from 2 cigarettes a day to almost a pack. We can't not take care of him, though. His parents need nurses they can trust. Most of the other nurses can't stand the baby because he's so needy. We refuse to let him die with someone who doesn't care about him.

Thanks for reading, if you made it this far. I should sleep, because I have to go back and do it again tonight. May God forgive us.

Specializes in midwifery, NICU.

LIZ.........(((((((((hugs)))))))))....from across the ocean......one NiCU nurse to another, believe in YOU babe. Soul destroying at times, I know, but you are making a difference, making things better, for these wee souls and their parents! Keep going, we are here for a reason babe! Much luv to ya! xc

Specializes in NICU, Infection Control.

IMO, people [parents] honestly DO the very best they can in these situations. We may not agree w/what they do, but we should support them when we see the effort they make.

Liz's parents are in crisis, and have been for, what, 6 months now? That is just about as horrible as what the baby is going thru.

I'd suggest telling mom and dad you believe that the baby knows they love him, and that they are doing the best they can, etc.

Specializes in NICU.

Thank you, prmenrs. That's the position I've been trying to come from for her. She said she felt really pressured the other night when he was put on the oscillator, by all the nurses present, to stop treatment. I told her that no matter how much we (the nurses) love the baby, and no matter what our personal opinions are or what we would do, he is HER child and whatever decision she makes, she is the one who is going to have to live with it. I didn't put it quite that way, as in "you have to live with it", but that was the gist. I didn't express any opinion as to the decision I thought she should make. I told her how much of a better nurse her son has made me, and that I think the same is true for his other primaries. I emphasized that no matter how things end up, his life has served a valuable purpose.

The fentanyl drip is a funny thing - I'm so, so glad he's got it, because I think to some extent it is lessening his suffering. However, I also think that it takes away some of the impetus towards letting him go. The "but he's suffering" argument loses some of its power when it doesn't look, to the untrained eye, as if he is.

Specializes in PICU, surgical post-op.
The fentanyl drip is a funny thing - I'm so, so glad he's got it, because I think to some extent it is lessening his suffering. However, I also think that it takes away some of the impetus towards letting him go. The "but he's suffering" argument loses some of its power when it doesn't look, to the untrained eye, as if he is.

I'm a PICU person (or I was, before I quit...) and I'm so very liberal and proactive with my sedation. Glad your little one has some fentanyl on board! But I just have to say that I've been following this story for a while and I've been cringing up till now at the thought of this poor babe with no sedation. Why is it that I see NICUs so rarely sedating their babies? Is there really such a big difference in practice between NICUs and PICUs, or is this just my own limited experience? We'll get babes down from our NICU for PD or heart issues (both of which our NICU won't touch with a 10-foot pole), and the first thing we do is pull a fellow in to write sedation orders because the poor things are often beside themselves.

I know YOU weren't trying to say "It would be better without the sedation so everyone could see how bad it is and they'd just let him go," but I'm so afraid that there really are other people who think that.

I don't know you and I don't know this baby, but I just want to say thank you for loving him and caring for him. The world would be better off if we had more like you.

Specializes in NICU, Infection Control.

I understand what Liz is trying to say. Just because the pain is swept under the fentanyl drip, the baby's situation is just as grime as ever.

That said, if he is going to improve, he'll do so more readily if he can sleep and grow. And, that also takes some of the pressure off of his caretakers and parents that he is so much more comfortable and calmer.

I think she's doing an excellent job, as is the rest of her team. I only want her to take care of herself a little more.

Specializes in NICU.

You know, Ali, I don't know the answer, really. I've only worked in the one NICU, but my impression is that our docs are unusually stingy with the pain and sedation meds. To give you an idea:

I routinely have babies go on ECMO with no orders written for pain or sedation meds beyond those for cannulation. Once I get those orders, after telling the doc that the baby is about to decannulate, they are for the most part q3h PRN morphine and versed, in small doses. I have literally had to have a perfusionist hold the baby down on the bed while I sprinted to the Pyxis, because of how our policy is. I was called into the NMs office once to justify to him why I actually gave those PRNs every three hours.

Our cardiac babies, assuming they don't come back with an open chest, are on fentanyl drips for the first 24h only. It is weaned quickly during that first day, taken off at 24 hours post-op, and then we go to morphine. Occasionally ATC for another day, but usually straight to PRN. The open chest kids have a vec and fentanyl drip, but that's more for safety than pain management.

Other than these situations, I almost never get ATC orders for anything that comes out of the Pyxis. We have a kid with osteogenesis imperfecta who gets methadone q12 with PRN morphine for PT and baths, but that's pretty much it.

As to the why? I couldn't tell you. We get told things like "It promotes ventilation-perfusion mismatch" and "we need to monitor the neuro status more closely" but I think it's all crap. We have this one doctor on our unit, who isn't even a neo, but an anesthesiologist. He is the big boss of all our respiratory management, and admittedly he is often a crazy genius. He just doesn't like to sedate kids, basically. I have a much easier time getting orders when he's on vacation. I was once told by one of our fellows, regarding an ECMO kid with inadequate sedation, "yes, I agree with you, but I will get screamed at when Dr X gets here in the morning, so I will not write for anything else." I have been called the druggie/junkie nurse more than once by my coworkers because I am much more generous with my PRNs than most. And by generous, I mean I actually give them sometimes.

Okay, this was a novel, but I had to get it off my chest. I could write another novel on how I would change our pain scale documentation (we use our own, not NIPPS or PIPPS or any of the real ones) and how it pretty much requires by its very nature that we undersedate kids, but I'm sure you all have better things to do with your life.

Specializes in NICU.

Wow. I guess I should consider our pain management protocols to be pretty good then. Any baby who is vented and less than 29 weeks (around there) has fentanyl prn orders built into the admission order sets. We routinely give it on the micros for any hands on care. Those micros with their barely there skin and nervous systems really benefit from a little sedation before being touched. We also have standing orders for any baby who is on the HFOV (and chest tubes) for fentanyl drips, with boluses given as needed.

We recently had a DH kid who was pretty sick for awhile. She was on a fentanyl, versed, and pavulon drip - with prn orders for more fentanyl as well. Our docs didn't want her moving a muscle for a while until her lungs healed enough to get off of the HFOV. She sated a million times better when she was completely sedated. When it would be time for more pain meds, she would start shunting like crazy. As soon as they kicked in, she stopped shunting. I can't imagine her being alive without the pain/sedation management that we used on her.

Elizabells - I know you're going up against some huge obstacles in your unit, but is your unit big on evidences based protocol? I know there's a ton out there regarding pain management in neonates.... Even so, it sounds like you are doing an amazing job with your difficult primary right now.

Specializes in NICU, Infection Control.

Drop a dime on 'em. JACHO = 1-800-994-6610. (on the back of my ID badge) I think it's part of JACHO standards to use a legitimate tool and to provide infants w/adequate pain control.

:trout::smackingf:banghead: /dodo-heads.

Specializes in NICU.

Zach passed away this evening, at 5:31pm, with his parents and all five of his primary nurses at his side. It was very peaceful, as the attending physician provided a significant amount of sedation prior to his death. He was so beautiful at the end, as for the first time in his short life he didn't have to fight to breathe. Thank you all so much for your support, advice, and good wishes.

Specializes in ER.

Thank you Elizabells, you did a good job. There will be an angel waiting in heaven to greet you.

Specializes in NICU.

Sounds like you did a great job elizabells. Take a break from having a primary baby for a while. It will be good for you to just focusing on patient care. Or just pick up an easy baby to primary.

Specializes in NICU.
Zach passed away this evening, at 5:31pm, with his parents and all five of his primary nurses at his side. It was very peaceful, as the attending physician provided a significant amount of sedation prior to his death. He was so beautiful at the end, as for the first time in his short life he didn't have to fight to breathe. Thank you all so much for your support, advice, and good wishes.

((((HUGS)))) for you all .... for him, his family, you, and all the other caregivers that took such amazing care of him. God bless you all, you're all truly incredible. Go do something good for yourself.

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