If the US started a system like the NHS in the UK should nurses expect a cut in pay

They get paid much less. I know if an ICU nurse in the UK who posted her pay. It was the equivalent of $15.73 an hour here.

And yes, if we went to a single payer system, nurses would get paid less. Our ratios would be higher as well.

3 hours ago, LovingLife123 said:

They get paid much less. I know if an ICU nurse in the UK who posted her pay. It was the equivalent of $15.73 an hour here.

And yes, if we went to a single payer system, nurses would get paid less. Our ratios would be higher as well.

nope on the ratios

I work in a single payer system

ICU: 1:1

ICU step down 1:2

Med surg 1:3-5, I once had five patients on a weekend, however it was a young patient who went to theatre and was minimal care. Usually numbers between 3-4

Acute pysch: 1:2-4. Usually I have a load of 3, however on a bad day that may get up to four.

Single payer has less costs to the tax payer. UK, Ireland and Australia and NZ all pay less tax for health than US (have the textbook somewhere with the reference). Also less outgoings for nurses as not paying massive HI premiums.

Disagree about ratios.

Everywhere I worked ICU 1:1 HDU 2: 1 med surg 4-6:1.

What's the pay and ratio for CNAs?

18 hours ago, K+MgSO4 said:

Single payer has less costs to the tax payer. UK, Ireland and Australia and NZ all pay less tax for health than US (have the textbook somewhere with the reference). Also less outgoings for nurses as not paying massive HI premiums.

Disagree about ratios.

Everywhere I worked ICU 1:1 HDU 2: 1 med surg 4-6:1.

And I think better health outcomes and longer life expectancy

15 hours ago, DaniDesi P said:

What's the pay and ratio for CNAs?

All CNAs had a pay raise a few years ago in New Zealand. The mimum starting wage is about $20. Goes up to a maximum of about $25 I think

Working in aged care the ratios arent brilliant. Fully staffed in the mornings its usually about 1:6. In the afternoons 1:8 working on the premise less full care is done in the afternoons. Working in the public hospital you usually dont have a set patient ratio, you are there as auxillary staff to help out the nurses, however the work load is still better because you are only working as a CNA role. In aged care often you are expected to do CNA role, kitchen duties, laundry duties etc

On 4/27/2020 at 2:08 AM, Tenebrae said:

nope on the ratios

I work in a single payer system

ICU: 1:1

ICU step down 1:2

Med surg 1:3-5, I once had five patients on a weekend, however it was a young patient who went to theatre and was minimal care. Usually numbers between 3-4

Acute pysch: 1:2-4. Usually I have a load of 3, however on a bad day that may get up to four.

I’m just going off of what I saw a UK ICU nurse state.

I also couldn’t survive in the US on 15-16/hr. Right now, I have a two income household to afford life. I live in a major metropolitan area raising 3 children. I’d have to take two jobs working 60 hours a week as opposed to my 36 I work now which works well with my boys and all they’d activities. My husband works 50 hours a week.

Well Grumpy. You are making way too much over a question. I'm sure it is fitting. If you like you can include "pay cut with the benefit of free healthcare and maternity leave". What's wrong by the way of asking if US nurses should expect a pay cut? Truth is truth, even if you do get the extra benefits.

Thanks for the insight and info, much appreciated

11 hours ago, Tenebrae said:

. In aged care often you are expected to do CNA role, kitchen duties, laundry duties etc

There isn't a seperate staff to do laundry and kitchen? At nursing homes CNA get paid less, but they don't have to do kitchen or laundry duty whatever that is?

4 hours ago, DesiDani said:

There isn't a seperate staff to do laundry and kitchen? At nursing homes CNA get paid less, but they don't have to do kitchen or laundry duty whatever that is?

Completely depends on the nursing home. By laundry the HCA is sorting the clients clothes not washing and ironing the bed sheets etc. Kitchen duty is dishing up and clearing plates after meals. Food is typically prepared fresh on site by cook staff rather than mass produced cook chill deliveries. Clients who are able ro may be involved in laying tables or dishing up as one of the many activities the lifestyle coordinator designs- many women with early dementia do these tasks as they have dished up dinner their whole lives.