I was totally dissed last night

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During my shift at the hospital I work at, I was talking to several nurses who know I'm an Excelsior student. This is a unit I very much want to work in when i graduate. To make a long story short, the charge nurse walks up in the middle of the convo, and asks about the program. She asked, "what about clinicals?". When I explained how the program worked, she replied "Well I hope they don't hire you for this unit, I don't see how that sort of program can produce a competent nurse." Ouch! I know she doesn't do the hiring, and when the person that does do the hiring sees my qualifications, I'll be hired on the spot. I also knew this sort of discrimination exists, but had never experienced it first hand. Very disheartening.

I posted here...and now its gone. Can somebody please tell me what happened to it? Or are there two threads exactly like this one?

Ok..I think it was removed....why? No clue..

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Total of 14 years as a registered respiratory therapist. Trained in every critical care unit (Neonatal, Pediatric & Adult), ER, Neonatal Transport Team, Rapid Response Team. Two years of Medical School, 9 months research emphasizing hemodynamics for Anesthesiology department at University of Texas.

Then it sounds like you are in the right program for you and you probably have the skills you need. I agree that learners all learn differently, and not every education program is suited for every student (that's one of the reasons why I got out of public school teaching), so while I agree that EC is for those who have some basic nursing skills through experience, I still think that students who wish to become nurses have to get skills somewhere, either before being accepted into a nursing program, or during their program of study.

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Then it sounds like you are in the right program for you and you probably have the skills you need. I agree that learners all learn differently, and not every education program is suited for every student (that's one of the reasons why I got out of public school teaching), so while I agree that EC is for those who have some basic nursing skills through experience, I still think that students who wish to become nurses have to get skills somewhere, either before being accepted into a nursing program, or during their program of study.

Agreed, but considering the logic of some who have posted in here, I would not be qualified as a non-LPN/Paramedic. It's the same kind of linear logic (black & white, yada yada) that others use to postulate that nontraditional programs produce inadequate nurses. Both programs, in my opinion, produce both adequate and inadequate product. Thanks for your input tenca, one of the few rationals in here.

I posted here...and now its gone. Can somebody please tell me what happened to it? Or are there two threads exactly like this one?

check your pm, Z.

I can assure I have never enrolled nor attempted to enroll in EC.

That's good, Lizz, because as you know, EC does not spoon feed its students.

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That's good, Lizz, because as you know, EC does not spoon feed its students.

If you want to make this personal then, go ahead and take your shot if it makes you feel better. I realize you're upset with the charge nurse's comments ... and, perhaps, some of the points I have made here. But I'll just stick with debating the issues.

;)

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Specializes in Peds stepdown ICU.
Agreed, but considering the logic of some who have posted in here, I would not be qualified as a non-LPN/Paramedic. It's the same kind of linear logic (black & white, yada yada) that others use to postulate that nontraditional programs produce inadequate nurses. Both programs, in my opinion, produce both adequate and inadequate product. Thanks for your input tenca, one of the few rationals in here.

check your pm, Z.

That's good, Lizz, because as you know, EC does not spoon feed its students.

Traditional students aren't spoon fed either. I never was spoon fed for any of my courses...traditional and non-trad...........:nono:

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Traditional students aren't spoon fed either. I never was spoon fed for any of my courses...traditional and non-trad...........:nono:

Well pedinurse ... as least we have found one thing we can agree on.

;)

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Specializes in Peds stepdown ICU.
Well pedinurse ... as least we have found one thing we can agree on.

;)

:wink2:

If anything the CPNE study guide spoon feeds the student....jeez

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But I'll just stick with debating the issues.

Ya, is this sticking to the issues?

if you're asking if I ever was an EC student, I can assure I have never enrolled nor attempted to enroll in EC.

:chuckle

your sarcasm speaks volumes.

Traditional students aren't spoon fed either.
Traditional education, be it nursing or whatever, when compared to a 'self taught' format, can be construed as spoon fed. Many instructors I have had as a student and as a colleague have referred to traditional education as such. So, if the shoe fits, if not then disregard.
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Specializes in Peds stepdown ICU.
Ya, is this sticking to the issues?

your sarcasm speaks volumes.

Traditional education, be it nursing or whatever, when compared to a 'self taught' format, can be construed as spoon fed. Many instructors I have had as a student and as a colleague have referred to traditional education as such. So, if the shoe fits, if not then disregard.

Totally untrue and unfounded. If this were the case why are so many people failing traditional classes? When my husband received his degree from UF and sat in classes with over 500+ students...no time for this so called spoon feeding. Keep it real. This thread is headed south. Lizz, I respect your view and can definately understand it as it relates to Exceslior--but as with anything in life, different strokes for different folks. Law--I realize you have experience in related nursing fields but I stand by my OPINION that Excelsior must tighten their admission policy to be more reflective of what administration seeks to hire as a qualified nurse. As I previously stated, EC is the only program I know that lets chiropractors and RT's bridge--deviating this much from the norm = trouble--for a non-trad college already experiencing backlash from BON.

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Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.

It never ceases to amaze me how things are irrational to someone if they are in disagreement with another.

People do not have to agree with an opinion to be respectful to it...

OR EACH OTHER.

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Specializes in Peds stepdown ICU.
They are unable to regurg what they are fed.

You find me irrational becaue you don't agree with me, Marie? I don't follow.

Agreed

Have a good day. And think twice before you troll one of my threads.

and further south yet..........

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Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
You find me irrational becaue you don't agree with me, Marie? I don't follow.

Uh, no, what i said was "it never ceases to amaze me how things are irrational to someone if they are in disagreement with another." You agreed with someone, so they are automatically rational to you, is the way it's appearing, considering the disrespect dished to those in disagreement (not limited to just one person).

Have a good day. And think twice before you troll one of my threads.

It's a public board, and you take that risk of not getting what you're looking for when you start a thread. You also take the risk of getting opinions you don't like or agree with.

In other words, slams and insults do nothing to validate a point. Not to mention it has nothing to do with the OP.

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