I wanted to ask a question of you all... it is difficult for me to explain the whole situation without writing a book. But, basically, let me give you a little background before I ask the question.
This place I've been working for a little while is,,, different,, to say the least. There is such a huge disconnect between management and nursing staff/patients. It is more obvious than I have seen it anywhere. So MANY things have been going wrong with this place. It all comes down to the disconnect, and management's will to run patient care even though they are not licensed or certified in any healthcare aspect. For example, we had a Physical therapy assistant standing in as the nursing manager. ,,, what the heck!!, right? You can't do that! But, they did.
SO many things have been done wrong at this place, and it is to the expense of the patients. So, two weeks ago, me and a few other nurses there went to a job fair somewhere else and were all hired with huge bonuses and higher pay. We were all scared to put our two weeks notice in because this management has a history of walking the staff out of the building the minute they put their notice in.... I don't know about the others, but I cannot go two weeks without working.
So, I didn't put my notice in. Neither did anyone else. This last weekend, again, at the expense of the patients (more than one) something really bad happened. Several processes failed. My friend put her notice to resign in, and two minutes later was being escorted to her locker and then out the building. Like a criminal, she might as well have been in handcuffs. She didn't do anything wrong!! They didn't let her work the last two weeks.
She was crying so hard when she called me that I jumped up and drove to where she was to help her calm down. I honestly believe that management was threatened by this nurse because she is smart, and she doesn't kiss butt over taking care of the patients. Her number one concern is the quality of care of the patients. NOT kissing butt to the management.
I can't bring myself to go back into that place. It is BAD. So bad that I can't even walk back in there. I've never walked away from a job before, no matter how bad it got, but this is a new all time, bad.
Okay, now that I've got that off my chest,,,,,, here's the question..
Is it okay for a hospital to make it standard procedure to make their staff leave the moment they've given their two week notice? Why do you think they do that? Are they afraid the staff might bring more people with her? Are the feeling threatened?
This isn't the only person they've done it too. They do it to EVERYONE!
Sounds like a very bad place to work. Our hospital will walk out employees (if they are still within their first 6 months' employment trail period)who have been performing badly in some way. Seems to me to be a very humiliating, immoral thing to do to someone. If an employee submits a resignation, no such "walk-out" occurs.
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Lets say you plan to work 'till April 1st, and your 2 wks notice would have been given two weeks prior. Then with this company you would give them your resignation letter on April 1st, obviously knowing they were not going to let you work 2 additional weeks anyway. But your letter would not mention that. You have to give yourself the benefit of the doubt.
When I resigned previously, first I called out sick to use up my remaining sick days (my vac and personal days were already depleted). I had my necessary doctor's note, which I faxed to them. Then on the day I was due back, I came in extra early and handed them my letter of resignation. It was effective that very day. My locker was already emptied of anything of value since my last week of work (since I'd planned ahead).
The employer doesn't give us 2 wks notice when they terminate employees, why is the burden on the employee to be thoughtful of them.
That job situation had become a stress filled one for me, and I had been planning my departure for a time. Previously when I tried to leave I allowed myself to be talked out of it. So I had to go the stealth route. Its definitely not for everyone, but it was for me.
Sounds like a very bad place to work. Our hospital will walk out employees (if they are still within their first 6 months' employment trail period)who have been performing badly in some way. Seems to me to be a very humiliating, immoral thing to do to someone. If an employee submits a resignation, no such "walk-out" occurs.
Exactly! We were model employees. Very good nurses, charge nurses that basically ran the hospital on the weekends while management didn't give a crap what happened... well, I could go on and on, but I am done with it!
I am just glad that I made the decision to not let them have the satisfaction of walking me out. I've always been the best nurse that I could be, and I won't be treated like that.. Now I don't have to worry about it anymore :)
I just feel like the only nurses staying there are the ones that have no clue what's going on. I can imagine that little bad things will continue to happen,, until one day something BIG will happen, and I am definitely not going to be there. :)
Lets say you plan to work 'till April 1st, and your 2 wks notice would have been given two weeks prior. Then with this company you would give them your resignation letter on April 1st, obviously knowing they were not going to let you work 2 additional weeks anyway. But your letter would not mention that. You have to give yourself the benefit of the doubt.
When I resigned previously, first I called out sick to use up my remaining sick days (my vac and personal days were already depleted). I had my necessary doctor's note, which I faxed to them. Then on the day I was due back, I came in extra early and handed them my letter of resignation. It was effective that very day. My locker was already emptied of anything of value since my last week of work (since I'd planned ahead).
The employer doesn't give us 2 wks notice when they terminate employees, why is the burden on the employee to be thoughtful of them.
That job situation had become a stress filled one for me, and I had been planning my departure for a time. Previously when I tried to leave I allowed myself to be talked out of it. So I had to go the stealth route. Its definitely not for everyone, but it was for me.
This is sort of what I did. However, my friend that was walked out was still very loyal to the company and was still trying to decide what to do. ... There was a straw that broke the camel's back, that's when she gave them notice,, and you know the rest. It's hard to see a very good friend crying, and it was all a very stupid decision by management. Not the only stupid decision they've made, and I'm sure it's not the last.
I just had no idea that this went on anywhere, I guess I am just a sheltered country girl... lol
Specializes in Peds Cardiology,Peds Neuro,Pedi ER,PICU, IV Jedi.
Sorry to hear of your troubles, MagSulfate. There are better facilities out there, it may just take a little while to find the right one for you (and your friends). Do your homework, find somewhere better, and leave that godforsaken hellhole,ASAP.
I once worked for a DON who had been escorted from her job at a local hospital. This strange turn of events was related to me by a coworker. I encountered the info again, at, of all places, a job interview. While I can empathize with your desire to leave the place, I hope that by not going back you didn't risk giving the ex employer the chance to say that you left without notice before your time was up. I can speak from experience that ex employers who have an axe to grind will use anything, even lies, to hurt a former employee. Good luck with your new job.
I used to work at a printing company and that's basically what they did to me. They were doing layoffs and as I was the low man on the seniority totem pole they let me go first.
I'll never forget the day they laid me off though. It was like any other workday. I worked my shift. When I punched out at the end of the day, the foreman was standing behind me, he said, "Can I see your badge?" Although it was kind of an unusual request, I handed it to him. He stuck it in his pocket and then he said, "We won't be requiring your services any longer. I'll be walking you out of the building." He walked me out, and that was it.
The way it happened kind of sucked, because I had a stay-at-home wife and a new baby at the time. The rent was due, and I didn't have another job lined up. Oh well, life went on!
Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.
I remember a situation from a few years ago where one of my coworkers was hired into a temporary clinical educator position. When the position was posted as a permanent one near the end of her term she applied for it but was not the successful candidate. When the new educator took over the position a couple of weeks later the computer in the office had been reformatted. All of the unit's education records were gone. All the slide shows and visual aids were gone. She also had taken every textbook and clinical guideline out of the office. THAT's why they walk people out.
I remember a situation from a few years ago where one of my coworkers was hired into a temporary clinical educator position. When the position was posted as a permanent one near the end of her term she applied for it but was not the successful candidate. When the new educator took over the position a couple of weeks later the computer in the office had been reformatted. All of the unit's education records were gone. All the slide shows and visual aids were gone. She also had taken every textbook and clinical guideline out of the office. THAT's why they walk people out.
To be honest about it, I can't say that I blame her.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.
To be honest about it, I can't say that I blame her.
Perhaps if any of that stuff actually belonged to her, or if she'd developed any of it herself I could maybe understand. But she used materials that were already developed by someone else, the books belonged to the hospital and so did the data on the computer. All the lesson plans, slides, handouts, diagrams and other learning materials had been created by her predecessor; all she did was use them. And the reason that she wasn't hired into the permanent position was that she wasn't an effective educator. She destroyed years of someone else's hard work and sabotaged hospital equipment. That's wrong and it's indefensible.
I've been at a new hospital for exactly a month now. Much much better. I'm not afraid of going into work anymore. All three of us are happy, and very glad that we moved on when we did. The facility in question is doing very bad from what I've heard, but there's nothing more I can do about it.
I'm still afraid of retaliation, so I haven't contacted the management company. I'm just glad to be gone and glad that nothing bad happened to my license while I was there. That goes three fold for all of us.
Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
I guess I must be pretty naive. I can certainly see how a company may escort an employee out if they are being fired or laid off. There is a real concern about retribution or causing havoc amongst their co-workers. I do not see what the fear is if an employee does give notice, though. Isn't giving notice a win-win, so that the employee can be replaced in a timely fashion, and the employee is paid that last 2 weeks? I've had situations where I could have started the next day at the new employer, but didn't because I didn't want to leave the old employer in the lurch.
In the case of this company, it seems like management would rather severely compromise their resident's care by having three charge nurse positions unfilled for however long, than pay them for an extra 2 weeks each. It strikes me as vindictive.
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Sounds like a very bad place to work. Our hospital will walk out employees (if they are still within their first 6 months' employment trail period)who have been performing badly in some way. Seems to me to be a very humiliating, immoral thing to do to someone. If an employee submits a resignation, no such "walk-out" occurs.