I might be in trouble. I will not use restraints, care planned or not.

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We had a very demented gentleman, very childlike, who is a one assist since he's rather unsteady. Because we can't get him to sit still the charge nurse care planned a geri chair with a tray (for those in the UK, the big, padded recliners on wheels).

He's had a lot of back pain for which he has Tylenol 3 Q6H PRN, and for his agitation Ativan 0.25 mg Q6H PRN. He also has IM Haldol. And, of course, no one ever uses these meds because they're controlled substances and if you actually use them you get a reputation for overusing PRESCRIBED meds.

Well. I work with "perfect nurse." You have one. She writes up everyone for everything and does everything according to the very rigid book. SHE asked me this mornig if he had an order for anything injectable. I told her I was giving him an Ativan. I also gave him a T3 for his back pain - hardly an obtunding combo.

It immediately calmed him down. Pleasant all AM.

After lunch things were hectic, as always. Perfect Nurse was floating TX between 2 units. I TOLD her I'd take care of our PM tx's - they are three neds, a cath, and an inhaler. She insisted on doing it all. I had kiddingly told her at lunch that I would chemically restrain demented wanderer with Ativan and T3 at 2. I did plan on repeating the dosages, but geeze Louise, hear the sarcasm, no?

Well. He won' sit still. We're busy. I have 5 minutes until being done with my med pass. They want him in the geri-chair. I knowm how badly this distresses him so I say, "give me 5 minutes and I'll take him over." They insist that there aren't 5 minutes. An aide grabs the chair, Perfect Nurse grabs him, and they indicate the tray and say, "Sue? Well?" I got to grab him and he's flailing and striking and yelling, "NO!"

I let him go. I said, "Okay, buddy. It's okay." The aides are yelling at me that they'll get into trouble if he falls. I told them that I had obviously accepted responsibility for him. Gave him his meds. Within 5 minutes he was calm and smiling again.

This affectionate childlike man now flinches when anyone goes to touch him.

Perfect Nurse goes to the charge nurse, repeats what I said about chemically restraining him, and explains that I refused to follow the care plan. I told her to fire me on the spot because a care plan wasn't carved in granite and I was not going to in effect chain the nut to the radiator because he was inconvenient. I then burst into tears - I feel very passionately about this issue. Talk about indignity!

I'm not going to survive LTC.

Specializes in ICU of all kinds, CVICU, Cath Lab, ER..

I agree Perfect Nurse needs a reality check... she has waay tooo much time on her hands... what IS her problem!

I think you are treating the patient with dignity and love, BRAAVO for you!!

I would just calmly tell the DON that if Perfect Nurse gets in your way one more time, the facility will have one more patient to take care of. :D

And I wholly agree with Suz4, if Perfect Nurse is an LVN/LPN, "...she has no authority to delegate to you, or to take over your patient." Period. Make that point to the DON as well.

Stiff upper lip! Good Luck. Let us know how things transpire.

where i come from you have to have a drs order for a restraint......the charge could care plan all she wants, wouldnt make it legal....

Specializes in Nursing Home ,Dementia Care,Neurology..

Poor Sue! "Perfect nurses"are a pain in the butt!Picture the scene,a few years ago now.Perfect nurse can't control agitated resident so she sits him in a chair ,then proceeds to tie his legs to chair! She then goes and documents exactly what she has done!Whole building was bricking it incase the Care Commission came in and picked up on this,luckily they didn't.

"Perfect nurses"usually lack confidence and go by the book so that no one can say they are wrong,they run/phone supervisor for help instead of making their own decisions,and,when they do make decisions it's usually the wrong one!

As other posters have said,why isn't he written up for regular meds,if you do a 3-4 day pain assessment on him documenting the fact that he is relaxed and happy after pain relief and does not need to be restrained surely the docs will write him up for regular meds.

Hang in there ,Sue,your facility needs you,it does not need the likes of "perfect nurse" and the aides need to know that you are the one to listen to,not her.

Specializes in midwifery, gen surgical, community.

I have a perfect plan for perfect nurse.,

Restrain perfect nurse to a chair for most of the day.

Keep hitting perfect nurse over the head to inflict pain. Do not offer any form of pain relief to alleviate headache.

Get perfect nurse written up for sitting down on the job.:trout:

Specializes in LTC, home health, critical care, pulmonary nursing.

I'm not going to survive LTC.

Dude. Yes you will. Those who can't speak for themselves need people like you to advocate for them.

Specializes in critical care transport.
We had a very demented gentleman, very childlike, who is a one assist since he's rather unsteady. Because we can't get him to sit still the charge nurse care planned a geri chair with a tray (for those in the UK, the big, padded recliners on wheels).

He's had a lot of back pain for which he has Tylenol 3 Q6H PRN, and for his agitation Ativan 0.25 mg Q6H PRN. He also has IM Haldol. And, of course, no one ever uses these meds because they're controlled substances and if you actually use them you get a reputation for overusing PRESCRIBED meds.

Well. I work with "perfect nurse." You have one. She writes up everyone for everything and does everything according to the very rigid book. SHE asked me this mornig if he had an order for anything injectable. I told her I was giving him an Ativan. I also gave him a T3 for his back pain - hardly an obtunding combo.

It immediately calmed him down. Pleasant all AM.

After lunch things were hectic, as always. Perfect Nurse was floating TX between 2 units. I TOLD her I'd take care of our PM tx's - they are three neds, a cath, and an inhaler. She insisted on doing it all. I had kiddingly told her at lunch that I would chemically restrain demented wanderer with Ativan and T3 at 2. I did plan on repeating the dosages, but geeze Louise, hear the sarcasm, no?

Well. He won' sit still. We're busy. I have 5 minutes until being done with my med pass. They want him in the geri-chair. I knowm how badly this distresses him so I say, "give me 5 minutes and I'll take him over." They insist that there aren't 5 minutes. An aide grabs the chair, Perfect Nurse grabs him, and they indicate the tray and say, "Sue? Well?" I got to grab him and he's flailing and striking and yelling, "NO!"

I let him go. I said, "Okay, buddy. It's okay." The aides are yelling at me that they'll get into trouble if he falls. I told them that I had obviously accepted responsibility for him. Gave him his meds. Within 5 minutes he was calm and smiling again.

This affectionate childlike man now flinches when anyone goes to touch him.

Perfect Nurse goes to the charge nurse, repeats what I said about chemically restraining him, and explains that I refused to follow the care plan. I told her to fire me on the spot because a care plan wasn't carved in granite and I was not going to in effect chain the nut to the radiator because he was inconvenient. I then burst into tears - I feel very passionately about this issue. Talk about indignity!

I'm not going to survive LTC.

When I'm old, I hope I have a nurse like you.

Screw her. I mean it in the most nicest of ways, of course.

You are awesome and a true patient advocate. Imagine whose side God would take.;)

Dude. Yes you will. Those who can't speak for themselves need people like you to advocate for them.

:yeahthat: I cannot agree more. Well said!

Aw, guys, thank you all so much.

DON knows about perfect nurse. But we are in a very rural area, we're union (closed shop state), PN has been there a thousand years - there's no way anything's happening. And nightmare summed her up perfectly - she wants a rule book to hide behind.

It's not a matter of whose patient it is - they're all ours. But one thing is clear, and you guys picked up on it - it wasn't so much about the care plan as wanting it done her way.

Shw was veeeerrrrry nice to me today. I do think she gets that I will *never* call out unless I have bubonic plague, I *will* pick up tasks for her when we're short, I *am* a competent nurse, that she hurt my feelings, and I *do* care about these demented old farts. And she does, too. She's a good person when I don't want to beat the poop outta her.

Oh, and demented wandering old gentleman ended up wandering right the heck out of the facility. Took three aides and two nurses to get him into the geri-chair and an order for IM haldol (haloperidol for you Scots) to keep him in it. Of course, we have a PRN for that but the evening nurse called the doctor anyway. :rolleyes:

But everyone's giving him Ativan (lorazepam) today! Heh. Not just me.

There's a thread going on right now about why nurses don't give PRN controlled substances - you get a reputation as being cavalier and you get into trouble. It's happened to me, but ask me if I give a rat's rear. Pain is the enemy.

And New York State is the most highly regulated state as regards health care in the union. And that's pretty intensely regulated.

The restraints/tray table has been approved by the doctor. Hey, I'll use it if he's dangerous. But not if he's inconvenient. Which he is, well, always.

Thanks again. It's so good to have this forum. This is the only place that anyone really gets it.

Specializes in Gerontology, Med surg, Home Health.

IM Haldol in LTC? We never use IM Haldol...the DPH in this state would cite us for sure.

The other particularly disturbing part of your post:T3 every 6 hours? For one thing codeine is a poor choice in the elderly and 1 every 6 hours would not manage anyone's pain. I've seen time after time, especially on a dementia unit, agitated people getting anxiolytics and antipsychotics when what they really needed was an analgesic. If you've ever been in any kind of significant pain and really when you've been in pain for a while....you get cranky. Now if you're demented and can't verbalize that pain what are you going to do? Act out, be really cranky. The under use of pain medication is horrible.

IM Haldol in LTC? We never use IM Haldol...the DPH in this state would cite us for sure.

Us either. We put it in the coffee instead...for the staff.

Us either. We put it in the coffee instead...for the staff.

*snort*

capecod, the resident is verbal and able to express himself. We had him on stronger pain meds but they completely whacked him out. But yeah, that's a very low dosage and I agree that pain is undermedicated. Thank the war on drugs - but that's another thread.

He gets very aggressive and it's well documented that he can be dengerous hence the need sometimes for Haldol.

We have been using the chair, but it was interesting to see the difference in how my charge nurse - I reall like and respect her - approaches him than Perfect Nurse did, and we have been able to use it without getting him MORE agitated.

*sigh*

Here is my living will: Please shoot me before I need an LTC.

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