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sbic56, BSN, RN

Specializes in Obstetrics, M/S, Psych. Has 24 years experience.

Well said, katscan.

I never encouraged my kids in the direction of nursing. I want better for them than I have had for myself. Nursing has provided and OK living for me and has had its rewards, but given the chance to be 20 again and starting over, would I take the same course? No. I wonder how many nurses actually would encourage their children to take the same path as they did? Not very many in my circle of peers.

okay, here is my 2 cents...

Whoever said "Open mouth-Insert foot"-amen. I don't think he meant to be rude, even though he was. I would have been VERY offended-and would have let him know it! I am assuming that his daughter just started in shcool, and he doesn't know how difficult it is. Once she gets further along, and he sees how much studying, practicing, and stress she has-he will understand. Hey, not everyone can make it through the program! Also, maybe he has been blessed with good health and has not been in the hospital. I have found, people opinions change GREATLY when they see how busy nurses are and how they still find time to give optimum care.

WHAT DID YOU SAY TO HIM!!

I do not think the guy was rude at all. Let's face it folks, doctors command more respect immediately than nurses-especially with our multiple ways of getting our RN. He is being practical-physicians earn more too for the investment of the college years over a lifetime than nurses. Physicians go at least 8 years to college. Some nurses have only 2 years. My parents invested 5 years on my BSN and when I got out the garbage men in my community earned more than I did. I had to work crazy hours for very low pay. In no way do I regret my nursing degree, I am just being practical. You have to WANT to be a nurse, as the financial renumeration is very poor for most of us and it is almost impossible to raise a family on what we make-let alone be physically present for our children. The man is proud of his daughter,no doubt and wants the best quality of life for her. Physicians on the whole have a much better quality of life after work than nurses, I feel. He was just wishing that his daughter is not going to face what we all discuss on this board...

SmilingBluEyes

Has 20 years experience.

yep physicians have a better quality of life materially after work than i do...

but they DO NOT HAVE THE TIME with their kids that I do----YOUNG and while they NEED me....they just hire nannies or help to deal with the lil monsters....or let their WIVES do it if they are male......

Can't COUNT how many times I have heard doctor parents try hard to explain to Cindy or Joey why they cannot make their school play, church school confirmation, or any manner of HUGE life events due to their obligation to work and career. I feel sorry for them, not envious!!!!!

OH yes, doctors have it so much better than me......,

they have HUGE houses...HUGE mortgages.....HUGE egos (often)

these can be ensnaring....... when you have a HIGH standard of living you tend to have to make more to live better and keep up. I feel NO such pressure....

They often start their careers with HUGE debts to medical schools, in the 6 figure range, easily, unless they were military as students/residents/interns.

I started *my* career debt-free and late in life. NO regret here!

I work when I want to......around my family's life, cause they are what matter, not a career, money and the "big house on the fairway"........

All in all, I say nursing has been good to me.....enabled me to make enough money for us to be comfortable, homeschool my kids and be a MOM first. NEVER could do that as a doctor. All our lady docs are at the hospital much more than they want to be.....but their choices are limited by their obligations.....

So no, I don't understand physician- envy in any nurse......we all can do what we WANT TO IN THIS COUNTRY if we work hard enough....but..........and having material goods will only go "so far" if you don't have anything else to come home to at the end of your 18hour day.....

as always, JMO.

I certianly did not mean to "whine" about it on the board. I was more dumbfounded than insulted. It really is not bothering me that much. Like I said I just can not believe he said that. Sorry but it is rude. I do not care what context it is in. I would never in a million years say something like "Oh my son wants to be a farmer, what a waste" to someone that is a farmer. It is just common sense and respect for those around you no matter what they do.

Physician envy?? Was your comment directed at me? Let me repeat that I do not regret my decision to be a nurse in ANY way, and do not "envy " physicians. You are putting words in my mouth if this comment was made to me. Personally I would hate to be one. Please read my post carefully. I was stating what I thought the man probably thought when he made the remark in relation to his daughter. By the way, I was always home for my kids-I was their school nurse,have been one for 21 years and yes, we just bought a big house "on the fairway" even though there are trees between. Is there something wrong with wanting that? I am 52 years old and have worked all my life and agree that family is first. It is just nice to be able to enjoy some of the things I have worked for. Oh yeah, I have been married 30 years to a veterinarian. We were very poor when we were married and he was a student while I worked. Yes I have the good things in life and have worked for them. Do you know too many people married 30 years? I don't need to envy physicians in the slightest.

Why is it that if your smart, "you should be an MD". My husband is a PA, and he gets that comment all the time. I guess some people define themselves as to the rank that they have, it is a shame. Everyone has special qualities, some RN's could not be MD's(hours away from family,etc), most MD's could not be nurses. Everyone has a style, it's too bad that his daughter has to feel that her passion is "less than sufficient", b/c her father wants her to compensate for his lack of confidence.

Okay, it is clear that this guy made himself look like an IDIOT! I wonder if he thought about how you may have took it on his drive home. You know, something I'm sure WE would do if we thought we offended some one (after we apologized, of course;) )

But, WHAT DID YOU SAY TO HIM??? Inquiring minds want to know.

Or were you just to shocked to say anything?

I did not really say anything. I seriously did not know what to say. I think I mumbled something like "Nursing is really had work."

In thinking back, I should have just made a joke or something. Like "Just a nurse, Hey!!!"

I think I may have bluerted out " EXCUSE ME??" in a manner that usually gets people's attention. (I seem to be doing that a LOT lately). That way he would have to explain his reasoning. Hey, sometimes it leads to a very enlightening conversation for "ignorant" person. And helps you feel better, too!

Brownms46

Specializes in Everything except surgery. Has 27 years experience.

Originally posted by TeenyBabyRN

I believe the public perception of nurses began its sharp downfall shortly after former first lady Clinton made the comment that "Nurses are underworked and overpaid." This was at the same time Slick Willy was trying to push his health care reformplan through. What a joke - if you think back...healthcare as a whole began a sharp downfall during that time.

Please tell me when and where this was said by Hillary.

SmilingBluEyes

Has 20 years experience.

katscan my comment was *not* directed at you. SO don't your dander all up needlessly.......but....lets face it, the problem exists....

i see it out there in the "world".......and yes, I hear many coworkers whine about the big, fancy houses dr's have, their cars, material things, etc........and ya know what? It changes nothing. Any one of these nurses I am thinking of, has MORE than the "brains" and "ability" to become an M.D. yet chose not to. So instead of being happy with their choice, or actively doing something to change it, they complain. It's a cop-out and the easy way ---we nurses often want sympathy. But we don't get it from anyone.......so we complain some more....

And then we get upset when we overhear stupid comments about being "smart enough" to be an M.D. , rather than a lowly nurse. Should it upset us so? Not if we are happy w/what we are doing. Yes, we *all* could be paid more and are certainly worth more.....but guess what ---doctors often believe that, too, likening their "pittance" incomes to **nothing** compared to pro sports players or entertainers.

We ALL deserve to be paid more, considering our responsiblitities. But to get upset or take offense at ignorant, though well-meaning comments like the one above, does not help, either. I daresay in many, it awakens some feelings of envy or jealousy, so many of us react. I would not react like that myself.....just let the comment slide for the ignorant words they are and consider the source.

Getting defensive and taking it personally will certainly NOT help anyone, including the nursing profession. Yet this is exactly what we do......

SmilingBluEyes

Has 20 years experience.

i like mstewart's idea myself. very effective.

I totally agree with you. It just makes me sick that with our educations and THE LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY we have ,we are not valued more. I am proud of being a nurse!! I never refer to myself as 'just a nurse', but hold up my head proudly! I daresay that some of these teachers I work with could never pass enough courses in what WE have to take to get close to a nursing degree. The education courses I had to take for school nurse cert. in Ohio were a piece of cake and this was at the grad level! I probably could have been a dr. with a heck of a debt to pay, but I would not have enjoyed it.Besides at the time I did not have the maturity for it, i don't think. Yes I agree that the comment is mindless, and to get upset is pointless, and yes to whine without trying to do something,or to envy others will get us nowhere. That's why the comment the man made would not have bothered me-it is ignorant. And who made him so all important that his words should have such power? Some of the nurses are so defensive and protective that they get easily offended. This man needs to be educated, as do some of the physicians who see us as "lowly" I am glad that we are both contented with what we are and where we are in life. Now if we could just win the lottery...........Ha! Ha!

SmilingBluEyes

Has 20 years experience.

agree 100% w/you here katscan. i have NO doubt you, too, could be an MD if you chose to. there is no dishonor in nursing other than that we may bring upon ourselves.

Tweety, BSN, RN

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac. Has 28 years experience.

Originally posted by stella123 rn

I certianly did not mean to "whine" about it on the board. I was more dumbfounded than insulted. It really is not bothering me that much. Like I said I just can not believe he said that. Sorry but it is rude. I do not care what context it is in. I would never in a million years say something like "Oh my son wants to be a farmer, what a waste" to someone that is a farmer. It is just common sense and respect for those around you no matter what they do.

I would have been dumfounded too. He knew you were a nurse. That's exactly what I find rude. If you were not a nurse, I might have a different opinion.

You weren't whining.

LadyNASDAQ

Specializes in ICU's,TELE,MED- SURG. Has 28 years experience.

You are insulted and with good reason. Remember, most people think we do bedpan duty and yes Dr. this and that. Yep, we do that and save lives also.

What do I think? I think that if I had a daughter I would want her to go to medical school, too. If he has the money, send her to the best. Being a Dr. still has its rewards. We aren't in this to make the 6 figure income. We are in this to model ourselves like Ms. Nightingale and bless the infirmed with our drvotion to healing and being compassionate for humankind.

I think you misunderstand what he is thinking. He wants the best for his daughter and he feels that being a Dr. has its prestige in the world which it does as well as being financially more well off.

I became a Nurse to bless people with good. I invest my money to make up the difference and decided long ago not to have children because I feel that it is a sacrifice to work as a Nurse and you don't have a lot to share after a 12 hr. shift. He wants the best for his daughter. I hope she succeeds.

Marie_LPN, RN, LPN, RN

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.

Originally posted by TeenyBabyRN

I believe the public perception of nurses began its sharp downfall shortly after former first lady Clinton made the comment that "Nurses are underworked and overpaid." This was at the same time Slick Willy was trying to push his health care reformplan through. What a joke - if you think back...healthcare as a whole began a sharp downfall during that time.

Shew, i remember when she said that. Thought to myself "and Hillary Clinton of ALL people WOULD know how it is to be underworked and overpaid."

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