How would Medicare for all affect nursing?

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There's talk and hope in many quarters that the United States will end up with Medicare for all. How would this affect nursing?

I currently pay a lot for my portion of high deductible insurance through work. It's basically mainly useless to me since I'm healthy, don't take meds etc. Even going to the doctor would cost me.

Honestly, the middle class has become the new underserved in America. Frugal, responsible people think twice about going to the doctor because of huge copays that have made basic healthcare a budget buster.

How would Medicare for all affect the middle class, nursing in particular? Employers would no longer have to pay for insurance. Would they pass savings on to us in the form of higher wages? How would we fare economically with higher taxes? Would the poor government compensation to facilities drive down wages?

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1 hour ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Nah. Nothing American to be hit with more taxes just because some person who never did anything in the real world, decided that I or others, are making "too much money."

So what do you think about corporations who do not pay income tax? They derive benefit from "socialistic" services such as roads, electrical grid, water, fire, police, schools that train employees. Shouldn't they throw something in?

Almost half of Americans buy into this makers vs. takers mentality, and we must blame the other. They just can't wrap their head around the idea that by making everyone healthier, we become stronger. In order to feel superior, they have to put down people who don't measure up to their standards and play the victim about paying taxes.

It doesn't matter that many of the people who don't pay taxes are retired, disabled or children. They have this simplistic view that someone in poverty just doesn't want to have a good job. Everything is black and white.

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9 minutes ago, morelostthanfound said:

As I've said before, I think the propaganda and skewed media campaigns (funded by the health insurance industry/AMA) have veiled the reality for many-that the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world has a broken and mostly ineffective system of health care. With just a little skepticism and research, it's pretty apparent that while not perfect, other developed countries have far superior systems that cover more, cost less, and deliver far better outcomes. As a nurse and a caring person, I'm not OK with a system that perpetuates leaving millions out in the cold without the most basic of medical care-as a nation, we can and should do better!

Is anyone stopping or preventing you for paying for the health care of others?

Oh that's right.

You just want to force "all of us" to buy into your plan that will no doubt

a) raise taxes

b) raise health care costs

c) prevent competition

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For open minded members who are interested you can go to " SEC. 1001. MEDICARE FOR ALL TRANSITION OVER TWO YEARS". Here is a link to the Medicare For All bill as introduced.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1384/text#toc-H6DA838A217204AA08FEFE878FF2E8AEE

I suspect that naysayers will balk so it will take a long time to pass, and more than two years to complete the roll out.

Then all will not be perfect, but all Americans will have equal or better access to healthcare that we do now.

(ME? I have excellent healthcare. I have Medicare and a supplement. No copay and I can go to any doctor I want.)

My daughter has an ACA plan and pays premiums. My son and daughter-in-law struggle with an "employer pays two thirds" plan (currently) and seems to change plans every two years.

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3 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

This is getting funny now. ?

So the discussion (Medicare for all) has been started.

Our side (the ones against Medicare for all plan) has given a proposal: do a research using our country--and see if it works or not. If IT works, trust me, I'll be one of the largest advocates of promoting universal health care for our nation. (the main criteria: do not increase taxes, do not increase health care costs, and have the availability of services)

Your side (the ones for Medicare for all plan) has the approach of: Look at Europe but you're not allowed to look at Asia. Just implement it and it will work. My way or the highway. Just do it.

Why even titrate? Just run Vancomycin for everything type of a mentality.

Anyways, all this talk is just fantasy.

Let our votes speak. That is action.

The research already exists: https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20110920.013390/full/

https://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20190211/NEWS/190219996/medicare-medicaid-contain-costs-better-than-private-insurers-study-says

So you want a small scale trial so we can see how something that already exists on a large scale would work on a large scale?

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Oh. I didn't know there was a research conducted already!

Wait.

On paper-limited to paper?

Implement it. Seriously? Is this what you call evidence based?

Sample population/geography. Give them all free health care.

Let's see if it'll work out. I'm guessing it'll be approx a year until residents will start moving out seeking "safe harbor."

Just like Massachusetts, California, New Jersey, and New York.

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27 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Is anyone stopping or preventing you for paying for the health care of others?

Oh that's right.

You just want to force "all of us" to buy into your plan that will no doubt

a) raise taxes

b) raise health care costs

c) prevent competition

I'm going to disengage from this debate now as your comments are becoming more incoherent, rambling, and misinformed screeds that have effectively hijacked the thread. Before, Grumpy asked if you were on drugs and I am beginning to think likewise!

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Oh no. I'm not on drugs. ?

I just love the part about Grumpy, going all berserk regarding the Electoral system.

Doesn't take much conversation to bring out "your side's" true nature.

"Constitution is for us when it suits us, but we are all for altering the Constitution when it doesn't suit our side."

Must be nice.

We (our side) can see your tax scheme from a mile away.

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47 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Oh. I didn't know there was a research conducted already!

Wait.

On paper-limited to paper?

Implement it. Seriously? Is this what you call evidence based?

Sample population/geography. Give them all free health care.

Let's see if it'll work out. I'm guessing it'll be approx a year until residents will start moving out seeking "safe harbor."

Just like Massachusetts, California, New Jersey, and New York.

I'm not sure how you're under the impression that Medicare doesn't already exist, maybe you could clarify that.

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1 hour ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Is anyone stopping or preventing you for paying for the health care of others?

Oh that's right.

You just want to force "all of us" to buy into your plan that will no doubt

a) raise taxes

b) raise health care costs

c) prevent competition

How do you propose ensuring that those who choose not to pay into the system despite being able to never end up incurring costs. If someone who has opted out of paying shows up at a hospital having an MI or stroke, would at least a morphine drip be covered?

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We need to overhaul health care plans.

THAT I agree.

Your system is the "force all to participate" attitude, where citizens do not have the option to get their own type of insurance or pay out of pocket.

I don't have a plan for that though.

I'm just a mere citizen that is a taxpayer and live by abiding to the rules and laws of this nation. ?

Let the Politicians do their jobs for a change and actually do something instead of yapping their mouth on Cspan.

It's just like Japan. They promise so many things and have the greatest idea to solve every single problem of the nation while they are campaigning..

and once they get elected..it's like, they are busy playing golf or taking foreign trips.

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1 hour ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Oh. I didn't know there was a research conducted already!

Wait.

On paper-limited to paper?

Implement it. Seriously? Is this what you call evidence based?

Sample population/geography. Give them all free health care.

Let's see if it'll work out. I'm guessing it'll be approx a year until residents will start moving out seeking "safe harbor."

Just like Massachusetts, California, New Jersey, and New York.

Had you already read the studies?

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