Hospital Nurses

[mario_ragucci]

Yesterday at clinicals I asked our instructor, at the end of the day's group meeting, what a nursing student should do if the nurses atthe rehab center I was at won't talk to you, when you attempt to obtain PT related information like meds... or anything. I know they can see my school patch I wear on my arm.

Anyway...someone heard me say this, and on my way out themeeting an unknown employee there, who said he/she was a employee there, and she knew who I was talking about, and she thinks I should watch my mouth ifi am gonna talk about someone. Jeez, she knew me and what sector i was in and I never seen her before.

I tell ya, I could not want anything less than for anyone to get negative with me, and I can communicate well and accept everything you say. During our exchange, he/she said "I'm tired of you -hospital nurses- coming here and talking down to us." Hospital nurses, wait, but I am a nursing student

Yesterday i wore my Long White Lab coat, and since i am a euro-caucasion american 38 yo male, I'm thinking maybe some people may bugout at this sight, or at least be INDIMIDATED by it.

Do "HOSPITAL NURSES" and "sniff NURSES" interact well? Do you automatically expect an additude to accompany a type of apparel? A long white lab coat? A nice looking woman in a business suit? Young? Old? Size? Gender? Plus, the way times are today, people make attempts to conceal their ID's, if they wear them at all, which makes having any conversation blocked.

What unknown animosity do RN harbor based on location.

[Q.]

Originally posted by rebelwaclause

Off Topic:

Man-o-man. Send me an updated list of moderators. Thanks.

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[ktwlpn, LPN]

Originally posted by Youda

OK. Point understood. I just don't like to see several people starting to criticize one person. That's usually when a thread turns ugly as the person being criticized usually starts to defend themselves, then the other person responds, then all hell breaks loose. You all know what I'm talking about. OK to present another point of view or to call someone on a negative post. Not OK to start mobbing. If we all agree to that, then please continue and forgive my interruption. My post wasn't meant to be defensive or argumentative or critical, just a reminder.

I know that you are hyper-aware of mobbing type situations because of your personal experiences here on this board and at work but I don't think that is the case here......I don't see where anyone was bashed or flamed....We have all been respectful and no one has resorted to name calling or personal attacks. I believe (as someone suggested) that this thread belongs in the student nursing forum-a student really has NO idea what being a nurse is truly all about...Not until you are out there with a heavy patient load of your own....

[Teshiee]

Mario, just play the game. Students sometimes get screwed over when you are totally innocent. I was on a clinical rotation and I asked the UNIT SECty a simple question she snapped at me like I owed her money. I snapped back but guess who got in trouble? Moi! It seems like you have no rights but just remember it is not forever.

[baseline]

Unit secretaries very often get snapped at as a matter of course. Sorry guys. Life should always be fair....but its not....not for me, not for you....not for most people. I have a good life....and a good job and I've had a great career....but on any given day I can be snapped at...by a co-worker, a physician by my hunny. Most of the time I shrug it off...sometimes I bite back. Like I said before...we are all imperfect human beings. All trying to cope.

[mario_ragucci]

Youda - thank you for your help in recognizing and calling off the ambush i was headed for. Via this thread, i have gained keen insight into the way students learn at clinical sights and the way some nurses differ in their approach to learning. Everyone has generated excellent learning, and no right or wrong is called. It's just a variety that goes along with people :-) Granted, a students life is not valued as much as an RN's life because students haven't put their time in. I realy enjoyed reading everyones posts and respect everyone, what a great thing alnurses.com is to people and to nurses. Amen.

[canoehead, BSN, RN]

Hey, if you are asking a particular nurse questions about a patient fairly often it is a good gesture to offer to help with bedmaking, or feeding a pt, or sitting with someone who is upset. Even a CNA in training can get in and help regular staff and their willingness is noticed and appreciated.

As an RN I notice too, the students that spend an hour gazing blankly at the chart when there are regular staff trying to find a spot to sit and chart. Or if a resident needs some simple assistance and they walk on by. I would be less willing to help those that don't chip in when needed, or those that don't bother to look up information that they should have known before walking on the floor. Or sometimes a student having done all their research tries to show off- trust me it doesn't impress anyone.

Some people are nasty, but if you jump in and offer to help they soften up. Or at least you get to know who is receptive.

[Youda]

[micro, RN]

........................ and then..........................

what the world needs now is...........

students keep on.....

nurses keep on........

frustation 101

maybe a moment at a time can be undone.........

or not.........

micro s wisdom

[Lisa Punch]

I just want to say that I think nurses are nurses and that we need to 'coddle' and 'respect' and appreciate, and communicate well with everyone that our careers come in contact with. We are only at work 36-40 hours a week, and it IS our responsibility to be mature, kind and helpful. We are the hands that do great work, and part of that work is educating student nurses. We are also part of a global society, that means we need to respect all persons, even those who have personality traits that we don't personally approve of. Lay off Mario, he is finding his way in a field that we all know is full of personalities and hangups that are sometime very irritating and vicious. We have ALL been there, thank god now that you are not doing what Mario is now.

[ktwlpn, LPN]

Oh COME ON! I was NOT going to post to this thread again because I do not want to be argumentative but I can't keep my trap shut any longer...What in the heck is wrong with CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM? We have ALL been students and we have ALL been the newbie-whats wrong with sharing our experiences and the lessons we have learned? No one is picking on anyone...and if one does not want to hear advice one shouldn't ask for it....This is a public forum-free for all to post their opinions as long as they stay within the rules-and we have done so in this thread....I think some folks need to get a grip-look at some of the threads on this board and see how some other posters have been flamed and bashed and then look at this thread....Constructive criticism is being made out to be bashing and it is not.Why BASH those of us on this thread with an opinion different from yours? Im my experience I have worked around some great students and I hope that I maybe inspired one or 2 to go on and treat others the way I treated them (and continue to treat new employees,floats,pulls and agency nurses)...I have also been exposed to some that were less then responsible-Loud-all over the nurses station-notebooks thrown every where-gathered in groups-presuming to get involved in situations that were WAY over their heads and causing HARM...A member of my family had a HORRIBLE experience at the hands of a student.If I can spare another pt and their loved ones from the same kind of thing I will....I believe that students really need to be careful with how they communicate-being in-experienced it is easy for erroneous info to be given....Don't spout off with negatives in the clinical setting when you may be taking a situation out of it's true context.One of my classmates started a brou ha ha at one of our clinical settings that resulted in the school being barred from ever returning and it never should have happened-it turned out that she mis-interpreted an interaction between staff and an MR patient....She did not HAVE A CLUE....It is my humble opinion that some others need to buy a clue-and I'm entitled to my opinion.I am not a member of anyone's fan club here-and I read all posts and answer the ones that move me-and I do not craft my response for any particular board member..My opinion is my opinion no matter who is on the thread......You are welcome to put me on your "ignore" list..Go back and OBJECTIVELY read the entire thread...I would like to see some quotes in which anyone was rude or insulting-or bashed anyone...

[Flo1216]

Mattsmom-

I guess you don't remember being a student or a new nurse. No one ever said that the student nurse is the ultimate responsibility of the staff nurse. We understand that you are busy and try to respect that and we only defer to the staff nurse if we absolutely have to. However, that does not give anyone the right to roll their eyes at the idea of my mere existence or treat me like garbage. I am glad that all nurses don't have an attitude like yours. You seem to feel " burdened" by student nurses, graduate nurses or anyone who poses the slightest bit of inconvienence to your day. My instructor cannot be with me every second and I since I of course am still learning and can not know everything, if I have to " bother" the staff nurse in order to properly care for my patient I will. Nurses constantly say, " What you learn in nursing school is not reality, but then if you ask a question the nurse says, " Didn't they teach you that in nursing school?" Damned if I do and damned if I don't, I guess.

[mario_ragucci]

Nah - no one bashed anyone. I made an impact statement, comparing staff that totaly ignore students to wicked witches and also came off like all nurses have to at least interact verbally, if, for example, a student is ignored asking about an insulin shot. People were fixing to mob me, I think, just because the context got muddled down. I talked about contempt and gossip and how it is sick and wrong to participate in.

BTW - I finished clinicals at the sniff, and next quarter I have clinical at a hospital acute care. The hospital happens to be one of four operated by the same company I work for. I have worked CNA in acute care for >6 months, plus I will know e-chart.sys like I know how to make a creamy upside-down coconut and pinapple and orange cake.

But it seems there will be emotional violence at some places, I feel, just because there are a few people who choose to dislike each other. Learning is generated.

I had a soft-cell wall when this happen to me (contempt), and I always will.

If I am ever around ANY wicked witches again, I will pour a bucket of water over their head and watch them melt down to a black mass of nothing. Ding-dong - The witch is DEAD!!! The wicked witch is dead!!!!!