Horror story......

CATHYW · Nov 15, 2002

Disgusting!

hoolahan, ASN, RN · Nov 15, 2002

I hear you flower, but in this day and age it still amazes me how any parent could leave a beautiful toddler in a running car in front of the mini-mart! I mean, do they not ever watch the news or read a newspaper? There have been many a time when I have waited before I pulled out to be sure no one came near the car until the idiot parent came back to it. Maybe you and I don't need the message, but some morons certainly do.

Susy, sorry, didn't see what you explained about newsgroups. If for no other reason, this sounds very risky, virus-wise. I still think if he had that many files still on his computer, it says a lot. I mean when your hubby gets the gay Media and kiddie Media, he deletes it, right? He doesn't file it and keep it on his computer, does he? Big difference!

Q. · Nov 15, 2002

Linda, it's not spam I was referring to. Spam is an entirely different thing.

And in the scenario I just described to you, several users could have uploaded files from us, just as with this guy. All of our files on our computers are available to be uploaded by others. ALL of them. Just as with this guy. You'd be surprised how often this happens. Just the other night, one of our friends was saying how last night was a crappy night because he downloaded some kiddie Media and he thought he got something else.

As far as paying for adult sites - no way. My husband refuses to pay for pron when it's out there free. In addition, the "best" files of anything are in newsgroups - not websites. Really. We've gotten movies before they are released in the theatres off of newsgroups. We saw Monsters, Inc in the comfort of our home the night it was released to theatres. Trust me. Websites and what-not have JUNK on them compared to newsgroups.

My bigger concerns here are:

1. This organization that monitored this guy's traffic. If that happened to us, and we were put in prison, etc, they would have a SEVERE lawsuit on their hands. To me, this is the bigger issue here, especially if this guy is innocent.

Also Moe? Don't worry about us sending it for "repairs" and getting caught. We don't send our computers for repairs. Everything is home built and we do our own repairs.

Q. · Nov 15, 2002

Sorry Linda, didn't see your last response until I typed mine long winded one!

Anyway, all I'm saying is having files on your computer doesn't automatically mean guilt. That is the only point I am trying to make.

-jt · Nov 15, 2002

The LPN didnt have just an accidental download of a few kid Media photos. He had 1500. Peddling child Media is against the law because somebody had to abuse the child in order for somebody else to get off on a photo. Pedophiles take jobs where they can be around vulnerable children & trusted by them. They are school teachers, priests, sports coaches - why not pediatric nurses? Even if his computer was also downloading from newsgroups while was out in his garage oblivious to it, its going to be hard to prove he wasnt getting his rocks off peddling sex pictures of little kids with 1500 of them on his computer.

That posters husband could be caught in a federal mess too if he downloads these things & then sends them out to others - even if he isnt interested in them. BTW, if he was tricked into downloading a misnamed photo that he thought was a sexy blonde but turned out to be 2 guys, why send it back out for someone else to be tricked by it?

And with all the viruses and stuff out there, how can anyone allow their computer to constantly be downloading things without first knowing what it is?

CMERN · Nov 15, 2002

OHHHH GROSSSSSSSSS>>>>KIDDIE Media COOKIES?....stay away from my kids... better yet keep my kids away from the gawd-almighty computer. WHAT A WARPED Azz WORLD

OH and I detest ; CSI MIAMI, enjoy the original CSI- but the miami one has crappy actors and the environment of a crack-smokers dream...PEWWW!!

Q. · Nov 15, 2002

That posters husband could be caught in a federal mess too if he downloads these things & then sends them out to others - even if he isnt interested in them. BTW, if he was tricked into downloading a misnamed photo that he thought was a sexy blonde but turned out to be 2 guys, why send it back out for someone else to be tricked by it?

I think you guys just are not understanding what I am saying, which is probably my fault.

Our computers are fairly high-end, we have virus scans, we only download off of reliable newsgroups. BUT..every now and then, some crap comes through. In all the years we've been doing this, we've been infected with a virus ONCE.

Do you know how many files we download on a daily basis? Hundreds. Do you know that before we can scan what it is we downloaded to determine what it is and DELETE it, it can be uploaded by someone else? I think you aren't understanding the process, the nature of newsgroups and file servers. Which is fine, but then just trust me when I say that before we go sending this guy out to the frying pan, we realize and understand that he could very well be innocent. That's all.

So please...I only divulged what we do in an effort to make you understand that before we go convicting this guy, we realize that just having files on your computer doesn't indicate guilt. We don't even know if he was the only one with access to the thing. I don't want to turn this into a discussion about my husband. All I am saying is I understand how files end up on computers before you have a chance to get rid of them.

-jt · Nov 15, 2002

ok point taken. I just think its looks bad for him cause he had so many of those photos. It will be a little hard for people to believe it was an innocent thing like what you described could happen when hes moving around 1500 child Media pictures.

He hasnt be accused of molesting a child in his care but he'll probably lose his license anyway if hes concivted of peddling child Mediaography & it does look bad for him. If it was just a few photos maybe it could have happened the way you suggest but 1500?

hoolahan, ASN, RN · Nov 15, 2002

Ok, I think it is bad b/c he is a mean-looking dude, and if I was a widdle baby and he put his ugly mug in my face I'd cry...like a baby! :rotfl:

Youda · Nov 16, 2002

Yes, Suzy, I do understand your point that "circumstancial" evidence does not necessarily equal guilt.

However, in this case, I am having problems believing it for two reasons:

1. He had 1500 pictures. The ISP has already verified that a large number were downloaded AND uploaded. You don't get and send 1500 Media pictures without knowing about it, by spam or by viruses. We've all gotten these things, but they are deleted, not 1500 of them kept on the computer! You only get that many child Media pictures by looking for and trading them. You're talking about a GIG of disk space here.

2. If this guy is innocent, then you are also believing that the Exploited Children and the police are of such incompetence that they would attempt to prosecute a case without being sure of their facts or how the guy actually got the Media on his computer.

I'm all for "innocent until proven guilty." It is what our country was founded upon. However, if you feel that this is a miscarriage of justice, or that everyone is convicting him before trial, perhaps it would be helpful for you to present some of the "defense" arguments and assertions that his attorney is using. It would be interesting to hear "The rest of the story." Good day!

Audreyfay · Nov 16, 2002

Only one comment: People aren't always what they appear to be on the surface. Yes, I agree, his appearance is questionable. However, so many people get taken by crooks because they "look nice." Therefore, this poor guy didn't ask to look that way. It'll be interesting to hear what happens. Keep us posted! Thanks for the updates. Interesting comments. I'm not familiar with newsgroups. I think I'll keep my computer turned off, thank you.

Q. · Nov 16, 2002

originally posted by Youda
if you feel that this is a miscarriage of justice, or that everyone is convicting him before trial, perhaps it would be helpful for you to present some of the "defense" arguments and assertions that his attorney is using. It would be interesting to hear "The rest of the story." Good day!