I need guidance, I saw one of my classmates cheating on our mid-term pharm test. We self grade so she changed about 12 answers to get a passing grade. NOT only did I see her but in the hall after grading she told me she had to change them just to barely pass. I got an 83% and passing is 78% so sure I wanted a better grade to but would never have changed my answers.
Ethicly I think I know what to do, I just don't want to be a tattle tail and she knows I know so there is my catch 22 .
All I can say is, put yourself in a patients point of view. If you were a patient, would you want someone that cheated on a test to just barely pass a class to be the one giving you your meds, or would you want someone that got thru by actually working and taking the grades they ACTUALLY made giving you your meds. We had a pair of students cheating last semester and we had no qualms about going to the director and saying, "Hey, we are working our butts off and these two are cheating. What's up with that?!?" They were counseled and everything is fine....
So, just remember the guidelines are put in place for a reason....
I would let her know I did not condone her behavior and if I saw her again I would be reporting her. Your silence may be misconstrued as saying its ok in her eyes since you already know she personally thinks its ok.
Okay, if you're worried about ratting, couldn't you just tell your instructor that you saw 'someone' cheating on the exam? do you HAVE to report a specific person?
This whole conversation is CrAzY to me! first of all the person cheating is NOT a good friend if they told you that. he/she is taking advantage of the other person. Secondly, this kinda crap totally angers me b/c I have FOUGHT hard to try to get into a nursing program and still haven't yet. But I have and will never ever cheat my way in to do it. There was a girl cheating during my TEAS (pre-nursing test). and someone saw her and told on her. I would have too, but I didn't see her. That is NOT being a tattle tail etc. I mean, we are all adults and should act like adults. I know WAY too many people that are getting into nursing school or graduating or are nurses that just really don't have any business being there. (crappy attitudes ect..) but the people who do want it bad enough get looked over b/c of some idiot who didn't prioritize and study like the rest of us, well they don't deserve to be in nursing school. That seat should be given to someone worthy of it. oh and also, if it were important b/c you know that you studied and you know that its not right. you could always go to the instructor and tell them what you know, and that you don't want them to say anything. Then they can handle it and speak to that person and tell them that they (instructor) saw it, but gave them (cheater) a chance to fess up. That is a good alternative b/c it keeps you out of it.
One thing to take to heart....we are learning how to care for people and their lives. We are not making toasters. I say...tell the instructor. She might cheat her way through nursing school and barely pass the NCLEX, but are we allowing this person to actually become a nurse. Sure her cheating ways might catch up with her, but when??
What goes around comes around...I remember a smart girl in high school who always let a cute boy cheat from her homework b/c he was lazy (but just as capable and intelligent). At the end of that senior year, he got Valedictorian and she got Salutatorian, and she desperately needed all the scholarships she could get while he was from a wealthy family.
I need guidance, I saw one of my classmates cheating on our mid-term pharm test. We self grade so she changed about 12 answers to get a passing grade. NOT only did I see her but in the hall after grading she told me she had to change them just to barely pass. I got an 83% and passing is 78% so sure I wanted a better grade to but would never have changed my answers.
Ethicly I think I know what to do, I just don't want to be a tattle tail and she knows I know so there is my catch 22 .
I guess what I'm asking is what would you do?
I'm new to this site, so I hope I doing this right. I'm in my second year of the RN program and this is strictly my opinion.... I would let the teacher know. I'm not a goody goody and we all need help now and then, but that is rediculous. We've all worked hard to get in, and we all have to work hard to stay in. Would you want a nurse working on you in the ER that didn't take her education seriously? Who cares if she knows you may have told, how many other people did she tell? You'll probably never see her again anyway.
Sorry to tell you, but you are really going to wish you had stayed out of this situation! It is going to bring more drama to your life than you can afford. Nursing school is stressful enough without adding extra baggage.
I have experienced a similar problem where I was asked to identify the individuals personally and I did. The individuals told everyone they thought would listen a bunch of lies that looked as if they too were included. I now have more than 10 enemies because of it and the professors no longer looked at me the same. They began to think I was just a common complainer.
Leave it alone or you will suffer through nursing school! What if she says you all did it together or she was going to tell on you but, you told because you knew she was going to tell on you! Then you are in just as much trouble as she will be. Some people will you know! If she cheats, she will lie and steal! You could even run the risk of the professor believing that you are just against her methods. Remember she has sense enough to get through nursing school and she does know some people cheat.
Secondly, her methods could be giving her time with her family and now you are interfering.
Thirdly, she is not going to look bad to the DEAN not for you or anybody else. You will look bad first.
Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
Sorry to tell you, but you are really going to wish you had stayed out of this situation! It is going to bring more drama to your life than you can afford. Nursing school is stressful enough without adding extra baggage.
I have experienced a similar problem where I was asked to identify the individuals personally and I did. The individuals told everyone they thought would listen a bunch of lies that looked as if they too were included. I now have more than 10 enemies because of it and the professors no longer looked at me the same. They began to think I was just a common complainer.
Leave it alone or you will suffer through nursing school! What if she says you all did it together or she was going to tell on you but, you told because you knew she was going to tell on you! Then you are in just as much trouble as she will be. Some people will you know! If she cheats, she will lie and steal! You could even run the risk of the professor believing that you are just against her methods. Remember she has sense enough to get through nursing school and she does know some people cheat.
Secondly, her methods could be giving her time with her family and now you are interfering.
Thirdly, she is not going to look bad to the DEAN not for you or anybody else. You will look bad first.
LEAVE IT ALONE!
Ok please tell me I am reading this wrong, are you suggesting cheating is ok because it may be giving someone more time with their family and to get the said cheater in trouble could be taking away their family time.
I seriously hope I am reading this wrong or I think I have seen it all.
No, I am not telling you cheating is ok; And you know that! You just want to tell so bad you refuse to listen to sound advice that will help you win! Do what you do! Tell! Then see how isolated you will be from the professor as well as the students. Again, I been there!
No, I am not telling you cheating is ok; And you know that! You just want to tell so bad you refuse to listen to sound advice that will help you win! Do what you do! Tell! Then see how isolated you will be from the professor as well as the students. Again, I been there!
I'm so sorry that you had a bad experience while doing the right thing. It's not always like that though and, at least in my school, it's really not a question of "if" you should tell. It's laid out to us very clearly in orientation....anyone who has knowledge of someone cheating, who does't report it, is as guilty of cheating as the person who actually did the cheating.
Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
No, I am not telling you cheating is ok; And you know that! You just want to tell so bad you refuse to listen to sound advice that will help you win! Do what you do! Tell! Then see how isolated you will be from the professor as well as the students. Again, I been there!
Please don't tell me what I know. What the heck is this part even about, it has nothing to do with what I said and I am not the one that saw someone cheating. I would have anonymously reported the cheater if it was me though and I wouldn't give 2 hoots if half my class decided to not like me anymore. I am not in school to be liked and I have a few close friends that wouldn't turn their backs on me for something like that because they would do the right thing as well. But this isn't about me.
I asked about your comment regarding if the poster tells she might be interfering with the cheaters family time and that maybe the cheater cheats to have time with their family. As if that would make it ok or justifiable.
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All I can say is, put yourself in a patients point of view. If you were a patient, would you want someone that cheated on a test to just barely pass a class to be the one giving you your meds, or would you want someone that got thru by actually working and taking the grades they ACTUALLY made giving you your meds. We had a pair of students cheating last semester and we had no qualms about going to the director and saying, "Hey, we are working our butts off and these two are cheating. What's up with that?!?" They were counseled and everything is fine....
So, just remember the guidelines are put in place for a reason....
Wednesday