Health Care is a right

GCTMT · Oct 21, 2009

That is just a reflection of shared values not historical judgement...

Exactly HM, personal thoughts and feelings will vary, but there seems to be a consensus regarding FDR's presidency.

Onekidneynurse · Oct 21, 2009

^ The people of the day would most likely disagree with you, considering he was the only US president to serve more than two terms.

And after him we changed the law. No American President can serve for more than two terms now.

Onekidneynurse · Oct 21, 2009

If, like many countries with universal health care, you also have the option of private health care then no, it doesn't constitute a monopololy.
How about working in health care? The quote says industries, shops and farms, in addition to mines.

Healthcare is considered an industry?

K98 · Oct 22, 2009

Exactly HM, personal thoughts and feelings will vary, but there seems to be a consensus regarding FDR's presidency.

Historical judgement of a bunch of left-leaning academics. Hardly representative of FDR's actual record. BTW, he was not "wildly" popular.

talaxandra · Oct 22, 2009

healthcare is considered an industry?

well, yes. the phrase "health care industry" generates 3.75 million google hits, including this wikipedia entry.

the definition for "industry" on answers.com includes the following:

coming from the latin word industria, meaning "diligent activity directed to some purpose," and its descendant, old french industrie, with the senses "activity," "ability," and "a trade or occupation," our word (first recorded in 1475) originally meant "skill," "a device," and "diligence" as well as "a trade." over the course of the industrial revolution, as more and more human effort became involved in producing goods and services for sale, the last sense of industry as well as the slightly newer sense "systematic work or habitual employment" grew in importance, to a large extent taking over the word. we can even speak now of the shakespeare industry, rather like the garment industry...
this term is now often used to cover any form of economic activity, such as ‘the music industry’, and hence covers a very broad sweep. more specifically, industry is divided into: primary industry—the acquisition of naturally occurring resources like coal and fish; secondary industry—the manufacture of goods; tertiary industry which serves the public as well as primary and secondary industry...
tertiary or [color=#003399]service industry includes banking, finance, insurance, investment, and real estate services; wholesale, retail, and resale trade; transportation, information, and communications services; professional, consulting, legal, and personal services; tourism, hotels, restaurants, and entertainment; repair and maintenance services; education and teaching; and health, social welfare, administrative, police, security, and defense services. (emphasis added)

talaxandra · Oct 22, 2009

historical judgement of a bunch of left-leaning academics. hardly representative of fdr's actual record. btw, he was not "wildly" popular.

from the wikipedia page this post is responding to:

a 2000 survey by the wall street journal consisted of an "ideologically balanced group of 132 prominent professors of history, law, and political science". this poll sought to include an equal number of liberals and conservatives in the survey, as the editors argued that previous polls were dominated by either one group or the other, but never balanced. according to the editors, this poll included responses from more women, minorities, and young professors than the 1996 schlesinger poll. the editors noted that the results of their poll were "remarkably similar" to the 1996 schlesinger poll, with the main difference in the 2000 poll being the lower rankings for the 1960s presidents lyndon b. johnson, and john f. kennedy, and higher ranking of president ronald regan at #8. franklin roosevelt still ranked in the top three.

hmm - not just left-leaning academics then.

HM2VikingRN, RN · Oct 22, 2009

Historical judgement of a bunch of left-leaning academics. Hardly representative of FDR's actual record. BTW, he was not "wildly" popular.

He was ranked 3rd by conservative historians and second by liberal historians. That does qualify as a broad concensus of effectiveness as a president.

Even though FDR was a child of an extremely privileged family the perception of him by the people was that he worried about their condition and was trying to move the country forward. (His cousin Teddy proposed national health care as a right in the 1912 Bull Moose platform. )

Health care has been an issue in essentially every presidential contest since 1912...

Onekidneynurse · Oct 23, 2009

no one is dying in the streets except by choice and yes it does come down to priorities. Perhaps wait to buy the brand new car after graduation or get a roommate or don't rack up the credit card charges. This notion that all these young people are just out there dying is devoid of reality. Especially the notion that everything is just hunky dory because you have health insurance.
Or get at least one job maybe two. My ex husband and I worked two jobs often when crisis' came up as theyeventually do.

Onekidneynurse · Oct 23, 2009

He was ranked 3rd by conservative historians and second by liberal historians. That does qualify as a broad concensus of effectiveness as a president.
Even though FDR was a child of an extremely privileged family the perception of him by the people was that he worried about their condition and was trying to move the country forward. (His cousin Teddy proposed national health care as a right in the 1912 Bull Moose platform. )
Health care has been an issue in essentially every presidential contest since 1912...

And still hasn't come to fruition.

HM2VikingRN, RN · Oct 23, 2009

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K98 · Oct 24, 2009

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That got everyone all sniffly...real Oprah stuff.

HM2VikingRN, RN · Oct 24, 2009

The video makes the ethical and moral case for treating health care as a right within a civilized society.