Before we get into it, I'm going into first year nursing... but I'm not some young kid. I'm 34, married with a family, studied philosophy in my early 20's, and lived well below the poverty line for my entire life. I'm saying this to avoid any fallacious arguments stemming from status or authority.
Now that's out of the way...
Why is health care not a right?
It's not a right because it requires others to fund your health care costs. You do not have a right to the money of other people.
What about those in need of health care?
We all love helping people, and that's important. Which is why there are countless organizations, churches, synagogues, companies, online charitable organizations, and other opportunities for your access.
If health care is a right, it's immoral.
A socialist view of health care requires the theft of citizens money through taxation to fund your health care needs. Just because I need health care does not mean I can take money of others, even when done through governmental force.
What's the difference between access to things like fire services, and health care services? They're all services aren't they?
The difference is that citizens who pay for services should receive services. Taxation pays for fire services, people are therefore owed that service.Consider, outside of municipalities where services aren't paid for, firefighting is volunteer, or paid for out of pocket. At least that's how it works in Canada...
When is health care a right then?
When you pay for it, however, it's a contractual right. Not a human right. I'm owed the service because I paid for it, that's it.
Who's responsible to take care of me then?
You are. Crazy idea right?
Are there exceptions?
Obviously, those with zero capacity to care for themselves.
I suspect heading into a Canadian nursing program with my views will be an interesting experience.
The UN in the 1960's put out a agreed upon consensus of what constitutes human rights. Healthcare is on that list, along with clean drinking water, education, and free speech.
I would greatly discourage you, Tetra, the author of this piece, to refrain from becoming a nurse. Your words speak your truth and that is that you have no compassion for humanity. This is an essential quality in being a nurse.
The irony of this piece is that is is written by a someone who has benefited from universal healthcare their whole life. And, you studied philosophy, another right afforded to you from "immoral" money taken from others.
Taxes we pay are our price for living and benefitting from a civilized society. Everyone benefits from a safe,healthy society.
Tetra, as the author of this asinine snippet, you are gravely uninformed and you should have studied general knowledge instead of philosophy. Immorality is defined as failing to adhere to morals, which are guidelines of prudence society chooses to upheld. No where in this description entails taxation as robbing people of their money immoral.
And, yes, there are volunteer firefighters in the Canada and US, however, the fire service is a majorly paid vocation provided by tax payer funds. Need I point out that you benefit greatly from fire and police protection as well?
In conclusion, heed my advice. You are not cut from the same cloth of the great, compassionate patient advocates nurses are and have to be because the stakes are so high. To be a nurse is to be of service to humanity, and you surely lack that genetic predisposition. Nursing is a calling, and you have answered the wrong door. Do all of us a favor, close that door with a deadbolt lock, and never return.
Is your stance focused on patient/consumer point of view?
Seeing how you're starting your nursing program, I would love to reopen this discussion after you graduate, pass your boards, and gain a few years of experience. Let us know what your beliefs are (same or different) after seeing the healthcare workers point of view! There are a lot of sticky situations nurses can and cannot do because of politics.
The UN in the 1960's put out a agreed upon consensus of what constitutes human rights. Healthcare is on that list, along with clean drinking water, education, and free speech.
I would greatly discourage you, Tetra, the author of this piece, to refrain from becoming a nurse. Your words speak your truth and that is that you have no compassion for humanity. This is an essential quality in being a nurse.
The irony of this piece is that is is written by a someone who has benefited from universal healthcare their whole life. And, you studied philosophy, another right afforded to you from "immoral" money taken from others.
Taxes we pay are our price for living and benefitting from a civilized society. Everyone benefits from a safe,healthy society.
Tetra, as the author of this asinine snippet, you are gravely uninformed and you should have studied general knowledge instead of philosophy. Immorality is defined as failing to adhere to morals, which are guidelines of prudence society chooses to upheld. No where in this description entails taxation as robbing people of their money immoral.
And, yes, there are volunteer firefighters in the Canada and US, however, the fire service is a majorly paid vocation provided by tax payer funds. Need I point out that you benefit greatly from fire and police protection as well?
In conclusion, heed my advice. You are not cut from the same cloth of the great, compassionate patient advocates nurses are and have to be because the stakes are so high. To be a nurse is to be of service to humanity, and you surely lack that genetic predisposition. Nursing is a calling, and you have answered the wrong door. Do all of us a favor, close that door with a deadbolt lock, and never return.
Sincerely,
Mankind
I was going to refrain from posting, but decided I would...
Specializes in All areas of Critical Care, ED, PACU, Pre-Op, BH,.
I don't play the (insert super sad story here) game. Nothing makes it right to take other people's money to pay for others medical care. It's immoral. It's not my right to take your money to pay for my broken leg.
So you would let someone just suffer or die? That is not who we are as a society. You realize for all of our social benefit programs it only costs us US Taxpayers approximately $36.00 a year on our taxes. I will gladly pay that for my fellow man. I am an RN and have compassion, empathy and understand that not everyone can "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps." FOR WHATEVER REASON. That I do not feel you would ever comprehend. $36.00 a year? Seriously? Yet here we Americans are handling over so much in Corporate Welfare to big businesses by huge tax breaks!
Specializes in All areas of Critical Care, ED, PACU, Pre-Op, BH,.
Dear Tetra,
The UN in the 1960's put out a agreed upon consensus of what constitutes human rights. Healthcare is on that list, along with clean drinking water, education, and free speech.
I would greatly discourage you, Tetra, the author of this piece, to refrain from becoming a nurse. Your words speak your truth and that is that you have no compassion for humanity. This is an essential quality in being a nurse.
The irony of this piece is that is is written by a someone who has benefited from universal healthcare their whole life. And, you studied philosophy, another right afforded to you from "immoral" money taken from others.
Taxes we pay are our price for living and benefitting from a civilized society. Everyone benefits from a safe,healthy society.
Tetra, as the author of this asinine snippet, you are gravely uninformed and you should have studied general knowledge instead of philosophy. Immorality is defined as failing to adhere to morals, which are guidelines of prudence society chooses to upheld. No where in this description entails taxation as robbing people of their money immoral.
And, yes, there are volunteer firefighters in the Canada and US, however, the fire service is a majorly paid vocation provided by tax payer funds. Need I point out that you benefit greatly from fire and police protection as well?
In conclusion, heed my advice. You are not cut from the same cloth of the great, compassionate patient advocates nurses are and have to be because the stakes are so high. To be a nurse is to be of service to humanity, and you surely lack that genetic predisposition. Nursing is a calling, and you have answered the wrong door. Do all of us a favor, close that door with a deadbolt lock, and never return.
Is your stance focused on patient/consumer point of view?
Seeing how you're starting your nursing program, I would love to reopen this discussion after you graduate, pass your boards, and gain a few years of experience. Let us know what your beliefs are (same or different) after seeing the healthcare workers point of view! There are a lot of sticky situations nurses can and cannot do because of politics.
I've answered this already:
Maybe as I go through nursing, some of my views will change! I'm open. If they don't, I'm sure my experience will help yield a good discussion. :)
Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.
Article 25 of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights states:
1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
Specializes in All areas of Critical Care, ED, PACU, Pre-Op, BH,.
I could never turn anyone away. You'd have to have a heart of stone to do that. I don't have the answers, and never said I did... but I still think a socialist health care system isn't right too.
Then you state you don't attack Socialism. Yet I must be missing why you don't like it? Libertarians have never proved to be accomplished at well, anything! Or am I missing your political preference?
So you would let someone just suffer or die? That is not who we are as a society. You realize for all of our social benefit programs it only costs us US Taxpayers approximately $36.00 a year on our taxes. I will gladly pay that for my fellow man. I am an RN and have compassion, empathy and understand that not everyone can "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps." FOR WHATEVER REASON. That I do not feel you would ever comprehend. $36.00 a year? Seriously? Yet here we Americans are handling over so much in Corporate Welfare to big businesses by huge tax breaks!
Alternatively we could provide service and bill them...
I'm confused though, are you saying asking someone to pay their own bill for services is not compassionate and empathetic???
What is the point of this discussion? Nurses are paid a salary or hourly rate. They must care for the patients assigned to them. Period. I don't give a damn about political views of my patients when I am caring for them, nor do I worry about how or whether they are going pay.
:D
Mvalent9
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Dear Tetra,
The UN in the 1960's put out a agreed upon consensus of what constitutes human rights. Healthcare is on that list, along with clean drinking water, education, and free speech.
I would greatly discourage you, Tetra, the author of this piece, to refrain from becoming a nurse. Your words speak your truth and that is that you have no compassion for humanity. This is an essential quality in being a nurse.
The irony of this piece is that is is written by a someone who has benefited from universal healthcare their whole life. And, you studied philosophy, another right afforded to you from "immoral" money taken from others.
Taxes we pay are our price for living and benefitting from a civilized society. Everyone benefits from a safe,healthy society.
Tetra, as the author of this asinine snippet, you are gravely uninformed and you should have studied general knowledge instead of philosophy. Immorality is defined as failing to adhere to morals, which are guidelines of prudence society chooses to upheld. No where in this description entails taxation as robbing people of their money immoral.
And, yes, there are volunteer firefighters in the Canada and US, however, the fire service is a majorly paid vocation provided by tax payer funds. Need I point out that you benefit greatly from fire and police protection as well?
In conclusion, heed my advice. You are not cut from the same cloth of the great, compassionate patient advocates nurses are and have to be because the stakes are so high. To be a nurse is to be of service to humanity, and you surely lack that genetic predisposition. Nursing is a calling, and you have answered the wrong door. Do all of us a favor, close that door with a deadbolt lock, and never return.
Sincerely,
Mankind