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Should religious family-owned companies be required to cover contraceptives under their insurance plans? The high court says no.
I'm curious how you nurses feel about this? Please take a second to vote in our quick poll.
This is a highly political topic, I'd rather not turn this into a hot argumentative subject, so please keep your comments civil :) But please feel free to comment. Thanks
Here is an article on the topic:
Hobby Lobby Ruling Cuts Into Contraceptive Mandate
In a 5-4 decision Monday, the Supreme Court allowed a key exemption to the health law's contraception coverage requirements when it ruled that closely held for-profit businesses could assert a religious objection to the Obama administration's regulations. What does it mean? Here are some questions and answers about the case.What did the court's ruling do?The court's majority said that the for-profit companies that filed suit-Hobby Lobby Stores, a nationwide chain of 500 arts and crafts stores, and Conestoga Wood Specialties, a maker of custom cabinets-didn't have to offer female employeesall Food and Drug Administration-approved contraceptivesas part of a package of preventive services that must be covered without copays or deductibles under the law. The companies had argued that several types of contraceptivesviolate their owners' religious beliefs. The ruling also covers a Hobby Lobby subsidiary, the Mardel Christian bookstores.
I'm a little surprised that a group of nurses is dismissing what the IOM, WHO, HHS, etc believes the benefits of effective family planning to be.
I also don't get the argument that these employees are expecting to get something for "free", the vast majority of employees pay into their employer-sponsored health plan, often to the tune of a few hundred a month, which is hardly "free".
Misnomers, huh? In the immortal words of Fezzig as played by Andre The Giant, "I don' think tha' word means wha' you think it means." Look it up.
Last I checked, there weren't sizable numbers of women dying because their employer didn't subsidize their birth control.
Perhaps you could provide information that points to employer subsidy and pregnancy. I'm sure that'd be interesting.
Unless you're a control freak JW that wants to impose their beliefs on others. Not all Christians have or try to force their pseudo-science beliefs about contraception on their employees, but it not being a requirement of the religion didn't stop Hobby Lobby.
Nice. I thought we were asked to keep the discussion civil.
Where is the evidence? The copper IUD when in place kills sperm. It is one of the only non-hormone forms of BC on the market. Just because there is a small (because it is very unlikely) chance that a sperm still makes it to an egg, an employer can call it an abortifacient and not cover it?The mechanical action of the object within the uterus prevents implantation.
Who is stopping her? We can be big girls and pay for our own bc. Paternalistic is saying that women are too tread upon and victimized to pay their own way! As a woman, nurse and one who pays for her own bc on way less than what you may think, I resent the argument that it is my right to make others take care of me! Where did all the feminists go? We have become a bunch of needy women wanting handouts and victim status.
It is NOT about contraception. It's about who's gonna pay for it.It's about MONEY!
Of course it's about money. The hypocrisy of the HL owners is rather breathtaking -- their delicate sensibilities are so offended by the idea of their female employees having access through their employer-provided insurance to the full range of legal, FDA-approved rx contraception methods, but they obviously have no qualms about stocking their stores primarily with items made in China, a country notorious throughout the world for its one-child and brutal forced-abortion policies. They clearly don't mind making a profit off the labor of women who may be forced to have an abortion whether they want one or not. If they refused to buy products from China, I could at least respect that they are consistent in their views ...
It's all fine as long as the religious viewpoint conforms to the majority (i.e. Christianity in the USA) but this SCOTUS decision sets a terrible precedent. What if my company subscribes to principles of an alternate religion? No blood transfusions covered because the owners are Jehovah's Witness? Sacrificing employee fetuses because the owners are Satanists? Where does it end? This is a very bad deal, not the least because corporations are NOT people and are NOT entitled to free speech. Corporations cannot be put in jail and cannot face the death penalty and are therefore not entitled to freedom protections under the Constitution.
Of course it's about money. The hypocrisy of the HL owners is rather breathtaking -- their delicate sensibilities are so offended by the idea of their female employees having access through their employer-provided insurance to the full range of legal, FDA-approved rx contraception methods, but they obviously have no qualms about stocking their stores primarily with items made in China, a country notorious throughout the world for its one-child and brutal forced-abortion policies. They clearly don't mind making a profit off the labor of women who may be forced to have an abortion whether they want one or not. If they refused to buy products from China, I could at least respect that they are consistent in their views ...
I am sure that Hobby Lobby will be delighted to sell employees the knitting needles necessary to complete back-alley abortions.
Of course it's about money. The hypocrisy of the HL owners is rather breathtaking -- their delicate sensibilities are so offended by the idea of their female employees having access through their employer-provided insurance to the full range of legal, FDA-approved rx contraception methods, but they obviously have no qualms about stocking their stores primarily with items made in China ...
So- Hobby Lobby should just go all the way and totally violate their conscience because they have stuff from China?
Seriously?!
OCNRN63, RN
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What would stop it is we (JW) don't share the same beliefs as these business owners. As I stated previously, the prohibition on blood is for JW. What others do is not our business.