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i am no dean fan...he changes his mind and position more often than i change my clothes...i still have no idea who i will vote for, but as an independent, i certainly peruse the views of all.....here is a letter written by dean concerning bosnia...just insert iraq and the same letter applies, then of course....interesting that he is so against things now...i profess no prejudice toward any other candidate but this certainly interested me...guess it has to do with it being a campaign year and his thoughts were to a democratic president..or, perhaps the atrocities committed in iracq were somehow less important than bosnia...in his mind , anyway...

howard dean letter to president clinton

below is the text of howard dean's letter to president clinton on the conflict in bosnia, dated july 19, 1995.

the honorable william j. clinton

president of the united states

the white house

washington, d.c. 20500

dear mr. president:

after long and careful thought, and after several years of watching the gross atrocities committed by the bosnian serbs, i have reluctantly concluded that the efforts of the united nations and nato in bosnia are a complete failure.

i think your policy up to this date has been absolutely correct. we must give, and have given, this policy with our allies and with the united nations every opportunity to work. it is evident, however, that the cost in human lives in allowing this policy to continue is too great. in addition, and perhaps more importantly for the united states, we are now in a position of ignoring, as many did in the 1940s, one of the worst crimes committed in history. if we ignore these behaviors, no matter where they occur, our moral fiber as a people becomes weakened. as the catholic church and others lost credibility during the holocaust for not speaking out, so will the united states lose credibility and our people lose confidence in themselves as moral beings if the united states does not take action.

since it is clearly no longer possible to take action in conjunction with nato and the united nations, i have reluctantly concluded that we must take unilateral action. while i completely agree with you that no ground troops should be committed for other than humanitarian purposes in bosnia, i would ask that you take the following steps in bosnia. first, lift the arms embargo as it applies to the bosnian government. second, enforce a full embargo of the sort that is now in effect in iraq on the bosnian serbs and upon yugoslavia. third, break off diplomatic relations with yugoslavia. fourth, commit american air power to support the bosnian government until the situation is stabilized and the civilian murders and atrocities by the bosnian serbs have been stopped.

i understand the risks of this policy and their implications for the nato alliance and the future success of the united nations. surely, however, as you watch and read about the huge amount of unwarranted human suffering, particularly of children, you would agree that our current course must now be changed.

i urge you to make these changes as soon as possible, and i look forward to supporting your policy fully to the best of my ability.

sincerely,

howard dean, m.d.

governor

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yeah, we need iraqi money and oil....i think not...

we have one of the largest oil fields on our own land.......we have more money than they could ever envision.....

i do agree that all in politics boils down to money - but i mean all - every politician - not just bush....do you critisize them ALL then??

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Originally posted by athomas91

I was taught to respect those in authority - i see no respect for the president of the US - and the American people voted him into office - he didn't vote himself there!!

Uh, no dear, we didn't vote him into office......the Supreme Court, with the help of the Electoral College and some very questionable goings-on in Florida, did that.:stone

As for respect........I'll give Bush my respect when he EARNS it by stopping his assault on civil rights, the middle and lower classes, women, working people, the elderly, and anyone who doesn't agree with what his administration is doing.:(

Originally posted by mjlrn97

Uh, no dear, we didn't vote him into office......the Supreme Court, with the help of the Electoral College and some very questionable goings-on in Florida, did that.:stone

As for respect........I'll give Bush my respect when he EARNS it by stopping his assault on civil rights, the middle and lower classes, women, working people, the elderly, and anyone who doesn't agree with what his administration is doing.:(

As a Florida Voter, creator of either a hanging chad or a pregnant chad, (not really, my county has computers not punch cards)

Not only did I get a president who lost the popular vote, I got a ditsy congress woman in 2002.

Today Jeb boy adressed Florida A & M University on Martin Luther King's birthday. A&M is a historacally Black university, and the student body attending the speech all got up and walked out half way through Jeb'c committment to civil rights.

I am sorry the previous poster is so angry. The office of the president is respected, the one who occupies isn't.

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

I agree, the office of the President is to be respected and honored. That's why I am outraged at Bush's abuse of the office and its power........for example, did anyone notice that he snuck Charles Pickering into that federal judgeship while Congress wasn't in session? The man whose confirmation was held up for TWO YEARS because of solid opposition to his ultra-right-wing views and racist history? Yup.......when Bush doesn't like a rule, he just goes right around it. Damned RIGHT that makes me angry, and I don't apologize for that........especially not today, on my birthday, when I should be celebrating instead of thinking about politics!

Originally posted by mjlrn97

I agree, the office of the President is to be respected and honored. That's why I am outraged at Bush's abuse of the office and its power........for example, did anyone notice that he snuck Charles Pickering into that federal judgeship while Congress wasn't in session? The man whose confirmation was held up for TWO YEARS because of solid opposition to his ultra-right-wing views and racist history? Yup.......when Bush doesn't like a rule, he just goes right around it. Damned RIGHT that makes me angry, and I don't apologize for that........especially not today, on my birthday, when I should be celebrating instead of thinking about politics!

Now wait a minute, you are putting down Uncle Charles? Be my guest, same last name, no relation.

I am not thrilled about it either.

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Originally posted by elkpark

Now that we know the Bushies and Chickenhawks were, at best, woefully misinformed or, or worst, lying through their teeth to us about the WMD rationale for invading Iraq, the new rationale is the horrible atrocities he was committing against his people. As soon as you say (or imply!) that you don't support the war, you get asked, but don't you care about the awful things he was doing to his people???

Well, yes I do, BUT we were told by our government that the reason we needed to invade this sovreign nation and overthrow its government was because it represented an immediate and concrete threat to US. Not because we felt bad about how rough the Iraqi people had it.

If being a bad man and doing awful things to your own people is a sufficient rationale for us invading, overthrowing the government, and occupying the country for the forseeable future, we're going to be very busy for the next few decades, because the list of countries with leaders who meet that description is pretty darned long!! Are we going to invade and overthrow ALL of them? If not, why not? How are we going to pick and choose? Whose suffering gets top priority? Who "deserves" to get rescued by us and who doesn't?

Call me a cynic, but I don't think it's any coincidence that the country the Bushies felt the need to "liberate" from its awful leader is sitting on top of some of the largest oil reserves on the planet ...

WOO HOO!!! Now ain't that the truth!!! :D :D

Originally posted by athomas91

i never remember anyone saying we started the war primarily for the iraqi people...i do remember them saying that the freedom of the iraqi people was on the list....

so, you are telling us that if we unilaterally invaded saudi to free them from corporal punishment then you would support that?!?!

I was taught to respect those in authority - i see no respect for the president of the US - and the American people voted him into office - he didn't vote himself there!!

ACTUALLY ATHOMAS, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR GORE .

hk

Originally posted by athomas91

i never remember anyone saying we started the war primarily for the iraqi people...i do remember them saying that the freedom of the iraqi people was on the list....

so, you are telling us that if we unilaterally invaded saudi to free them from corporal punishment then you would support that?!?!

i am sure that every american would like to assist those who are under the leadership of tyrants...but the american people are arguing whether attacking a country for not adhering to deadlines in regard to WMD, possibly funding terrorism that occurred 9/11, and as a benefit - bringing freedom to the people is right or wrong....and then you are saying we don't care about human rights because we aren't attacking every country who abuses its people.....just for the sake of argument - perhaps there are those of you who are right...and GWB was just waiting to invade iraq...perhaps he was so disgusted w/ how sh tortured his people that he just wanted to get him out of power....but no...that couldn't be the reason, could it?!?! why all of the sudden is GWB the devil...i truly believe that no matter what he does - it will be argued as wrong....

I was taught to respect those in authority - i see no respect for the president of the US - and the American people voted him into office - he didn't vote himself there!!

I LOVE YOUR ABILITY TO DEFEND YOUR POINT OF VIEW ATHOMAS, HOWEVER, I HAVE TO SAY YOUR VIEW HERE IS A TAD OFF. I DON'T THINK GWB INVADED IRAQ TO FREE PEOPLE FROM THE RULERSHIP OF A TYRANT. IT IS SAD TO SAY BUT THE US GOV'T HAS A SAD TRACK RECORD OF FUNDING THE WORST HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSERS IN RECENT HISTORY. WE FLOODED BILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO IRAQ IN THE LATE 70'S AND 80'S. SAD TO SAY, SOME OF OUR OWN SOLDIERS WERE KILLED IN GULF WAR 1 BY WEAPONS AND TECHNOLOGY THAT THE US GOVT GAVE TO IRAQ!!!

IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO ACCESS FOR OIL. THAT IS WHY WE BEFRIEND THE SAUDI'S (AWFUL HUMAN RIGHTS RECORDS). THAT IS WHY WE GIVE ISRAEL BILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR.

JUST LOOK AT THE RECENT EX HEADS OF COUNTRIES THAT HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT OF POWER AND AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER THEY WERE EITHER FUNDED BY THE US OR ON THE CIA PAYROLL IN SOME MATTER. THE SHAH OF IRAN, MAO SE TUNG (CHINA),PINOCHET (CHILE), NORIEGA (PANAMA), CEDRAS (HAITI)

IF IT WERE SOLEY A HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE ISSUE WE WOULD BE SENDING TROOPS INTO AFRICA, WERE MILLIONS DIE EVERY YEAR UNDER CORRUPT REGIMES.

HECK YOU CAN HARDLY FIND NEWS ABOUT ANY ATROCITIES TAKING PLACE IN AFRICA AND ASIA (EVEN IN THIS LIBERAL RUN NEWS MEDIA). WHY IS IT THAT THESE TWO FACTS ARE TRUE? BECAUSE AFRICA AND ASIA OFFER LITTLE RESOURCES THAT WE CAN EXPLOIT!!!!! (WELL NIGERIA HAS RICH DEPOSITS OF OIL).

THIS IS WHY WE SPEND ONLY A 1/4 OF THE PRICE OF GAS THAT THE REST OF THE WORLD MUST PAY (EXCEPT OF FEW SMALL OIL PRODUCING COUNTRIES).

HK

well said, harry krishna (although you do realize that all caps = yelling, right?)

Whatever pale imitations of WMD Hussein might have had were probably the weapons and know-how he got from _us_ when we were supporting him in the '80s because we were opposed to the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran. The US government even supplied nuclear technology to Iraq in the good ol' days, when Hussein was our good friend. (Gee, we're so fickle, aren't we!?)

HK, you know i love ya...but i disagree....

i am not an idiot - to believe that we weren't going to benefit monetarily at some time from this would be really dumb on my part...i get that...

as for oil...we are sitting on alaska...more oil than we could ever want...why take iraq's ?

do i believe that gore was voted in and bush somehow stole the election...no... let's be honest w/ ourselves....do you not think that either party is above cheating...please...i believe (and could be wrong..my brain isn't awake yet) that there were questions regarding dead people that voted for gore, wasn't there??

am i happy they got sh..yes...will i be happy when they get bin laden...yes....do i think that terrorism will then cease...no....but at least those two ba&*#ards got what was coming to em....and in the mean time a country was freed of a dictator and being given allowance to elect a governement of their own.

Originally posted by athomas91

HK, you know i love ya...but i disagree....

i am not an idiot - to believe that we weren't going to benefit monetarily at some time from this would be really dumb on my part...i get that...

as for oil...we are sitting on alaska...more oil than we could ever want...why take iraq's ?

do i believe that gore was voted in and bush somehow stole the election...no... let's be honest w/ ourselves....do you not think that either party is above cheating...please...i believe (and could be wrong..my brain isn't awake yet) that there were questions regarding dead people that voted for gore, wasn't there??

am i happy they got sh..yes...will i be happy when they get bin laden...yes....do i think that terrorism will then cease...no....but at least those two ba&*#ards got what was coming to em....and in the mean time a country was freed of a dictator and being given allowance to elect a governement of their own.

You will disagree with anyone who doesn't see things your way. No dead people voted, the entire state of florida voted and they did not allow a recount, that is a Republican secratary of State did not allow the recount. She went to congress. Funny, they do not need Kathrine Harris anymore, they told her after her term of one year in congress, she had best not try to run for senate in Bob Graham's seat, they would not back her nor are they backing her to run again in her seat.

This will be a very sore point, but get used to it, Gore won the popular vote and without a recount and a Republican certifing early, Bush is now president.

Fletcher Allen Hospital is located in Burlington, Vermont. It is the largest hospital in Vermont. The nurses (a year or two ago) were having a vote re: union entry. Conditions at the hospital for the nurses were lousy, like everywhere else.

Governor Dean BACKED THE NURSES 100%. He did this publicly, through the media.

Shame on the Dean bashers, simply because he is a doctor.

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