when to give and hold PRN morphine

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I'm a student nurse--

Recently there was a patient who was only a few hours post-op with a major surgery. The health issue was chronic in nature and I'm thinking the patient had built a tolerance for the pain meds. She had a PCA pump and was in a lot of pain in spite of pushing it every time she could. In fact she had pushed it over 100 times at shift change when it was being checked, and had emptied the entire syringe and was still in a lot of pain. I felt the pain was genuine, especially since the nature of the surgery was a very painful one, and she was not a drug seeker or anything. I noticed that the pt had an order for 2mg morphine IV push every hour PRN for breakthrough pain.

The nurse did not give the pt her PRN morphine. I asked the nurse what was her rationale (politely of course, in the spirit of learning) I was told that the pt had used the PCA so much that she was at risk for depressed respiration with any more morphine. The pt had rapid shallow respirations from the pain, normal HB, slightly elevated bp from her normal, and was mostly alert and oriented except for complaining of pain, had very tense muscles, was sweating, and was unable to ambulate or do cough deep breathe or anything else. I felt like if I were the nurse I would give the PRN morphine as ordered. I don't want to question this very experienced nurse, but I would like to know more about the guidelines of when to hold PRN pain meds and when to give.

I have been taught that resp rate lower than 12 to hold, but this pt was nowhere near that.

As a student myself, I have enjoyed following this post, learning from the different thoughts and opinions posted. I am still very much in the beginning quarters of my program, and among other topics we are learning the basics of pain and pain management in my current unit of study. Some of the pain management approaches our instructor discussed included nonpharmacological, such as massage, guided imagery, therapeutic touch, etc. I realize that these measures can't realistically hold a candle to morphine, especially with pain as severe as post-op, but could they still be applied in this case, if the RN was unwilling to administer the breakthrough dose? Do you think these might have helped, in this circumstance - if not in fully alleviating the pt's pain (which I know would have been unlikely), but if nothing else, in comforting the pt?

Specializes in floor to ICU.

Non-pharmacological remedies can always be tried! They may help the patient relax bit. But they are not a substitute for pain meds. If they do not work or are not helping, it is your DUTY as a PATIENT ADVOCATE to call the doctor and intervene.

I am with the other countless nurses who chimed in about pain mgt. Having had an extensive orthopedic issue for about a year and a half and then finally a major surgery, I can tell you that I, too, have a tolerence to pain meds. This is an EXPECTED outcome after longterm use.

That nurse needs to take an empathy/pain mgmt class. :mad:

Great question! You did not mention what the patient's response was to the "pain rating" questions. If the patient rated the pain 4/10 or greater, I would have given the prn morphine, plus, as others have said, I would have spoken with the MD about better pain management, perhaps switching the PCA medication to dilaudid.

Keep up the critical thinking!! You'll make a great nurse!!

In general, I use this rule of thumb:

1. Pt is breathing

2. States they are in pain

3. I use whatever pain meds I have on order, depending on how the pt rates their pain. If those do not work, then I call the doctor.

Another thing...if you call a doc for uncontrolled pain, if you haven't given any of the doses for breakthrough pain, you are wasting everyone's time and you will look like an idiot. Imagine the conversation "Pt X is rating her pain at 9/10 despite frequent usage of the PCA." "Did the prn morphine help at all?" "Uh, no, I didn't give it." "Oh really, then why are you calling me? You have meds you can give to control her pain, give them."

Also, many PCA orders are written with increases ordered prn. Something like "Dose is 1mg Morphine, lockout 6 minutes, no basal rate. May increase dose by 0.5 mg every hour for a max dose of 2 mg." So always double check your orders if your pt is getting good pain control; increasing the dose may already be addressed.

you nursing assessment skills were great my dear. the nurse was just being lazy. prepare yourself for this kind of nurses on the field. u will be tempted to light a match on their buttS sometimes. all they care about is the pay check and THATS IT.

I remeber waking up from surgery in RR in great deal of pain, and heard the nurses discussing whether the abx (IV) was compatible with morphine...instead of finding out, they just left me in pain , moaning, until the abx infused...aaarrrggghhh

Specializes in ICU, PICU, School Nursing, Case Mgt.

Just to add another thought to effective pain management....it's a well known fact that people heal much faster when they are not in pain!

So, when appropriate, medicate,medicate, medicate!

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Thank you again for your input! Just to respond to some of the questions--

I too was taught about alternative forms of pain control. This pt was in such pain she did not want to be touched and was having trouble coping with any stimuli. She wanted the light off and the room quiet. I noticed and iPod on the table and asked if she wanted me to turn it on for her to distract her from the pain and she said no, she already tried that. She was talking through clenched teeth and was clearly having trouble coping.

The PRN prescription was for 2mg morphine IV push. So let's say I was that nurse who was afraid of too much morphine-- I could just call the doctor and ask for them to change the prescription to 0.5- 2mg morphine so I could then give smaller doses, right? I did notice some other patients had that range prescribed.

Although I would rather not need to use narcan, that too was prescribed just in case, and at least it was there to fall back on . . .

Honestly, 2 mg Morphine is not much at all, I wouldn't call to get a lower range. I would have just given it. If it snows her, then next time call for a lower dose; but if the patient is in that much pain, a one time dose of 2 mg morphine isn't going to go very far.

I used to be a little more cautious with morphine, until I did a clinical at a burn unit. OMG they push so much in such high doses, in patients who are narcotic naive. I don't fret about a couple of mg of morphine anymore after that.

Do your PCA units have EtCO2 monitors? Some people (and patients) don't like these, but I personally love them. When I'm explaining their use to the patient, and I see they are unsure of whether they want to wear the "duck bill", I always let them know that the monitors allow us to treat their pain more aggressively, as it helps indicate oversedation.

I agree that I would have given the PRN morphine as long as VS were stable. I would feel uncomfortable however giving repeated doses of morphine 2mg/hr. If the patient was not getting any pain relief from the first hourly dose or so I would probably contact the doctor and try and get something different for pain. Sometimes patients just respond differently and morphine does nothing for them and dilaudid does wonders...or vice versa..Also, I've seen combinations or "cocktails" seem to do amazing things too. Depending on the type of surgery a doctor could prescribe valium or another medication to reduce muscle spasms,etc and that mixed with pain meds does the trick.

Specializes in LTC/Rehab, Med Surg, Home Care.

If all the equipment was working correctly (I think someone else early on pointed out that they had a situation where the PCA was leaking?), and the pt. was stating no relief, I would do just what you did: Assess the pt.

I have had pts. who will be laying in bed, able to self-position, are calm, with stable VS, no guarding of the area of concern, no moaning, thrashing, facial grimacing, or crying. Yet they will rate their pain at 10/10...

But you are describing a pt. who looks and acts like they are in pain. In the first case, I would still give the pt. their request pain medications, document their pain rating and response, as well as their non-verbal s/s of pain.

In the second case, since equipment is working correctly, I would give the PRN and see what the response is--monitoring VS after giving the PRN. In the case of your pt. I do think the MD needs to be updated if she requires regular PRN doses.

I have also heard the theory of offering PRN pain meds as frequently as they have been ordered for the 1st 24 hours, and I don't agree with that. I'd rather assess my pt's pain frequently throughout the first 24 hours, and and make the decision WITH the patient. If the nurse walks into the room every 4 hours with pain meds, patients often feel like they have to take them--"She brought me the pill, it must be time for the medication." Some pts, especially older pts. do well on just tylenol, for example, and have a poor tolerence for narcotics.

Thank you again for your input! Just to respond to some of the questions--

I too was taught about alternative forms of pain control. This pt was in such pain she did not want to be touched and was having trouble coping with any stimuli. She wanted the light off and the room quiet. I noticed and iPod on the table and asked if she wanted me to turn it on for her to distract her from the pain and she said no, she already tried that. She was talking through clenched teeth and was clearly having trouble coping.

The PRN prescription was for 2mg morphine IV push. So let's say I was that nurse who was afraid of too much morphine-- I could just call the doctor and ask for them to change the prescription to 0.5- 2mg morphine so I could then give smaller doses, right? I did notice some other patients had that range prescribed.

Although I would rather not need to use narcan, that too was prescribed just in case, and at least it was there to fall back on . . .

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