getting an AGENCY or DIRECT HIRING???

himdale · Jan 6, 2006

DEPORTATION>>> not true? friend of a friend of a friend stories...

HERE IT IS>>> Check this US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement SITE by click this link>>>http://www.ice.gov/graphics/news/newsreleases/articles/050919chicago.htm

I will quote:

These weekly deportations demonstrate ICE's commitment to restoring integrity to the nation's immigration system. ICE formally removed more than 162,000 aliens nationally in fiscal year 2004. More than half of those were criminal aliens. The ICE Chicago office deported more than 6,100 aliens last year, a 28-percent increase over the previous year.

When air travel is most practical, ICE effects its deportations aboard both commercial and government aircraft. The government's aircraft is run by the U.S. Marshal Service, and is called the Justice Prisoner and Alien Transportation System (JPATS). JPATS is one of the largest transporters of prisoners in the world and handles hundreds of requests every day to move prisoners and criminal aliens nationally and internationally. There is an automatic 10-year bar against deported aliens from legally re-entering the U.S. Re-entering the U.S. after being formally deported is a felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison.

END OF QUOTE.

still_DALE

suzanne4, RN · Jan 6, 2006

please keep this friendly.:wink2:

now to the matter at hand, and to answer any eruptions that seem to be occurring here.

the issue that many have been having is not directly with the aos but not getting it before their visa expired and then they were out of status. that is where the problem arises.

yes, it is in violation of us immigration laws to go to the us on a tourist visa specifically for the purpose for finding a job and staying, however it is done all of the time by people from all over the world, and in all professions. if you are going to go ahead and go this route, some things to consider: if you file an extension, and then find a job after that application has been submitted, you will not be able to begin the process until you get an answer from immigration about your extension, as it is illegal to submit two applications of this type at the same time, and cannot be done. it is grounds to have everything immediately cancelled. if your extension is not approved, even though you have found an employer, you will be required to leave the country.

the other thing to consider is that you must be in the us for 60 days before the aos can even be filed on your behalf, then it takes about another 60 days on average before you receive the document that will permit you to work (the ead), and another week or so to get your social security number ------- so you are looking at about 4 1/2 months here without any income coming in. you will not be able to get any type of visa that will permit you to begin work right away.

if you do try to get something under the table, as we call it here, and get caught, you get deported and lose any chance of getting your green card.

so, please really do your homework before deciding that this is the route that you wish to take.

himdale · Jan 6, 2006

Here is another website that deals with NUMBERS, STATISTICAL DATA of DEPORTATION, DETENTION and REMOVAL not issued by a friend of a friend of a friend but by the USCIS, Immigration Enforcement Actions: 2004 released last November 2005.

These are documented cases that came from the U.S. Gov't! ENJOY!

You need an ADOBE ACROBAT READER to view these stats. You can download AA Reader for free at their website.

Here is the link:

http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/statistics/publications/AnnualReportEnforcement2004.pdf

I will quote again:

This Office of Immigration Statistics

Annual Report presents information on apprehensions, investigations, detention and removal of foreign nationals during 2004.1 Data were obtained from workload and case tracking systems of DHS. In 2004, in summary:

• DHS apprehended an estimated 1,241,089 foreign nationals. Ninety-two percent were natives of Mexico.

• There were 58,727 investigations initiated and 46,656 closed for immigration related activities including crime, compliance enforcement, work site enforcement, identity and benefit fraud, alien smuggling, and counter terrorism.

• ICE detained approximately 235,247 foreign nationals for a minimum of 24 hours.

• There were 202,842 foreign nationals formally removed from the United States. The leading countries of origin of formal removals were Mexico (73 percent), Guatemala (4.1 percent) and Honduras (4.0 percent). More than 1,035,000 other foreign nationals accepted an offer of voluntary departure.

End of quote:

This is not a GOSPEL. It is simply a reliable FACT and not some mere DRAMA.

still_Dale

Nurse Dependent · Jan 6, 2006

dear pinoy guy:

running the risk of entering into an unending exchanges of positions on the matter, i'm stating my last take on this issue.

expert positions, direct advises, opinions, and shared experiences abound in this forum. i like to think that we air our opinions (expert or otherwise) in the hopes that others gain a wider perspective on the options that are open to us all. go back to my very first post in this thread. i stated that what i said were just my personal opinions.

i realize that now, i should always put a disclaimer in my post stating the nature of the message -- ie "this is just an opinion," "or a suggestion," etc.

but with whatever people read around here, it's still up to the "reader to decide." (borrowing your own words, my friend). at the end of the day, people are (dare i say, should be) responsible for their actions based on their decisions, whether these were derived from an expert advise, from a quasi-expert, or a mere thought-sharer.

my wife and i have very personal reasons why we chose the cp route instead of the aos. to humor you, these are our topline considerations: practicality, official and personal responsibilities, and fairness. i sincerely hope that you accept those as the truth.

if my post caused a negative effect on your friend and her daughter, please extend my sincerest apologies to them. it was never my intention to do so. good luck to her. she's lucky to have a friend like you.

even if i don't agree with some of your points, please believe that i am still respecting your opinions. remember that. i wish you good luck.

to my fellow pinoys:

the sad fact of the matter is that we live in a country where we are left to fend for ourselves. no amount of personal sacrifices and hardwork will yield positive results for our family, and for our country. you're right. word of the day seems to be survival. i hope you believe me that there are people who still consider even a tinny bit of national sensitivity in that equation.

to my fellow posters:

i am still in the belief that there is not a single soul around here post with ill-intentions in their hearts.

we offer our seemingly insignificant 'two-cents' in the hope that we can contribute something positive, even with the knowledge that these may or may not be helpful or relevant to another. worse, be misconsrtrued as a diabolical scheme to mislead or bring other people's spirits down.

as what pinoy guy shared with us, our words have an effect on each other. my personal suggestion is that, let us not stop getting whatever kind of information regarding this matter. keep posting. let's keep ourselves informed. let's continue to ask questions. in the end, put a premium on expert advise by consultants, your agents, or immigration lawyers. some opinions around here may not sit well with you, ask them about it.let them validate or debunk.

then that's when we make the decision that we feel is right for us. let's try not to assign blame on each other if we make a wrong turn. let's try to be responsible for own decisions as well. these are our actions. our individual lives. our individual future.

again, if some of you are smitten by my opinion in this thread, i sincerely apologize.

these are mere opinions.

thank you, and good luck to us all.

:)

pinoy_guy · Jan 6, 2006

The issue that many have been having is not directly with the AOS but not getting it before their visa expired and then they were out of status. That is where the problem arises.
Yes, it is in violation of US immigration laws to go to the US on a tourist visa specifically for the purpose for finding a job and staying, however it is done all of the time by people from all over the world, and in all professions. If you are going to go ahead and go this route, some things to consider: if you file an extension, and then find a job after that application has been submitted, you will not be able to begin the process until you get an answer from immigration about your extension, as it is illegal to submit two applications of this type at the same time, and cannot be done. It is grounds to have everything immediately cancelled. If your extension is not approved, even though you have found an employer, you will be required to leave the country.
The other thing to consider is that you must be in the US for 60 days before the AOS can even be filed on your behalf, then it takes about another 60 days on average before you receive the document that will permit you to work (the EAD), and another week or so to get your Social Security Number ------- So you are looking at about 4 1/2 months here without any income coming in. You will not be able to get any type of visa that will permit you to begin work right away.
If you do try to get something under the table, as we call it here, and get caught, you get deported and lose any chance of getting your green card.
So, please really do your homework before deciding that this is the route that you wish to take.

Thanks Suzanne. I'm glad you posted this. It's a gamble the Nurse will have to make for himself/herself.

In my opinion, statistics pertaining to Mexicans, Guatemalans, and Hondurans, nor pertaining to criminals, should not even be brought up in a Nurses's Forum. They may be facts, but irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Peace.

pinoy_guy · Jan 6, 2006

but with whatever people read around here, it's still up to the "reader to decide." (borrowing your own words, my friend). at the end of the day, people are (dare i say, should be) responsible for their actions based on their decisions, whether these were derived from an expert advise, from a quasi-expert, or a mere thought-sharer.

Yes.

Anyway, it's amazing how many people still think that everything they read on the Internet is true. Some of the people I advise come from the provinces, and are relatively innocent regarding the Internet.

When I learned that she had let her visa expire, she said "Nasa Internet e, makukulong daw ako." ("It was on the Internet, I will get jailed.") When she showed me this (and another) forum, I was aghast.

my wife and i have very personal reasons why we chose the CP route instead of the AOS. to humor you, these are our topline considerations: practicality, official and personal responsibilities, and fairness. i sincerely hope that you accept those as the truth.

Thank you for being honest about your reasons. I'll let your reasons stand on their own.

if my post caused a negative effect on your friend and her daughter, please extend my sincerest apologies to them. it was never my intention to do so. good luck to her.

I admire your taking responsibility for it, but the fault is not all yours.

What I want though is to prevent this from happening to others.

even if i don't agree with some of your points, please believe that i am still respecting your opinions. remember that. i wish you good luck.

Thank you.

we offer our seemingly insignificant 'two-cents' in the hope that we can contribute something positive, even with the knowledge that these may or may not be helpful or relevant to another. worse, be misconsrtrued as a diabolical scheme to mislead or bring other people's spirits down.

This is the reason for this forums, a free exchange of ideas to help each other out.

our words have an effect on each other. my personal suggestion is that, let us not stop getting whatever kind of information regarding this matter. keep posting. let's keep ourselves informed. let's continue to ask questions. in the end, put a premium on expert advise by consultants, your agents, or immigration lawyers. some opinions around here may not sit well with you, ask them about it.let them validate or debunk.

I'm with you on this.

Thank you for being man enough to accept responsibility for your words.

I am not posting to pick a fight, I am just pointing out that the words here affect others. We should be responsible with our posts.

We have enough problems on our plate. The E-VAT, the Impeachment Case this June...

I only hope we all get jobs and visas before things really start boiling.

Nurse Dependent · Jan 6, 2006

whew!

thanks to himdale and pinoy guy for a healthy and thought-provoking quasi-debate! 'twas most certainly the highlight of an otherwise boring day for me. :)

thanks to you too, suzanne. don't worry. at the end of the day, we're all friends here who are bound by one common goal. :)

by the way... those were just my my opinion.

:rotfl:

himdale · Jan 6, 2006

Thanks Suzanne. I'm glad you posted this. It's a gamble the Nurse will have to make for himself/herself.
In my opinion, statistics pertaining to Mexicans, Guatemalans, and Hondurans, nor pertaining to criminals, should not even be brought up in a Nurses's Forum. They may be facts, but irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Peace.

Pinoy Guy,

IRRELEVANT? First you said that DEPORTATION ARE JUST STORIES. I gave you facts and then you say that it is not the topic on hand. Did you read all the 7 pages?

I would quote from the website of USCIS the one I gave above:

Each year, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) undertakes immigration enforcement actions involving hundreds of thousands of foreign nationals (for definitions of immigration enforcement action terms, see Box 1). These actions include the arrest, detention, and removal from the United States of

foreign nationals who are in violation of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). These violations include: attempting illegal entry into the United States, entering the United States legally but subsequently losing legal status, and engaging in terrorist activity, violent crime, document fraud, and drug smuggling. Responsibility for the enforcement of immigration law within DHS rests with the Bureau of Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). CBP handles the inspections of foreign nationals at ports of entry and the deterrence

or apprehension of illegal immigrants at the borders.

ICE is responsible for enforcing immigration laws within the interior of the United States.

End of quote.

These are not just CRIMINAL cases. These are immigration issues like your TOURISTS. How can you justify them? Survival FIRST?

WOW I Am from the province of NUEVA ECIJA. Did you took a survey to prove that people in the province believes everything they see on tv and on the internet? What you have there in MANILA, WE HAVE HERE.

Totally FUNNY. You really make me laugh! LMFAO!

For your info: People in the province have mobile phones, cable tv, broadband internet, DVD entertainment systems, satellite uplinks, PC Games. WE'RE NOT CAVEMANS you know... Hehe

You better warn all your friends in the province. They might see a post on the internet that says "its safe to drink a poison"... and you would blame me for that?

The purpose of these forums are very simple. TO GET INFORMED. Here we clash on our ideas and we provide facts! Let the readers be the judge!

And when I give facts please take the time to read and understand them so you would know what is relevant and not.

You really tickled my mind!:rotfl:

still_dale

Rep · Jan 6, 2006

Well, I have been entertained by an exchanged of ideas.

This nurses' forum have helped me a lot. The thing is research and reseach so we are not in a blind and share your knowledge/opinions so that others may know. Your opinion can influence a lot of poeple. But it is up for them to decide. All of us who posted here have no intention to mislead others and cause them harm, our posts serve as warnings/guides to others who are uninfromed/misinformed.

Good luck to everybody.:)

Ted · Jan 6, 2006

as suzanne said, keep the conversation friendly.

don't get personal through the postings. rather, keep the focus on the topic and not your fellow bulletin board member. if you have questions regarding expected behavior on this bulletin board, re-read the terms of service that you agreed to follow upon accepting membership here.

suzanne4, RN · Jan 6, 2006

pinoy guy,
irrelevant? first you said that deportation are just stories. i gave you facts and then you say that it is not the topic on hand. did you read all the 7 pages?
i would quote from the website of uscis the one i gave above:
each year, the department of homeland security (dhs) undertakes immigration enforcement actions involving hundreds of thousands of foreign nationals (for definitions of immigration enforcement action terms, see box 1). these actions include the arrest, detention, and removal from the united states of
foreign nationals who are in violation of the immigration and nationality act (ina). these violations include: attempting illegal entry into the united states, entering the united states legally but subsequently losing legal status, and engaging in terrorist activity, violent crime, document fraud, and drug smuggling. responsibility for the enforcement of immigration law within dhs rests with the bureau of customs and border protection (cbp) and the bureau of immigration and customs enforcement (ice). cbp handles the inspections of foreign nationals at ports of entry and the deterrence
or apprehension of illegal immigrants at the borders.
ice is responsible for enforcing immigration laws within the interior of the united states.

end of quote.

these are not just criminal cases. these are immigration issues like your tourists. how can you justify them? survival first?

wow i am from the province of nueva ecija. did you took a survey to prove that people in the province believes everything they see on tv and on the internet? what you have there in manila, we have here.
totally funny. you really make me laugh! lmfao!

for your info: people in the province have mobile phones, cable tv, broadband internet, dvd entertainment systems, satellite uplinks, pc games. we're not cavemans you know... hehe

you better warn all your friends in the province. they might see a post on the internet that says "its safe to drink a poison"... and you would blame me for that?

the purpose of these forums are very simple. to get informed. here we clash on our ideas and we provide facts! let the readers be the judge!
and when i give facts please take the time to read and understand them so you would know what is relevant and not.

you really tickled my mind!:rotfl:

still_dale

again, these are issues with people that fall out of status, but that is not the norm, fortunately. if they have done their homework, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to fall from status in doing things correctly.

each of you are entitled to your own opinions, but in no way will this forum be used for arguing with each other. personal attacks are not going to be accepted here. and just as a warning, it could ultimately lead to banning from this site by the administrators here. we do not permit it anywhere else here, and definitely not on this site.

each person is entitled to make their own decisions on what is best for them, there is no reason to insist that one way is the only correct way.

i am here to help all of you, but this has just gotten out of hand.

with all of the time that has been spent bickering over this one topic, it could have been put to much better use.

Nurse Dependent · Jan 7, 2006

each of you are entitled to your own opinions, but in no way will this forum be used for arguing with each other. personal attacks are not going to be accepted here.
each person is entitled to make their own decisions on what is best for them, there is no reason to insist that one way is the only correct way.

i agree with you, suzanne on these points, 100%.

if i may respectfully add to this (with your permission, of course), if we do decide to listen to an advise (expert or otherwise) or an opinion, let us also refrain from assigning blame on other people should the consideration of the opinion turn out to be counter-productive to our individual objectives.

the course we eventually choose to take should be based on careful considerations of so many things, definitely and should be beyond the personal interpretation on a matter by an individual.

whether an information is useful, irrelevant, or even disturbing for you, careful scrutiny and validation by a subject matter expert is strongly suggested.

as suzanne stated, decisions are made by an individual based on what they deem is best for them. we should be responsible too for the consequences of the decisions we make.

bottomline, we all want to keep this forum as productive as it is intended to be.

peace to y'all, my friends.

:)