Why is education not valued within our profession? - page 6
why is education not highly valued within the nursing profession? think about the large scheme of other "professions". education is held in high regard. why is this not the case in nursing? ... Read More
Nov 14, '01Brandy-
Please ignore those ignorant comments from someone who obviously has more personal issues than you have time on your hands.
People, let's debate intelligently. I know it's a struggle for some, but let's try a wee bit, shall we??
Nov 14, '01"You Go Girl!!!"
I have no doubt that you will be able to handle any curves that life throws at you effectively and efficientely. If you lived in my neck of the woods I would be happy to have you as a member of my team.
Nov 14, '01Burden on the health care system as an employee an as a patient?! This thread was titled "why is education not valued in our profession", not "let's see how critical we can be of Brandy over irrelevant things." Let's remember that.
I think some of deathnurse's comments were way out of line. Who peed in your Post Toasties this morning deathnurse?
Nov 14, '01don't forget yet "good for job security". It's a proven fact that when people are intimidated and can't debate intelligently, that they will resort to personal attacks. Case in point.
Nov 15, '01I am embarrassed about the unprofessional handling of this debate by deathnurse... This is not the place for personal attacks...
We as nurses must UNITE... not bicker and put each other down...
Nov 15, '01I think the reason education is not valued is that we have been watching our admin for cues as to what to value and what not. We seem to make avoiding lawsuits our first priority....
We have just started thinking about what WE value and what should be important for our profession, as opposed to following the lead of docs, or of admin. Which is why progressive minds, like Brandy's, are taking a fresh look at advancing education, yet others disagree, saying experience, or work ethic makes a more valuable, and effective nurse.
I think all these are interesting views, especially if someone could quantify work ethic, or experience. We all know fossils on the floors that are next to useless. What about valuing in depth experience in one field- I think we would come back to more formal education on that one. How do you get more informal education? And how do you get recognition for it?
We get CEU's, and hospital based competencies at my hospital. Unfortunately they are not attached to any increase in compensation.
Nov 15, '01Ok Nurs4kids and any other interested parties,
I agree that education isn't the only thing that keeps us where we are. I do my part on a daily basis. Keyword phrases, "I'm not going to do that" "Who's stupid idea was that?". So far, so good.
The comparison from nurse to electronic tech is not the one I was thinking of. Rather comparing the electronic tech to the engineer. That would be where the discrepancy between education in the same field leads to a difference in dollars. Also to a difference in responsibilities and advancement potential. I am aware that this probably did not escape you, rather you chose to voice a different point.
I realize that electronic techs are well compensated in many areas. Tech towns like Huntsville, AL probably have more positions than they can fill. My dad worked as an electronic tech for most of his working life. GO DAD!! But I graduated making more money than he did. So the money really does depend on what type of employer you choose to work for.
Where I currently live, in the great white north (BRRRRR), the electronic tech makes very little more than my teenage daughter makes at her summer job. But I got a decent raise in the move.
It doesn't explain why education is undervalued for nurses. I still put most of that on administrators accepting the low end education as justification to keep salaries in line with their acceptable limits.
Nov 15, '01We can put it on admin but then we would not be taking responsibility for our own professional conduct. We are all grown ups and can decide for ourselves individually, and as a group, where our values are.
Nov 15, '01In light of all the previous posts, those who think a technical education is adequate seem to be the majority. And canoehead, you are correct, this is their choice.
Following a course of deductive reasoning, the answer to Brandy's original question about why education is not valued in nursing is in danger of becoming "because a technical education is all that is required for a technical occupation".
Sad commentary indeed.
Nov 15, '01Nicely said PSnurse...and I might add "at this moment in time". What we must focus on is not what has gone before, but what we want to look forward to next. I personally envision a very different nursing future for us all. I have posted on this topic in many threads. Please feel free to search the archives.
We have an opportunity and a moral imperative to reshape nursing into the profession it must be. Let's start the dialogue now, but move beyond the blame laying, the egocentricity, and the stranglehold of the past.
my best to all
Nov 16, '01Slurs... digs.. and gutteral expressions only further to separate us...
WE are in crisis... the more we work in negative indeavors... the longer we are side tracked on the issue of gaining professionalism.... How can we accomplish this?
So much has been said to justify the need for furthering our education and OUR cause. I thank those who expressed those thoughts....