Things you'd LOVE to tell the doc and get away with it.... - page 8

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  1. by   lisaksemt
    Sorry doc, but if you truly believe that only white males are worthwhile, you need to move to a different hospital. Around here, we treat people equally, regardless of race or gender.
  2. by   WYDiceDancer
    hey, canuckstudent, this thread is for ranting and venting so we don't say these things to docs and disrepect them to their faces. without places like this, the nursing profession would soon be refered to like the post office, as in "going postal". let the rants continue, i'm loving every one of them.
  3. by   morte
    Quote from CanuckStudent
    Thank you for all of your posts. They were a logical level-headed breath of fresh air. I know this thread is supposed to be funny (and I can appreciate humor) but trashing healthcare team members is unfair. Some of this is too far. Both sides need to work together. The anger and bitterness that is evident in nursing obviously has complex causes that can't be addressed overnight. But I do think that everyone should at least do their best to be professional and polite, to everyone.

    If you are truly unhappy with nursing, consider another career. There are lots of other options in healthcare. Instead of complaining, if you think that you can do better, why not go back to school and apply to med school and become an MD yourself? Actions are what is needed to make a difference.
    you apparently don't understand the meaning of the word "vent".....please, find another thread for your educational efforts....this is not the place
  4. by   Tiffanytlc
    k now im scared of nursing school..maybe i shouldnt've read this
  5. by   dede1956
    tiffanytic, please don't be scared of nursing school...and don't let what we write scare you.
  6. by   Tiffanytlc
    thanks i already work with a dvm (vet) so i do have some idea, but i definetely think working with people is a lot more serious than workin with animals. sometimes i want to tell him things, but i realize that im not going to let a man with a bad temper ruin my day!!!
  7. by   cherrybreeze
    Quote from CanuckStudent
    Ouch! There's a scarily accurate undertone here...with some bitterness and frustration thrown in.

    MDs are part of the team like everyone else. I hate how those in healthcare get so territorial about their role. Some RNs snub Aides and LPNs, some RNs are bitter towards MDs (for their own reasons most of the time it seems). I have heard of techs being snubbed by RNs even thought they have the same education (or more).

    I have heard the horror stories, and yes, some doctors are complete idiots. Literally or figuratively. But respect goes both ways. Being a nurse is hard, being a doctor is hard. Sure the MD may not be running around changing IV bags, doing dressing changes, or inserting catheters, but that's not what they went to school for. They're figuring out the best way to treat a peds patient with cancer, manage a high risk pregnancy, or diagnose a rare disease. Pressure's on! You are ultimately responsible for that patient. MDs don't go to school for 10-12 years on average for nothing, even though it may seen that way to some.

    It may be a generational issue. As I recall, previously, nurses (RNs) didn't typically have much education (2 years only?), and their job was technical in nature. As such, they were subservient to the (usually male) MDs. We can thank Florence Nightingale for that. Why the FN crap is still taught in nursing courses today I'll never know.

    Anyway, educational requirements have expanded, nurses are highly trained, highly competitive programs have attracted better, more capable students, and nursing stands on its own as having a scope of practice and autonomy. Also, most MDs today do not subscribe to the old hierarchy. Most see other staff simply as team members. I think that as the 'old school' doctors and nurses retire, there will be less politics.

    All of that said, here's what I'd like to say:

    "Yes, I'm obtaining a diploma in bed pan emptying and @$$ wiping. Of *course* that's all I'm good for".

    P.S. I LOVED the OPs "hermaphrodite" comment. Hilarious! I almost fell off my chair.

    If you're going to throw in your own example, then that negates all of your posts here telling us how wrong it is to vent. So just stop.

    You're not saying anything that anyone here doesn't already KNOW. That doesn't mean we can't vent (as you obviously realize, YOU DID TOO). The point is venting, and it doesn't matter why.

    The old "only 2 years" thing isn't so "old".....I have an associate's degree, and my job isn't just technical in nature, nor am I subservient to the doc. So check yourself, please.
  8. by   Ruby Vee
    "so you don't want dr. jones involved in care of your patients? not much i can do about it. dr. jones is the intensivist this week. if you don't want him taking care of your patients. stop doing surgeries until he's off service. and by the way, i will not be discussing this with dr. jones. if you want him told that he's an incompetent donkey, *you* tell him."

    "cpr is more effective when the chest compressions are done on the chest rather than on the abdomen. and no, i can't step in and do them for you. there are 7 mds and 3 medical students in here, any one of whom could do cpr -- and i know because i signed every one of them off on their bls -- but i'm the only nurse."

    "i know the patient's wife is certifiably crazy. i know she's a pain in your behind, that she's called you every day for updates and that she screams at you every time you talk to her. but i will not go back and tell her that you're dead and can't speak to her. suck it up and deal."

    "why yes, dr. smith. i'd love to have dinner with you after work tonight. i'd love to meet your wife." (actually i have said this. funny, but i've never been to dinner with the physician, either. as soon as the wife gets mentioned he remembers a previous engagement.)
  9. by   Virgo_RN
    Quote from CanuckStudent
    Thank you for all of your posts. They were a logical level-headed breath of fresh air. I know this thread is supposed to be funny (and I can appreciate humor) but trashing healthcare team members is unfair. Some of this is too far. Both sides need to work together. The anger and bitterness that is evident in nursing obviously has complex causes that can't be addressed overnight. But I do think that everyone should at least do their best to be professional and polite, to everyone.

    If you are truly unhappy with nursing, consider another career. There are lots of other options in healthcare. Instead of complaining, if you think that you can do better, why not go back to school and apply to med school and become an MD yourself? Actions are what is needed to make a difference.
    The way I see it, you don't make it through med school by being an idiot. If you think nursing school is tough, it pales in comparison to med school. Those people worked their asses off to become MDs, and typically, they get my respect just for having the letters "MD" behind their name.

    However, and you will see this once you are out of school and are a practicing RN, what these RNs have seen- the things they are venting about- MDs dropping the ball, MDs acting like jerks, MDs discounting the observations of nurses, patients being harmed because of MD incompetence/arrogance/not giving a crap and so on, really do happen out there in the real world.

    Does it mean I have a problem with all MDs? Does it mean I am unhappy with nursing? No and no. In fact, I really do like the majority of doctors I work with, and I am glad I'm a nurse.

    So please, do not preach to me about professionalism, respect, or my career choice. If, as you say, actions are what is needed to make a difference, then why don't you stop posting on AN and go to med school yourself?
  10. by   Scrubby
    I have a funny story on what I did tell the doc and got away with a few days ago...

    We have a radio in my operating room. Some surgeons are quite happy and even insist on some music in the background, others do not like music and ask for it to be turned off. I'm quite happy either way.

    I had the radio on and this fellow-Dr X (not a consultant, a visiting surgeon from another country) came in and turned it off. During the case I asked what happened to the radio? The other surgeon (Dr Y) said that Dr X wanted it off, but he really wanted the music on. Doctor X said that the nurses want the radio on, Dr Y wants the radio on, the anaesthetist wanted the radio on, but that didn't matter because HE wanted the radio off!.

    There was a silence and everyone in the room just looked at him like he was a complete idiot.

    I said to him 'this is MY operating room, I clean it, restock it and work here everyday therefore it is MY radio and I say that I want it turned on'. I then asked the scout nurse to please turn the radio on.

    Had he asked nicely for the radio to be turned off I would have no problems. But I cannot stand arrogance and such obvious disregard for the team.
  11. by   kerric511
    Quote from SoundofMusic
    We nurses are still getting by sharing one tiny filthy dirty break room with every tech on two floors. Our coffee machine is actually off limits to us now, with the so-called "recession." We actually have to bring in our own coffee now. I bet you all have a great coffee machine up there in your lounge, though.

    Are you kidding!?? A coffee Machine? I'll be they have their own Barrista!
  12. by   CanuckStudent
    I'm sorry, I suppose we just don't share the same views.

    It's not that I am opposed to you venting, rather I just wanted to address the fact that another poster on here claimed to be rather disrespectful and unprofessional towards an MD (another member of the team). In fact, it was another poster who pointed this out.

    I don't think my point was necessarily offensive. There's a difference between actions and words. I was simply addressing that. Albeit in perhaps not the best way.

    Thank you for your advice, and I do plan on applying to med school (no flaming please). Hence why this is a personal sore spot for me. I'm sick of the hierarchy in healthcare. I hope that I will be part of the new generation of doctors who values the input from nurses.

    I hate seeing the negative comments, as it reinforces the many stereotypes that people have already. Nursing is known for lateral violence. No need to extend that perception. Denying this won't help, but acknowledging it can.

    I'm all for venting, but actions are another story. That was my main issue, and it was directed primarily at one poster. Instead of focusing on my comments, perhaps we should be finding out why the OP handled that call the way she/he did. As suggested earlier, the MD likely was looking for the RNs input.

    P.S. We don't offer 2 year RN programs in Canada anymore, almost all provinces require 4 year degrees for RNs. LPNs now have a 2 year diploma. In my case, it IS true that nurses have a higher level of education than they once did. I was simply pointing that out. Personally, I don't care if you are an LPN (2 years), RPN/Psychiatric Nurse (3 years), or RN (4 years).

    I hope everyone lets this go. Back to venting....
  13. by   Keysnurse2008
    Quote from canuckstudent
    ouch! there's a scarily accurate undertone here...with some bitterness and frustration thrown in.

    mds are part of the team like everyone else. i hate how those in healthcare get so territorial about their role. some rns snub aides and lpns, some rns are bitter towards mds (for their own reasons most of the time it seems). i have heard of techs being snubbed by rns even thought they have the same education (or more).

    i have heard the horror stories, and yes, some doctors are complete idiots. literally or figuratively. but respect goes both ways. being a nurse is hard, being a doctor is hard. sure the md may not be running around changing iv bags, doing dressing changes, or inserting catheters, but that's not what they went to school for. they're figuring out the best way to treat a peds patient with cancer, manage a high risk pregnancy, or diagnose a rare disease. pressure's on! you are ultimately responsible for that patient. mds don't go to school for 10-12 years on average for nothing, even though it may seen that way to some.

    it may be a generational issue. as i recall, previously, nurses (rns) didn't typically have much education (2 years only?), and their job was technical in nature. as such, they were subservient to the (usually male) mds. we can thank florence nightingale for that. why the fn crap is still taught in nursing courses today i'll never know.

    anyway, educational requirements have expanded, nurses are highly trained, highly competitive programs have attracted better, more capable students, and nursing stands on its own as having a scope of practice and autonomy. also, most mds today do not subscribe to the old hierarchy. most see other staff simply as team members. i think that as the 'old school' doctors and nurses retire, there will be less politics.

    all of that said, here's what i'd like to say:

    "yes, i'm obtaining a diploma in bed pan emptying and @$$ wiping. of *course* that's all i'm good for".

    p.s. i loved the ops "hermaphrodite" comment. hilarious! i almost fell off my chair. :d
    ok.....you are taking this way to seriously. in healthcare we have alot of things we do say to each other and dont say. in most places it is no longer the doctor is the captain of the ship. now...healthcare is geared towards a team approach. and some of the things i wrote...i have have actually said. but...it was said in the right place , at the right time. you dont ever ...ever....ever place blame when a event happens and it is clear that it is the result of one persons actions/inactions. but...it has to be addressed and yes...as healthcare team members we ahve toaddress the behavoir so it wont reoccur. and yes...those of us that have been nurses a few years ...and have that good rapport with the md's can use morbid humor to "get their attention". it works....in a non demeaning way. it is all about who you say it to, where you say it....and the rapport you have with that individual doctor. the actions/inactions of all all healthcare team members can kill patients. you have to keep a good rapport with everyone....and sometimes morbid dry humor...helps address issuesso they wont affect the next patient. ok?

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