Please be nice to medical students

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Hi all,

I just graduated from medical school. First off, I'd like to say that I've had many pleasant interactions with nurses. However, I would also like to say that I've had some very bad experiences with some nurses that seem to only pick on medical students. For example, on my emergency rotation, I had to do a 2 hour triage shift with the nurses. From the outset, I was told (rather rudely) by the nurse I was working with to bring the patient's chart up to the floor. I did this twice before I got fed up and told an attending emergency physician about this who then laid down the law. I would've let this pass, but many of my student colleagues and I have had many other interactions with nurses that have left a sour taste in my mouth. I realize that as a medical student I had very little experience compared with some of the nurses. But I still think that I should be treated like a human being. And these run-ins with nurses had nothing to do with my lack of knowledge or being an idiot on the floor--well except for the one time where I didn't know I had to pull my own glove and gown in the OR and got yelled at by the circulating nurse. Or the other time when I couldn't intubate this patient in the OR and the CRNA shoved me out of the way to intubate right in front of the attending anesthesiologist. This all seems to stem from the fact that I was wearing a short white coat. Heck, I think in the hospital hierarchy, we are the bottom of the barrel, below nursing students, PT students, etc.

The point of this post is to tell you guys to please be nice to medical students. We have it hard enough already from the constant pimping from our residents and attendings. Please be our friend on the floors.

Specializes in Education, Acute, Med/Surg, Tele, etc.

Oh man...speaking of that! I use to call the CNA's my CNA's. The CNA's had no probelm with this at all, and they called me 'their nurse'.

But during one nurses meeting one of the other nurses said that phrase and all heck broke loose! She was written up!!!!!! Oh man, I have to watch myself so that I don't ever say that again...I guess that holds true with saying "my patient" now...you have to say "the patient I am caring for"...uhggggggg Don't you love all this PC crud!!!!!!!

I certainly didn't mean to offend you. I never considered that anyone would take that phrase personally. In fact, I have referred to my staff as "my CNAs." So now I will know to stop doing that! :)

No offense taken. It's just a pet peeve of mine. I think many nurses don't think twice about it, but it is a reflection of the perceived subordinate relationship of nurses to doctors.

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.

We have a nurse that's been in our dept. for years, who used to be the supervisor (when she went part-time, she stepped down). She always referred to the nurses as "my nurses". I know that when she would say that, it wasn't meant in a bad way, but more like a group of co-workers that she would go to great lengtrhs to support.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Geriatrics.
Oh man...speaking of that! I use to call the CNA's my CNA's. The CNA's had no probelm with this at all, and they called me 'their nurse'.

But during one nurses meeting one of the other nurses said that phrase and all heck broke loose! She was written up!!!!!! Oh man, I have to watch myself so that I don't ever say that again...I guess that holds true with saying "my patient" now...you have to say "the patient I am caring for"...uhggggggg Don't you love all this PC crud!!!!!!!

It's not PC. I didn't appreciate being referred to as belonging to one of the other nurses when I worked as a NT (I'm going to send "my" tech down there to pick it up, etc"). It's very patronizing and it's unnecessary to refer to other adults in this manner.

Oh man...speaking of that! I use to call the CNA's my CNA's. The CNA's had no probelm with this at all, and they called me 'their nurse'.

But during one nurses meeting one of the other nurses said that phrase and all heck broke loose! She was written up!!!!!! Oh man, I have to watch myself so that I don't ever say that again...I guess that holds true with saying "my patient" now...you have to say "the patient I am caring for"...uhggggggg Don't you love all this PC crud!!!!!!!

The CNAs I work with (lol!) call me "their nurse," too.

Specializes in ICU.

I have to say, in general when I used to work in the ER with the revolving door of med students and interns, it drove me nuts at times. Many were great and had a good experience there, but in general I've come across many who have quite an attitude, probably because they don't understand exactly how things work.

And the more senior they get, by the time they become fellows, nurses have saved their ass so many times, they are a bit more respectful.

I do have to say though , that in the ER, as one poster said, we could be abrupt, simply because we don't have the time to elaborate .

I hope your experience gets better, maybe telling that nurse that you're very interested in using that time to learn from them rather than run errands would have been a better approach. As I see it, you're dead meat now ....

Are doctors the boss of all the nurses and other staff. From the Op's post thats what i got when he said the Doc had to lay down the law. I just always thought that the doctors were in charge of diagnosing and treating patients, i did not know that they were also the bosses of the hospitals and every other type of health care facility. for instance if a nurse or CNA or Rt is late for work, do they have to answer to the doctor. Just curious on how this works.

Andy

i have been a nurse for almost a year. i work in a large teaching hospital full of residents and med students. a lot of them come in and with the attitude that they are better because they are going to be MD's. this is not always the case though. i remember one resident who was trying to figure out how to get my elderly pt on a bed pan because i was charting and he didn't want to bother me :saint: (until he realized he didin't know how). then there is the medical student who tried to give me verbal orders and got mad when i refused to accept them.:madface:

Are doctors the boss of all the nurses and other staff. From the Op's post thats what i got when he said the Doc had to lay down the law. I just always thought that the doctors were in charge of diagnosing and treating patients, i did not know that they were also the bosses of the hospitals and every other type of health care facility. for instance if a nurse or CNA or Rt is late for work, do they have to answer to the doctor. Just curious on how this works.

Andy

No, doctors are not our bosses. We report to a nurse manager. Docs can complain to our manager if they like, just like anyone else can (patients, families, housekeeping, RTs, PTs, pharmacists, etc).

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
this is an interesting post. i have a question. i'm due to start an accelerated rn program as part of a career change (mba background to rn). most everyone is very positive about my change except my father, who consistently tells me "i don't know how you are going to deal with those doctors who will talk down to you and treat you like you are stupid all day long." how big is that problem? is it something to be conerned about? or is he just sore his son is taking a humongous paycut and actually doing what he wants to do with his life?????

thanks - all responses appreciated.

your father evidently has a mistaken idea about what you're going to encounter. if you act stupid, you'll be treated as if you're stupid, but if you act like you have a brain in your head, that's how you'll be treated. even if you don't know something -- and we've all been there -- if you ask intelligent questions, appear to process the information and don't make the same mistakes twice, most doctors (and everyone else) will be happy to work with you. there are always going to be some doctors (and pharmacists and nurses and physical therapists and respiratory therapists . . . .) who talk down to you. but i'm sure you never encountered those kinds of folks in the business world, right? (tongue firmly in cheek.)

congratulations on finally doing what you want and good luck on your nursing career!

ruby vee, rn, bsn, mba

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
you seriously need to understand that as a doctor, your nurses can make you or break you. maybe it's you who should consider being nice to them.

your nurses can make or break you? excuse me, but i don't work for the physicians. i work with the physicians.

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.

(I DOUBT the poster that said "your nurses" meant it like THAT, and they've already apologized for the 'offense')

Good grief.

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