Please be nice to medical students

Nurses General Nursing

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Hi all,

I just graduated from medical school. First off, I'd like to say that I've had many pleasant interactions with nurses. However, I would also like to say that I've had some very bad experiences with some nurses that seem to only pick on medical students. For example, on my emergency rotation, I had to do a 2 hour triage shift with the nurses. From the outset, I was told (rather rudely) by the nurse I was working with to bring the patient's chart up to the floor. I did this twice before I got fed up and told an attending emergency physician about this who then laid down the law. I would've let this pass, but many of my student colleagues and I have had many other interactions with nurses that have left a sour taste in my mouth. I realize that as a medical student I had very little experience compared with some of the nurses. But I still think that I should be treated like a human being. And these run-ins with nurses had nothing to do with my lack of knowledge or being an idiot on the floor--well except for the one time where I didn't know I had to pull my own glove and gown in the OR and got yelled at by the circulating nurse. Or the other time when I couldn't intubate this patient in the OR and the CRNA shoved me out of the way to intubate right in front of the attending anesthesiologist. This all seems to stem from the fact that I was wearing a short white coat. Heck, I think in the hospital hierarchy, we are the bottom of the barrel, below nursing students, PT students, etc.

The point of this post is to tell you guys to please be nice to medical students. We have it hard enough already from the constant pimping from our residents and attendings. Please be our friend on the floors.

Specializes in ICU, CCU, Trauma, neuro, Geriatrics.

There are mean people and nice people in this world. The mean people were not born that way, nor were the nice people. Life experiences slowly dragged us out of our small selfish environment and taught us how to interact with others. Be one of those positive experiences to those around you, the world will be a better place for it.

Specializes in Internal Medicine Unit.
Perhaps I ammisunderstanding the poster.

Nurses are not your subordinates, they are professionals of a separate department. You have a problem, you speak to them. You continue to have a problem, you speak to their supervisor....which is a Nurse Manager.....NOT the attending who is YOUR supervisor. Or you have your attending speak to her nurse manager. 95% of the time, you will just need to speak (professional to professional) the nurse and the problem will be solved.

:yeahthat:

No offense taken. It's just a pet peeve of mine. I think many nurses don't think twice about it, but it is a reflection of the perceived subordinate relationship of nurses to doctors.

It really irks my bum, too. I hear nurses say "my girls" or "my techs" and it always makes me cringe. Maybe they don't mean anything by it, but...

Specializes in EC, IMU, LTAC.

Well, I guess I'd better stop referring to the close people in my life as "My friends," since I don't own them (ownership would imply things like slavery) and friendship is supposed to be mutual. (sarcasm)

I dont necessarily see saying "my ..." as always being a term that is a sign of subordination. Sometimes I feel it comes across as more as a term of endearment, like a mother and her children that she would do anything for. I dont see it as ownership. Like for example...a teacher and her students. My nurse manager once said that residents/interns would not talk to HER nurses with disrespect like a certain resident had, and she had made him/her aware of her position on the treatment of the staff. I felt like she was being protective, not condescending. However, when the term is used by someone who is an elitist and a "holier-than-thou" then it takes on a different tone.

Specializes in private duty/home health, med/surg.

My floor--er, the floor at the hospital that I work at--has a great deal of teamwork. I think one of the ways we reflect that is that the aides say "my nurse," the nurse says "my aide," we introduce ourselves to patients as "your nurse & aide." Nothing possessive is meant by it. :rolleyes:

Unfortunately, there are people like that in every profession. When I worked in the hospital, I saw it sometimes and it drove me nuts.

There is also the reverse though. I've had med students and interns talk down to me and be generally not nice because it seemed they had something to prove. After one particular bit of rudeness, I walked up to the med student and said, "don't ever treat the floor or unit nurses that way because we are the ones who can make your life easier, or harder, on the floor. We know where everything is, we know the procedures, the protocols and the shortcuts to help you. I suggest you think about that the next time you decide to treat us like idiots."

And I love Ruby's advice. More than once I've found myself saying something like that. Luckily, the interns caught on quickly and changed their mind quickly. :-)

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.

Off Topic: When I first got here I was a charge nurse and said something about "My LPN's" and spent about the next 7 days and endless posts defending myself. As a charge nurse I've always said "my nurses, my CNAs, my secretary, my LPNs".

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.

On topic: I'm sorry the med student hasn't been treated very nicely by the nurses.

I really hate to say it, but I've seen med students and interns being treated rudely by nurses. Even on this message board there was a thread about "tell us your stupid intern stories".

It starts off the nurse-doctor relationship on the wrong foot. Nurses are so quick to blame MDs bad relationships, but often it starts with nurses. Or at the very least, we don't help matters.

It especially gets disrespectful if nurses aren't doing what the interns asked "where is that UA I ordered this morning? How come there are no I&O's documented"..........Nurse: "If you want your I&O's done why don't you do it yourself you're just an intern, you don't tell me what to do. And while we're at what were you thiniking ordering.........blah blah blah........".

Nurses in no way should kiss butt, suck up, but a little respect for the newbie would be nice. And visa versa.

I know I'll get flamed for not defending my profession. I'm not generalizing, but just some of my observations in working with interns and med students over the years.

Of course, I've often seen the arrogant superior acting interns. But we shouldn't presume all interns are like that and treat each one with professionalism until they prove themselves otherwise.

sometimes it gets into the ego thing..a nurse may feel that it sucks that a intern is on the verge of advancing

i have seen lpns and cnas that treat rn students like that

i have also seen new nurses out to show where on the totem pole THEY are *** part of this is the schools fault they tell the students they must establish a 'pecking order' or they will lose all respect

all people deserve to be treated with respect and if you have gone to school and worked hard to be where you are then you deserve respect for that..just remember not to scorn those who chose a different path or those who may not have had the opportunities that you have had

work together as a team...don't take offense where none is meant..

To the OP: sorry that happened to you. I've met nasty, high and mighty doctors and nasty, high and mighty nurses. The best thing is to treat everyone with mutual respect and focus on the work when you come in contact with the nasty, high and mighty people.

Rudeness and complexes go both ways as is evidenced by some of the responses on this thread.

On topic: I'm sorry the med student hasn't been treated very nicely by the nurses.

I really hate to say it, but I've seen med students and interns being treated rudely by nurses. Even on this message board there was a thread about "tell us your stupid intern stories".

It starts off the nurse-doctor relationship on the wrong foot. Nurses are so quick to blame MDs bad relationships, but often it starts with nurses. Or at the very least, we don't help matters.

It especially gets disrespectful if nurses aren't doing what the interns asked "where is that UA I ordered this morning? How come there are no I&O's documented"..........Nurse: "If you want your I&O's done why don't you do it yourself you're just an intern, you don't tell me what to do. And while we're at what were you thiniking ordering.........blah blah blah........".

Nurses in no way should kiss butt, suck up, but a little respect for the newbie would be nice. And visa versa.

I know I'll get flamed for not defending my profession. I'm not generalizing, but just some of my observations in working with interns and med students over the years.

Of course, I've often seen the arrogant superior acting interns. But we shouldn't presume all interns are like that and treat each one with professionalism until they prove themselves otherwise.

ITA. Good post.
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