Pet Nurse??

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while i have answered several discussions over the years this is my first thread. my question involves the use of the term "nurse". i thought that the term was protected by law in most states. my understanding was that only people who were rn's or lpn's could use the title nurse. am i wrong?

over the past few years, i have seen ads of a veterinary corporation (banfield) looking for "pet nurses". a typical ad looks like this: taken from the banfield website at http://www.banfield.net/careers/other_positions.asp.

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general function the petnurse supports the veterinarians in ensuring quality veterinary care for all pets, advocates for pets, educates clients on all aspects of pet health, and ensures a safe and effective hospital environment. duties and responsibilities act as the extra eyes, ears and hands for the veterinarian to ensure the best quality pet care and to maximize the veterinarian's productivity. lead veterinarians and veterinary medical team through the cycle of service and communicate with the other team members to maintain the flow of patients. provide professional, efficient and exceptional service at all times. this includes performing procedures that do not require veterinarian assistance, completing preparatory work for other procedures, ensuring that clients and pets are comfortable in the hospital, and monitoring hospitalized or surgical pets. educate clients about optimum wellness plans, preventative care, pet health needs, any diagnosis or treatment, hospital services and other issues. obtain relevant information and history from clients and maintain proper and complete medical charts. ensure the safety of pets, clients and team members by utilizing safe restraining techniques, following standard protocols, and maintaining clean, sterile and organized treatment areas, exam rooms and labs. perform other duties as assigned. petnurse profile working condition: physical ability - ability to work with and around pets (and clients) with complete comfort, confidence and ease (i.e., dogs, cats, birds, reptiles, etc.). ability to regularly stand, and to reach and feel with hands and arms. ability to frequently walk, stoop, kneel, or crouch, and to lift or move up to 50 pounds. work schedule - ability and willingness to work a schedule that may include a variety of shifts, including evening, weekends and holidays, and may vary from week to week based on business needs. required capabilities: compassionate commitment to pet care - clearly, confidently and professionally presents the pet treatment recommendation as an advocate for the pet, gaining the client's agreement to proceed with the treatment best suited to the pet's current condition and long term health. communication skills - reads, writes and speaks fluent english, using appropriate grammar, style and vocabulary. correctly spells commonly used english words and medical terms. fluent in spanish in markets where local population is predominantly spanish speaking. ability to multi-task- manages multiple medical, diagnostic, service and/or administrative tasks at one time; quickly and accurately shifts attention among multiple tasks under distracting conditions without loss of accuracy or appearance of frustration. customer service skills - consistently provides clients and pets with attentive, courteous and informative service. gains and shows personal satisfaction from delivering good service, seeing pet health improve and satisfying clients. problem solving skills- quickly determines when subtle indicators of medical conditions can result in threats to pet health/longevity and questions clients to identify causes; transmits accurate and complete patient medical history and status to the veterinarian verbally and through petware. intellectual ability - accurately and consistently follows instructions delivered in an oral, written or diagram format. mathematical ability - ability to add, subtract, multiply and divide, and to compute rate, ratio and percent; ability to convert units of measurement. computer skills - comfortably and confidently uses a computer and specialized software to check clients in and out, update client and patient records, and conduct and balance daily transactions, among other things. required attitudes: integrity - firmly adheres to the values and ethics of banfield, the pet hospitalĀ®. exhibits honesty, discretion, and sound judgment. cooperativeness - willing to work with others, collaborating and compromising where necessary; promptly shares relevant information with others. initiative - shows willingness and aptitude to use own discretion in taking appropriate steps in finding solutions to problems; presents options and ideas to enhance current processes or procedures. takes on additional responsibility when both big and small tasks need to be done; seeks out the most valuable work to do during times when the hospital faces low client demand. tolerance for stress - maintains a positive "can do" outlook, rebounds quickly from frustrations and unpleasantness, maintains composure and friendly demeanor while dealing with stressful situations. flexibility - is open to changing situations and opportunities within the hospital and is willing to perform all tasks as assigned. is available and willing to work all hours required to ensure hospital functions efficiently. willing to assist other area hospitals as needed. independence - able and willing to perform tasks and duties without constant supervision. education and/or experience high school graduate or equivalent. associate or bachelor degree, veterinary technician certification or licensure or one year of related experience preferred. benefits: pt team members enjoy the following benefits: competitive salary and bonuses 401(k) retirement savings plan employee assistance program basic wellness plans for one pet 20% discount off banfieldĀ® veterinary care not covered by wellness plans 15% discount off qualifying merchandise at petsmart superstores waltham pet food rebate program 15% discount off club rates for "rapid results platinum memberships" and above at most bally total fitness clubs ft team members enjoy the following benefits in addition to the benefits listed above: medical, prescription, dental and vision insurance life insurance for team members and dependents health and dependent care flexible spending accounts short and long-term disability insurance accidental death & dismemberment (ad&d) insurance up to 21 days of paid time off per year basic wellness plans for up to three pets we are a drug-free, smoke-free, equal opportunity employer. company policy, federal and state laws forbid discrimination because of age, color, race, religion, sex, disability, sexual orientation or national origin

i don't have a problem with banfield in general. in fact i don't know much about them. i just have a problem with the term "pet nurse" when we are/should be considered veterinary technicians. the other problem that i have is that the banfield "pet nurses" do not have to have any training in veterinary technology in order to be considered a "pet nurse" although it is preferred. several years ago the veterinary technician community wanted the change the title to veterinary nurse. the ana told our association (navta) that the terminology was illegal in many states. so i was wondering why banfield can use the term "nurse" and the veterinary community as a whole cannot. seems strange to me. oh and for the record, i prefer to be called a veterinary technician.

fuzzy, cvt

ANA that says it all....

I could care less who calls themselves nurses...I know and the public is also smart enough to klnow who are people nurses. You do not get doctors getting their nose all out of shape when some calls themselves Dr Jim, you car doctor, or a company called Car Doctors. Now if some called himself a car nurse nurses would be foaming at the mouth. Lets look at important issues like who is going to win American Idol and how much do we hate Rob & Amber on the amazing race...

here is the letter written to the navta's executive director patrick navarre in 2002. for those of you who are interested.

using "veterinary nurse" instead of veterinary technician?

recently there has been a number of letters written to the editor about using the terminology veterinary nurse instead of the veterinary technician. a number of states have tried to change their title to veterinary nurse and have found strong opposition to this by the american nurses association (ana). various rumors of copyrighted title or protected term have circulated through various publications. but to our knowledge no one had written to the ana for information. in order to get a concrete answer from the ana, patrick navarre, bs, rvt, navta's executive director wrote to them and asked for clarification on use of the term nurse. the following is a synopsis of their response.

dear mr. navarre:

i thank you for this opportunity to address your concern over the use of the term "nurse" in relation to veterinary technicians.

while i understand and appreciate your desire to use the term "nurse" as an alternative to technician, we ask that you consider the following concerns. the term "nurse" has been historically used to address care and the tending to of human illnesses and ailments. its common usage does not incorporate pet or animal care. second, it is used separately or as part of a term which makes reference to a licensed profession related to the care of human illness and ailments; and any other use of the term may be confusing to the public. moreover, a number of states have provisions in law which prohibit the use of the term nurse except as a reference to an existing licensed professional. for example, california law strictly prohibits using the term "doctor's nurse" or the abbreviation r.d.n. or any other title or insignia indicating that a person is duly licensed as a registered nurse, when such person is not licensed. see 32 op. cal. atty. gen. 156. other states have prohibitions against using the term "nurse," "registered nurse," or "nurse practitioner" or any derivation of a title used as a licensed title. in other states where this type of protection does not exist, state attorneys general or aggrieved persons have challenged the use of the "nurse" under the state consumer protection or consumer fraud acts.

i am sure that many in our membership would be complimented by your desire to use the term "nurse" to define your role. however, the association believes that this use would mislead the public and would provide additional basis for devaluing our role as professionals who provide patient care and who have an independent scope of practice. we believe distinctions should be made between those who provide care for human beings and other forms of life. it is our hope that your organization would review the distinctions and would be mindful of the public need for clarity in terminology. we are aware of some states statutes which, in our view, inappropriately have incorporated the term "nurse" in the veterinary statutes and we are making determinations how best to proceed to eliminate this misuse.

again, thank you for writing and i trust i have provided you with a clear response.

sincerely,

winifred y. carson

practice counsel

ana

600 maryland ave., sw

suite 100 west

washington, dc 20024-2571

202-651-7000

http://www.nursingworld.org

veterinary technology is a young field when compared to nursing. like nurses, technicians have a problem with recognition, pay, and respect. while on the job trained people have their place in the animal hospital team, they should not be called "nurses" or veterinary technicians unless they have proper education and have sat and passed their state and national exams. i wonder how many nurses are trained on the job before they go to school.

fuzzy

veterinary technology is a young field when compared to nursing. like nurses, technicians have a problem with recognition, pay, and respect. while on the job trained people have their place in the animal hospital team, they should not be called "nurses" or veterinary technicians unless they have proper education and have sat and passed their state and national exams. i wonder how many nurses are trained on the job before they go to school.

fuzzy

i would venture to say that a lot of nurses are trained on the job. my understanding is that school prepares you for an entry level position where you're far from knowing everything. when you deal with people, you deal with red tape and lots of it. i don't doubt that an rn could be trained to be a wonderful rn without ever stepping into a classroom. the fact that you learned something sitting behind a desk doesn't make that knowledge superior. if you knew everything you know now and didn't learn it in a classroom, would you be any less capable or educated? the fact that one hasn't taken a test doesn't mean that one couldn't take it and pass with flying colors. :uhoh3:

our skilled, experienced techs get plenty of respect. i doubt that vet tech pay will ever equal rn pay for obvious reasons.

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I have not changed my stance since answering those threads. I believe the term "nurse" should be protected and limited to those of us in NURSING of humans. Let vet techs stay just that: vet techs.

And that is all I will say on this thread.

And that is all I will say on this thread.

:yeah:

ANA that says it all....

I could care less who calls themselves nurses...I know and the public is also smart enough to klnow who are people nurses. You do not get doctors getting their nose all out of shape when some calls themselves Dr Jim, you car doctor, or a company called Car Doctors. Now if some called himself a car nurse nurses would be foaming at the mouth. Lets look at important issues like who is going to win American Idol and how much do we hate Rob & Amber on the amazing race...

see, i think this does matter. i think things like this contribute to OUR public image, and subsequently the shortage.

medical doctors would not, and have not, stood for the same situation. a veterinarian is the title of an animal doctor. a long time ago doctors made the distinction quite clear.

we should also insist that caregivers of animals have their own title just like medical docs did.

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These threads make me less than proud to be a "nurse". There are so many more important issues in this sad world that deserve attention.

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ANA that says it all....

I could care less who calls themselves nurses...I know and the public is also smart enough to klnow who are people nurses. You do not get doctors getting their nose all out of shape when some calls themselves Dr Jim, you car doctor, or a company called Car Doctors. Now if some called himself a car nurse nurses would be foaming at the mouth. Lets look at important issues like who is going to win American Idol and how much do we hate Rob & Amber on the amazing race...

...I really appriciate your closing statement!!!! So funny! Made me laugh while trying to stay awake at 5am......... thanks

I'm not sure yet how I feel on the term "PetNurse". I will tell you that a certified veterinary technician or someone who has been in the veterinary field for some time does have a great amount of knowledge. (That is, those that put some effort into learning.) As a vet tech they have the potential to do so much more than an A.S. or A.A. RN.

For instance:

- they take their own radiographs, that need to be good enough for the doctor to make a diagnosis. Taking a good radiograph takes skill, especially when the patient is not cooperative. (They don't send the patient to radiology or have radiology come up to the room.)

- they draw their own blood and place their own catheters. (Keep in mind that the animal may be in constant motion while doing this, and trying to bite them.) They don't have a phlebotomist that they can call to do it for them.

- an experienced vet tech can place an NG tube or nasal cannulas. Which in animals need to be inserted into the nose sometimes 4-5 inches and then sutured in. Again, all while the animal is moving and trying to bite.

- many vet techs can make a read their own blood smear. Doing a full differential and cell blood count. (How many nurses do you know who can do this?)

- they also look at various other specimens under the microscope.... urine, feces, ear debris or pus from an abscess. They have the responsibility to guide the doctor in finding a diagnosis with these samples. Nurses send EVERYTHING to the lab.

- depending on which hospital a vet tech works at, they may need to know the anatomy and physiology of various species. You wouldn't treat a bird or reptile the same as a cat or dog. RN's only have one species to work with, humans.

I could go on and on about this. The point is, some veterinary techs are VERY knowledgeable and competent... while yes, others may not be.

I'm not sure yet how I feel on the term "PetNurse". I will tell you that a certified veterinary technician or someone who has been in the veterinary field for some time does have a great amount of knowledge. (That is, those that put some effort into learning.) As a vet tech they have the potential to do so much more than an A.S. or A.A. RN.

For instance:

- they take their own radiographs, that need to be good enough for the doctor to make a diagnosis. Taking a good radiograph takes skill, especially when the patient is not cooperative. (They don't send the patient to radiology or have radiology come up to the room.)

- they draw their own blood and place their own catheters. (Keep in mind that the animal may be in constant motion while doing this, and trying to bite them.) They don't have a phlebotomist that they can call to do it for them.

- an experienced vet tech can place an NG tube or nasal cannulas. Which in animals need to be inserted into the nose sometimes 4-5 inches and then sutured in. Again, all while the animal is moving and trying to bite.

- many vet techs can make a read their own blood smear. Doing a full differential and cell blood count. (How many nurses do you know who can do this?)

- they also look at various other specimens under the microscope.... urine, feces, ear debris or pus from an abscess. They have the responsibility to guide the doctor in finding a diagnosis with these samples. Nurses send EVERYTHING to the lab.

- depending on which hospital a vet tech works at, they may need to know the anatomy and physiology of various species. You wouldn't treat a bird or reptile the same as a cat or dog. RN's only have one species to work with, humans.

I could go on and on about this. The point is, some veterinary techs are VERY knowledgeable and competent... while yes, others may not be.

Thanks A Berry Girl. This is why I'm defensive about my job title just like many nurses. Granted having a diploma and passing the state and national boards dosn't necessarily make one a good veterinary technician but it does PROVE that they have enough general knowledge to hopefully do the job safely without risking the life of the patient. Does this sound familar to you nurses? People who are trained on the job without any formal education are not bad, in fact they are an important part of the team, BUT they are not veterinary technicians either but veterinary assistants. There are states now that are writing veterinary technician terminalogy into their practice acts to protect the title which is similar to what the nursing industry had done many years ago.

What bother's me is that a large corparation gets away from this by hiring people with little or no education and calling them a "nurse". The term nurse to me has always ment that the person has attended nursing school and has learned some skills before going out into the real world instead of "practicing on the patients" in a real life setting. To me this is deceiving the public. I'm sure that their name tags don't say "PetNurse In Training" or "Student PetNurse" but just "PetNurse". From reading other threads, I thought that the response would be different as nurses always seemed to be very protective of their nurse title. But again that was 2002-03. Times change.

Fuzzy, CVT who will always be a veterinary technician.

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