Pet Nurse??

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while i have answered several discussions over the years this is my first thread. my question involves the use of the term "nurse". i thought that the term was protected by law in most states. my understanding was that only people who were rn's or lpn's could use the title nurse. am i wrong?

over the past few years, i have seen ads of a veterinary corporation (banfield) looking for "pet nurses". a typical ad looks like this: taken from the banfield website at http://www.banfield.net/careers/other_positions.asp.

description

general function the petnurse supports the veterinarians in ensuring quality veterinary care for all pets, advocates for pets, educates clients on all aspects of pet health, and ensures a safe and effective hospital environment. duties and responsibilities act as the extra eyes, ears and hands for the veterinarian to ensure the best quality pet care and to maximize the veterinarian's productivity. lead veterinarians and veterinary medical team through the cycle of service and communicate with the other team members to maintain the flow of patients. provide professional, efficient and exceptional service at all times. this includes performing procedures that do not require veterinarian assistance, completing preparatory work for other procedures, ensuring that clients and pets are comfortable in the hospital, and monitoring hospitalized or surgical pets. educate clients about optimum wellness plans, preventative care, pet health needs, any diagnosis or treatment, hospital services and other issues. obtain relevant information and history from clients and maintain proper and complete medical charts. ensure the safety of pets, clients and team members by utilizing safe restraining techniques, following standard protocols, and maintaining clean, sterile and organized treatment areas, exam rooms and labs. perform other duties as assigned. petnurse profile working condition: physical ability - ability to work with and around pets (and clients) with complete comfort, confidence and ease (i.e., dogs, cats, birds, reptiles, etc.). ability to regularly stand, and to reach and feel with hands and arms. ability to frequently walk, stoop, kneel, or crouch, and to lift or move up to 50 pounds. work schedule - ability and willingness to work a schedule that may include a variety of shifts, including evening, weekends and holidays, and may vary from week to week based on business needs. required capabilities: compassionate commitment to pet care - clearly, confidently and professionally presents the pet treatment recommendation as an advocate for the pet, gaining the client's agreement to proceed with the treatment best suited to the pet's current condition and long term health. communication skills - reads, writes and speaks fluent english, using appropriate grammar, style and vocabulary. correctly spells commonly used english words and medical terms. fluent in spanish in markets where local population is predominantly spanish speaking. ability to multi-task- manages multiple medical, diagnostic, service and/or administrative tasks at one time; quickly and accurately shifts attention among multiple tasks under distracting conditions without loss of accuracy or appearance of frustration. customer service skills - consistently provides clients and pets with attentive, courteous and informative service. gains and shows personal satisfaction from delivering good service, seeing pet health improve and satisfying clients. problem solving skills- quickly determines when subtle indicators of medical conditions can result in threats to pet health/longevity and questions clients to identify causes; transmits accurate and complete patient medical history and status to the veterinarian verbally and through petware. intellectual ability - accurately and consistently follows instructions delivered in an oral, written or diagram format. mathematical ability - ability to add, subtract, multiply and divide, and to compute rate, ratio and percent; ability to convert units of measurement. computer skills - comfortably and confidently uses a computer and specialized software to check clients in and out, update client and patient records, and conduct and balance daily transactions, among other things. required attitudes: integrity - firmly adheres to the values and ethics of banfield, the pet hospital®. exhibits honesty, discretion, and sound judgment. cooperativeness - willing to work with others, collaborating and compromising where necessary; promptly shares relevant information with others. initiative - shows willingness and aptitude to use own discretion in taking appropriate steps in finding solutions to problems; presents options and ideas to enhance current processes or procedures. takes on additional responsibility when both big and small tasks need to be done; seeks out the most valuable work to do during times when the hospital faces low client demand. tolerance for stress - maintains a positive "can do" outlook, rebounds quickly from frustrations and unpleasantness, maintains composure and friendly demeanor while dealing with stressful situations. flexibility - is open to changing situations and opportunities within the hospital and is willing to perform all tasks as assigned. is available and willing to work all hours required to ensure hospital functions efficiently. willing to assist other area hospitals as needed. independence - able and willing to perform tasks and duties without constant supervision. education and/or experience high school graduate or equivalent. associate or bachelor degree, veterinary technician certification or licensure or one year of related experience preferred. benefits: pt team members enjoy the following benefits: competitive salary and bonuses 401(k) retirement savings plan employee assistance program basic wellness plans for one pet 20% discount off banfield® veterinary care not covered by wellness plans 15% discount off qualifying merchandise at petsmart superstores waltham pet food rebate program 15% discount off club rates for "rapid results platinum memberships" and above at most bally total fitness clubs ft team members enjoy the following benefits in addition to the benefits listed above: medical, prescription, dental and vision insurance life insurance for team members and dependents health and dependent care flexible spending accounts short and long-term disability insurance accidental death & dismemberment (ad&d) insurance up to 21 days of paid time off per year basic wellness plans for up to three pets we are a drug-free, smoke-free, equal opportunity employer. company policy, federal and state laws forbid discrimination because of age, color, race, religion, sex, disability, sexual orientation or national origin

i don't have a problem with banfield in general. in fact i don't know much about them. i just have a problem with the term "pet nurse" when we are/should be considered veterinary technicians. the other problem that i have is that the banfield "pet nurses" do not have to have any training in veterinary technology in order to be considered a "pet nurse" although it is preferred. several years ago the veterinary technician community wanted the change the title to veterinary nurse. the ana told our association (navta) that the terminology was illegal in many states. so i was wondering why banfield can use the term "nurse" and the veterinary community as a whole cannot. seems strange to me. oh and for the record, i prefer to be called a veterinary technician.

fuzzy, cvt

Specializes in Adult SICU; open heart recovery.
I don't think this has anything to do with CNAs etc. saying they are nurses which I truly don't think is as common as people seem to worry about but again its apples and oranges, imo.

While I agree that we need to protect our profession's image I don't see why we would be so concerned about other licensed professionals with comparable education and duties wanting to be called veterinary nurses. I find it hard to believe that people would confuse a "vet nurse" with a "nurse".

I'm not sure I would mind if it was really just the educated and licensed/certified veterinary technicians we were talking about, though I wonder why vet techs wouldn't want to use their hard-earned title. Banfield was not recruiting just the educated veterinary technicians, but just about anyone. I read a long thread about this issue a while back; it seems that vet hospitals are too cheap to pay $15/hr for educated and licensed/certified vet techs, so they'd rather hire someone off the street and give them on the job training, in this case calling them a pet nurse.

My dog gets his health care from the local Banfield. He doesn't seem to be concerned with the title "pet nurse." My dog doesn't actually speak English. But, I am pretty good at "dog" language. When the "pet nurse" enters the exam room, the conversation goes something like this: "Hey, how's it goin?... pant pant, lick lick, wag wag. I like this lady, she has cookies... pant pant lick drool... HEY... wait a minute... HEY! What are you doin?! You're gonna stick that thing where?"....

My dog gets his health care from the local Banfield. He doesn't seem to be concerned with the title "pet nurse." My dog doesn't actually speak English. But, I am pretty good at "dog" language. When the "pet nurse" enters the exam room, the conversation goes something like this: "Hey, how's it goin?... pant pant, lick lick, wag wag. I like this lady, she has cookies... pant pant lick drool... HEY... wait a minute... HEY! What are you doin?! You're gonna stick that thing where?"....

:rotfl:

I'm not sure I would mind if it was really just the educated and licensed/certified veterinary technicians we were talking about, though I wonder why vet techs wouldn't want to use their hard-earned title. Banfield was not recruiting just the educated veterinary technicians, but just about anyone. I read a long thread about this issue a while back; it seems that vet hospitals are too cheap to pay $15/hr for educated and licensed/certified vet techs, so they'd rather hire someone off the street and give them on the job training, in this case calling them a pet nurse.

this is a different point from your most previous post...

which are you concerned about?

joe schmo that is not a CVT calling himself a pet nurse...

or a CVT calling himself a pet nurse...

the public is not confused...when I enter a (human) patient's room, that pt is likely not wondering if I am a CVT...

and my wife, who is a CVT, in a vet's office, does not confuse the pet owners either...

this hits home w/ me as the AZ BON actually wrote a cease and decist letter to her vet's office, as they were using the title "vet nurse"

please, AZ BON, get a real problem to solve

While I have answered several discussions over the years this is my first thread. My question involves the use of the term "nurse". I thought that the term was protected by law in most states. My understanding was that only people who were RN's or LPN's could use the title nurse. Am I wrong?

I don't have a problem with Banfield in general. In fact I don't know much about them. I just have a problem with the term "pet nurse" when we are/should be considered veterinary technicians. The other problem that I have is that the Banfield "Pet Nurses" do not have to have any training in veterinary technology in order to be considered a "Pet Nurse" although it is preferred. Several years ago the veterinary technician community wanted the change the title to veterinary nurse. The ANA told our association (NAVTA) that the terminology was illegal in many states. So I was wondering why Banfield can use the term "nurse" and the veterinary community as a whole cannot. Seems strange to me. Oh and for the record, I prefer to be called a veterinary technician.

Fuzzy, CVT

OMG, you're kidding, right? lol

http://www.bartleby.com/61/62/N0196200.html

definition # 1 does not imply a human is on the receiving end of the care given

(BTW, #2 states it's a woman giving the care...guys, rise up and revolt)

I didn't see any reference to having a degree or license, but they sure do want a lot from their vet techs, don't they?

Have an RN friend who used to be pet tech. She loved it but she said the pay was terrible.

Specializes in ORTHOPAEDICS-CERTIFIED SINCE 89.

There is only one use of the title NURSE. That is a licensed caregiver to HUMANS. And Larry I'll email you 5 minutes if you feel you wasted your time reading.

I emailed the ANA, I'll put it here if anyone would like to C&P their own.

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I've always thought that the title NURSE is a protected title to be used

only by graduates of licensed schools of nursing. In addition the term

NURSE is used for Human care givers.

There is a corporation of Veterinary Hospitals called Banfield

http://www.banfield.net/careers/other_positions.asp

They is advertising for the positions of Pet Nurse. This seems wrong to me.

And I thought that the ANA would see it that way too. You have such a

strong presence in the health care world I hope you can do your magic on

these people. I want NURSE to mean NURSE!

Specializes in ICU, Oncology.

If you all notice throughout the description, Banfield calls it a "PetNurse" --all one word. I have dealt with this a lot in my career (in marketing) --you can get away with quite a bit legally if you combine words in the right way. You will notice that Banfield never mentions the term "NURSE" by itself. Regardless, I don't feel that the title is misrepresentative --no one is going to think the vet tech is a "people nurse."

There is only one use of the title NURSE. That is a licensed caregiver to HUMANS. And Larry I'll email you 5 minutes if you feel you wasted your time reading.

I emailed the ANA, I'll put it here if anyone would like to C&P their own.

Specializes in ER.

In my state "nurse" is a free for all, but the term "registered nurse" is protected.

My dog gets his health care from the local Banfield. He doesn't seem to be concerned with the title "pet nurse." My dog doesn't actually speak English. But, I am pretty good at "dog" language. When the "pet nurse" enters the exam room, the conversation goes something like this: "Hey, how's it goin?... pant pant, lick lick, wag wag. I like this lady, she has cookies... pant pant lick drool... HEY... wait a minute... HEY! What are you doin?! You're gonna stick that thing where?"....

Since you're so good at understanding "dog language", ask your dog if he wants to be anesthetized by someone with just a high school education and a year's of experience somewhere. Most anesthetic procedures in veterinary hospitals are done by the veterinary technician or in Banfield's the "Petnurse" who has a high school education. Ask him the same when he has his dental done by the "Petnurse". How about his over all care should he become ill and have to be hospitalized. Since you are so good at dog language ask him these things. I'll bet that he would think differently if he were educated to the fact that there is more to being a veterinary technician aka "Petnurse" than just sticking a thermometer up the a$$.

I wouldn't have a problem with the "Petnurse" terminalogy if the ANA hadn't shot it down when it was proposed several years ago that veterinary technicians be designated as veterinary nurses. I also wouldn't have a problem if Banfield required a little more education than a high school diploma and a year's experience somewhere. Heck a CNA has to have more education than a "Petnurse".

Fuzzy

Since you're so good at understanding "dog language", ask your dog if he wants to be anesthetized by someone with just a high school education and a year's of experience somewhere. Most anesthetic procedures in veterinary hospitals are done by the veterinary technician or in Banfield's the "Petnurse" who has a high school education. Ask him the same when he has his dental done by the "Petnurse". How about his over all care should he become ill and have to be hospitalized. Since you are so good at dog language ask him these things. I'll bet that he would think differently if he were educated to the fact that there is more to being a veterinary technician aka "Petnurse" than just sticking a thermometer up the a$$.

I wouldn't have a problem with the "Petnurse" terminalogy if the ANA hadn't shot it down when it was proposed several years ago that veterinary technicians be designated as veterinary nurses. I also wouldn't have a problem if Banfield required a little more education than a high school diploma and a year's experience somewhere. Heck a CNA has to have more education than a "Petnurse".

Fuzzy

The fact that a vet tech / pet nurse or whatever can have "little more than a high school diploma" doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing. I work in an emergency animal hospital as a receptionist. The BEST techs we have are the high school graduates who started out cleaning kennels and slowly moved up over the years. The "educated" techs often seem pretty clueless in comparison although they often seem to THINK they know it all.

The tech programs around here seem to be geared towards preparing techs to work in animal research. Two of the girls in school to be vet techs told me they breed rats/mice at school just to practice cervical dislocation on. I guess you have to be skilled at killing the lab rats when you're done with them? There is no use for that kind of skill when working with companion animals. Anything you do need to know can be taught to you by the doctor or the more experienced techs. No one jumps in and does it all. They all start with the easy, most basic tasks and work up to the more complex ones. Our techs, along with the rest of the staff are also trained with videos, books, etc, and everyone gets tested and evaluated on their knowledge and skills. Our top techs are sent packing to continuing education seminars along with our doctors.

"Educated" techs can become very good techs, by the way, but not until AFTER they've worked for as many years as the uneducated ones. If you really want to work as a tech in an animal hospital, you're better off with experience. Vet tech pay doesn't pay enough to invest so much money in school, either.

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