Opinion about autism

Nurses General Nursing

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Is it possible that autism and vaccines are linked?

Specializes in Public Health, DEI.

Sorry, but wikipedia entries can be written by anyone. I'd like to see a reliable definition of syndrome that mentions unknown etiology being a defining criteria. True enough, the names are often assigned because the cause isn't known, but that doesn't mean that once the cause is found it stops being a syndrome. And how is it possible that fetal alcohol syndrome was named before in utero exposure to alcohol was the culprit?

Does hopeful refer to your entry into nursing school? That's the only explanation I can think of for why you would believe that all syndromes are of unknown etiology.

I'm still interested in learning more about this significant debate into whether autism is an illness or a DD.

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Specializes in Acute Care Psych, DNP Student.
I I feel the same way about aspartame...if aspartame caused cancer, then diabetics, which consume more aspartame than the average individual, you would see a pronounced spike in cancer rates, and there hasn't been a shred of evidence to support that.....

....I say as I drink my Diet Coke :)

Actually...

http://diabetes.webmd.com/news/20060925/diabetes-may-raise-cancer-risk

http://www.womenfitness.net/news/cancer/ch_high_glucose.htm

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Specializes in EC, IMU, LTAC.

Does hopeful refer to your entry into nursing school? That's the only explanation I can think of for why you would believe that all syndromes are of unknown etiology.

I think that you're starting to get a bit personal and sensitive here. Is there a reason why you're getting so angry and petty over a debate? If you wish to show her the truths (I'd like to see resources from you as well), why not inform her rather than make snippy retorts? She's not being rude to you.

Look, none of us know what causes autism. Until then, many hypotheses are as possible as the next. As I remember, Jonas Salk and Ingaz Semmelweiss were ridiculed for their theories until proven otherwise.

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Specializes in Public Health, DEI.
I think that you're starting to get a bit personal and sensitive here. Is there a reason why you're getting so angry and petty over a debate? If you wish to show her the truths (I'd like to see resources from you as well), why not inform her rather than make snippy retorts? She's not being rude to you.

Look, none of us know what causes autism. Until then, many hypotheses are valid. As I remember, Jonas Salk and Ingaz Semmelweiss were ridiculed for their theories until proven otherwise.

I think you are entitled to your opinion of me, but you know when I said ''autism is a developmental disorder'' and ''syndromes can have known etiologies''? That was information which I was offering. It is just your opinion that it was petty.

Thank you for your kind and thoughtful commentary, though.

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Specializes in Acute Care Psych, DNP Student.
Vaccinations are not without risks...none of them are. The risk factor may only be 1%, but unfortunately, there are some infants, like yourself, that end up being that 1%.

Some infants die just from being put under anesthesia, but the surgeries, when necessary, go on and there isn't a huge movement to never put babies under anesthesia when neccessary.

I said I didn't know if vaccines caused my problem as an infant.

Also, your comparison of anesthesia risks to immunizations is spurious and nonsensical. Those in anesthesia generally know why bad outcomes happen due to anesthesia. They have protocols based upon this. In addition, surgery is done for significant conditions We don't know exactly why roughly 1 in 133 children are developing autism. The shots? I don't know. I'm not arguing against immunizations. I am arguing against black and white thinking.

It also strikes me as strangely flippant. "Like, one of the 1%? Oh well." I think we can do better.

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I said I didn't know if vaccines caused my problem as an infant.

Also, your comparison of anesthesia risks to immunizations is spurious and nonsensical. Those in anesthesia generally know why bad outcomes happen due to anesthesia. They have protocols based upon this. In addition, surgery is done for significant conditions We don't know exactly why roughly 1 in 133 children are developing autism. The shots? I don't know. I'm not arguing against immunizations. I am arguing against black and white thinking.

It also strikes me as strangely flippant. "Like, one of the 1%? Oh well." I think we can do better.

I don't think that my post minimized in any way, those that fall ill from vaccinations, nor did I say that you were against vaccinations.

I am not going to post to this thread anymore, as a general, friendly debate about opinions of autism has turned into personal attacks, and I am making the choice not to engage.

Everyone have a great night.

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Specializes in Acute Care Psych, DNP Student.
I don't think that my post minimized in any way, those that fall ill from vaccinations, nor did I say that you were against vaccinations.

I am not going to post to this thread anymore, as a general, friendly debate about opinions of autism has turned into personal attacks, and I am making the choice not to engage.

Everyone have a great night.

I don't believe I have personally attacked you. I was addressing the subjects you posted.

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I believe strongly that my son's first round of immunizations were the cause of his autism. I can't prove it because of the early age at which the immunization took place. At 3 months old, babies do basically nothing. The cry, they eat, they poop, they smile...and then do that all over again. Being able to detect an adverse effect of this type on a baby at that age is virtually impossible, and that's part of the problem with seeing the correlation. That's lucky for the drug companies...unlucky for those of us who have to deal with the fallout.

My baby babbled at that age though, which he wasn't supposed to do according to the "What To Expect..." book. We would have 'conversations' where we would babble back and forth. Then one day he got his immunization, slept for two days, and we never had our conversations again. When I babbled at him, he just stared at me...and never replied in return. I panicked and thought about calling the doctor, but according to the book, he wasn't even supposed to be babbling yet. I brushed it off and figured the doctor would say I was nuts. In hindsight, I'm convinced that if I hadn't held him down for those FIVE different shots given all at the same time, which included a KNOWN neurological poison, my son would not have the symptoms he exhibits today.

That is, I believe, why there is a 'spectrum' of severity. If this were like any other disease or disorder, you would see basically the same symptoms and generally the same severity. But you don't. My son is nothing like the more severe cases you see on t.v., but he definitely has the symptoms of what they are calling autism.

Last time I contacted the FDA for the information, they told me they have never conducted tests on the efficacy of giving those multiple injections at such an early age.

I could go on and on but...There may be various reasons why the immunizatons my child had affected him the way they did...But I wish to God I had waited until he was older and I wish to God I had given him the vaccines in separate doses.

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Specializes in EC, IMU, LTAC.

^What was the neurological poison?

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Specializes in Acute Care Psych, DNP Student.
^What was the neurological poison?

Thimerisol (mercury) contained in the shots is a known neurotoxin. Where experts argue is the dose necessary for harm.

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Autism hits home with many members here, clearly, and the discussion about what may or may not be a direct link or cause is one rife with controversy. I just ask we keep the focus on the topic itself and refrain from making it personal with each other. Thanks.

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Ain't it funny how all of the research that has concluded that thirmosal does not cause autism was funded and researched either directly or indirectly by the drug companies who made those vaccines.

These guys knew years ago that the thirmosal in the vaccines could cause autism in kids who are genetically susceptible. These kids don't filter toxins out of their systems like other people do because of a chromosomal abnormality. The mercury in the vaccines is just too much for these special kids.

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