Nursing Shortage!! It's real and it bites (new grads, can't find a job? Read this post!) - page 7
I had no idea, when I took a job as a nurse manager of an inpatient unit at a rural hospital that's 4 hours away from the nearest large city, that a huge portion of my job stress would come from the... Read More
Feb 13Quote from kloneI visited the ONA website and checked out the new grad wages of five coastal community hospitals. The wages looked as good or better than the new grad wages in my desert SW community.... the hospital wages are within a couple dollars/hour of larger hospitals in the state. If you go to the union's website, it lists all the contracts they have with the various facilities and it lists the pay ladder.
The two communities I researched on realty websites seemed to have some single family homes for under $150,000. They were fixer-uppers, but I like them like that.
I haven't started nursing school, but from what I've read, safe patient ratios seem like a real bonus!
Feb 14Quote from kloneLet me re-phrase. There are places with too few nurses. but over all, there are many unemployed or underemployed nurses in America. If there were better advertising, higher pay, better benefits, some of the un or under group would take jobs in areas that might not be their first choice of workplaces.Yes, in many places there IS a nursing shortage. And frankly, it pisses me off that people say otherwise. Until you've been to these communities, you have no idea. You can believe whatever you want, but that doesn't make it so.
Hospital that employs 400 nurses. Not to mention the SNFs, home health agencies, community health departments, clinics, hospices, and other various places that employ nurses. Local community college graduates 30 nurses a year. No other nursing schools in a 2-hour radius. You do the math.
Feb 14I guess I'm still jaded from seeing the last "nursing shortage" turn into a glut very, very quickly. I graduated in 2008, just before the economy crashed. Suddenly, no one was hiring nurses, especially new grads. Oddly enough, many of those same facilities are now claiming they can't find experienced nurses. Funny how that happens.
Feb 14Quote from kloneI've seen (sparse) ads for LVNs hiring in L&D. Granted it was here in TX but it was for actual L&D. If they did team nursing I don't see why LVNs couldn't be hired in L&D. LVNs could practice according to their scope & then the RN picks up what the LVN can't do.Because there are even fewer LPNs ("LVN" is only in CA and TX, all other states have LPNs) in the community than RNs. There is no LPN program within hours of where we live.
Also, from the standpoint of practicality - LPNs can't work in L&D.
Feb 14Quote from OrganizedChaosMost hospital insurance carriers forbid it. It's not that we don't want to. It's that we CAN'T.I've seen (sparse) ads for LVNs hiring in L&D. Granted it was here in TX but it was for actual L&D. If they did team nursing I don't see why LVNs couldn't be hired in L&D. LVNs could practice according to their scope & then the RN picks up what the LVN can't do.
I recently interviewed for a similar hospital, which was 1.5 hours away from me in an area that literally has nothing to do except hiking and outdoors stuff. There are no stores, just nothing. You would have to drive at least 45+ minutes to get to an area that is more livable, so of course I didn't take the job because of the drive and no desire to live there.
I really think this hospital, like yours, may be able to recruit and retain nurses if they offered some sort of bus or shuttle, although I know it would be expensive, not as expensive as constantly loosing nurses though. An alternative would be to offer a moving incentive. The area where they hospital is in does have a nice little down town area, but again that is it. The house prices up there are absolutely insane and not affordable unless you are working as a physician, which is also a turn off.
Anyway my point is, is that your hospital needs to come up with ways to attract nurses to your hospital with some creative ideas. I think sometimes the people who build these hospital don't think about the big picture. This hospital was build in the early 90s and had they built is maybe 30 minutes south of where it is it would have been a lot easier to recruit people because it would be much closer to civilization!
Feb 14As someone who eventually wants to move to Oregon and doesn't care about big cities I would also love to know whereabouts your hospital is located.
Feb 14I have been working as an LPN for over 42 years and in all the different places I have worked it has been the same. Not enough nurses and in most cases the administration was doing nothing about it. All they cared about was that there was a body there for their numbers. But one thing I always remembered was my instructor saying. You don't become a nurse to have fun or become rich you do it because you love it. Even though I have retired I'm still doing nursing part time. I don't want to quit because I love it. In all the different places I have worked I always found friends and love from my patients. That's what counts.Last edit by flowerlady53 on Feb 14
I would LOVE to relocate. Sorry i cant PM you as i dont have enough posts. I dont have L&D experience but its a specialty i always wanted to work in. Im a fast learner & if your hospital is willing to train or precept i would love to relocate! Can you PM me more info?
Feb 14Do you think your hospital could think about investing in building nurse's accommodation? I'm a British trained nurse and i've known several of my friends go off to Australia to work for a couple of years - some haven't come back! Like you, they also have terrible problems recruiting nurses to rural areas. Nurses working in remote areas in Australia get their travel expenses, accommodation, meals and incidental expenses paid. There are other financial incentives available, like better hourly rates, tax breaks and good on-call rates due to the nature of the job. (From: Remote Area Nursing - HealthTimes)
It might not be useful but I thought it might be interesting for you to see how another system addresses the same problem. And also to add to swaying the hospital executives into the long term investment of your staff.
Maybe the other thing you could do is think about offering a rotational program for newly qualified nurses to experience different areas of care and gain experience. Accept the fact that most will move on but utilise the fact that you can give them experience! I see so many posts on here about how someone or other wants to get a job but lacks the experience as a new graduate.
Now if only I had my US nursing license (which i'm working on) and I wasn't working in Nursing informatics... Because you had me at Rainforest and being from London, I'm pretty used to rain...
Feb 16Yes, something needs to be done about the way new grads are handled. Just because a nurse doesn't have BSN after their name does not mean that they aren't valuable.
Many ASN nurses can find jobs in Minnesota. They can work in the hospitals, clinics, long term care and home health.
The older nurses need to take these newbies under their wings and nurture them, help them to fly. One day, we older nurses will need them.
We will probably always hear about the Nursing shortage. I remember once back in 1990, at my school for L.P.N. (previous), that "they are getting rid of the L.P.N.s and only hiring R.N.s" I don't think so. L.P.N.s are strong here and well in force. If my life hadn't changed, I still be one!
I am also new to this forum and cannot private message you to find out about the opportunities you have available; however, I am very interested. If you could also PM me concerning your location, it would be much appreciated. :-)