Nurses are Pathetic!! - page 20
I have been reading thread after thread on this forum and I have come to one conclusion. We are all a pathetic bunch. We take abuse that most other human beings would not put up with. We are... Read More
Mar 21, '07Quote from anastasia niemiIs it really helpful to lorstar to tell her she should go shop at Kmart while you're living on "Knob Hill?" I'd quit in a heartbeat too if I lived there. Being a widow for 16 years, I don't have a husband to bring in another paycheck. I take care of myself, my dog, my two cats and am raising my grandson. I don't have any new DVD's or CD's and I do shop at Target and Kmart...and I don't put down the people who shop there. You're assuming she's never been poor and ought to live on less...you don't know her situation. She was talking about work, not money. She does it for the money because why? She needs a new ball gown for the country club or she's putting food on the table...which is it? We don't know.In response to Merrymary I did not tell the nurse who wrote Nurses are Pathetic to "suck it up". I told her to either do something - by bringing it to the attention of an upper management person - or to work on getting into another aspect of nursing.
Do you truly believe that upper management would find a hostile working environment acceptable? First and foremost-it is a lawsuit waiting to happen. We have semi annual seminars on unacceptable behavior and treatment - why?
Because our facility recognized after having staff fill out surveys that asked how we felt our facility was doing-how we felt we were treated by coworkers, how we felt about our work environment (it was over 100 questions long-and left lots of room for written venting and was anonymous) that a lot of staff felt mistreated, unappreciated, etc. The first survey was done over 10 yrs ago and painted a negative work environment picture. Our last survey had over 80 percent (which included all of our sister hospitals) satisfaction with our working environment.
Our administrators drag their butts out of bed at midnight to come around and talk to staff. They ask us what areas we feel need improvement - are implemented policy changes working? We are encouraged to talk - to seek improvement - to identify areas that are lacking. Our turnover rate in staff is not nearly what it was when I started as a new grad.
For all of us who told the original poster to seek a different area in her profession to pursue - I am sure we all realize that you make a heck of a lot more nursing than you do at Super One. Personally, I have been poor, broke and happy - where we went fishing for pan fist (which aren't that great) because we had nothing else to eat. I've lived off of $8.00 a day - after paying bills and buying diapers and clothes for my children.
I've lived classified as poor, middle and upper classed. I have friends who live classified in all 3 categories. I've been happy in all 3 categories. I am no more or less happy today-living on "KNOB HILL" than I was living in a 2 bedroom home with my 3 kids, husband, cat and dog. I drive past that tiny house and smile because it is filled with happy memories. If I had to move back into that house today I would be just as content as I am now.
New cars, New houses - it's just materialistic crap. You can live off of a lesser salary. It's an option to anybody. It's just a matter of whether or not you are materialistic. Do you need to have every brand new DVD, do your kids have to shop at the mall vs KMART?
I became a nurse after my daughter died. I needed an outlet for the place in my heart that was reserved especially for her. Nursing has allowed me that. If I came to the realization tomorrow that I hated my job, and that my coworkers or patients were really starting to drag me down - I'd quit in a heartbeat. You can't be a nurse just because of the paycheck-those who are will burn out a heck of a lot faster than those of us who chose it because we wanted to make a difference in somebody's life.
Yes you can make a difference in someone's life and it's great that you want to do that...but it's not for everyone and you can't always know that ahead of time. Lorstar needs understanding and encouragement...not platitudes. Couldn't anyone hear the pain in her 'voice?'
Mar 21, '07Quote from merrymaryI think that CNA's who are only allowed to change briefs, get people in and out of bed, and feed them are highly underused and underappreciated. I've worked where they're allowed to do PT/INR's, and straight cath patients. I'd like to see them licensed so they're responsible for their own behaviour instead of the nurse also getting into trouble if the aides are 'negligent'. But meds...NO! Years ago I was told that one day there won't be any LPN's. I don't know how soon that will happen, but I think we're on the road.Being told to suck it up is just not okay!!!!! The manager is being told that from her boss too. So what is the answer? Someone has to listen or it's going to get worse. Aides are being given more and more responsibility. In Ohio they can admin gt meds in the home, po meds in nursing homes and aren't liable, they don't have a license to go after. And they're saving corporate a ton of money....
Mar 21, '07Quote from JentheRN05WoW I am not here for a few days and the proverbial S@!T hits the fan.
I can honestly say I felt like Lorster about 9 months out of school. Literally just like Lorster. By 1 year I was working for about the same pay as a secretary at most places because I quit the hospital and took an office job. Needless to say, office pay just doesn't pay the bills (but the stress is less - at least is was for me). BUT look at me now. I have a job where I take care of 3 little old ladies in my hometown (HIPAA doesn't apply there) I could walk to work (mind you I live at least 1 hour from the largest city - where I burned some pretty big bridges). Last week, this job said "you can work no more than 5 hours a week - that's what the board says" Okay, so guess what. Now I'm looking at traveling getting back into the very same atmosphere that drove me out of the hospital in the first place.For what you ask? Money. I love taking care of people, I love being a nurse. I'm proud to call myself RN, and am in the process of trying to get my BSN and hopefully in the end my FNP. Why would I put myself through all this schooling for the crap you put up with? Because in the end, when I can sign FNP behind my name I will be the one that the nurses answer to.
When I left the hospital I was still a 'new' grad - I practically eliminated all options of working in that particular 1 hospital town where all the doctors work through the hospital or their rival. But the conditions I was working in sucked. I was a nervous wreak. Every single day before I had to go to work I was violently ill. Not to mention the entire (yes literally) ENTIRE time I was working in the hospital I was sick. I HAD to work sick, because if I was to take off because I was sick well, I may as well not have been working. My stress level was so high and out of control that I would break down in tears getting report knowing I'd have to go out on the floor and take care of patients who deserved more than I could give because my workload was so heavy. Cry because I am exhausted giving my all and it never being enough, and cry because of back stabbing nurses who are stupid enough to outright lie about me and say I didn't do something for a patient (which lead to a reprimand on false pretenses) and because of that incident I quit right then, right there. Whoever told that lie was likely working that night and had to take on my load because I left. Period.
So Lorster, I know how you feel. I also feel that when I work as a nurse, my life revolves around that patient for the few minutes that I get to see them. They are my focus. But here I sit, looking for another job. *so much for standing up for myself* sure I got out of those conditions, but look what it has gotten me. I can honestly say though that since I haven't had a decent paying job I have hit a serious depression. One I can't seem to break free of. I don't know what else to say. I don't even know if this made sense. I hope some nurses out there have it better, and some day I hope to have it better too.
This sounds a bit like what we are all talking about. I don't "answer" to FNP's just because they have that behind their name and if it is having nurses answer to you- maybe you should look at a nurse manager position. We are called a health care team, MD's, FNP's, RN's, OT's, PT's - one is not superior over the other.
Mar 21, '07Hey Raven,
"Knob Hill" is what I call where we live. As in Door Knobs and Dumbbells.
I have never gone to a formal ball, I do not belong to a country club. I have friends who come from all walks of life. I was simply stating that you can change what you do with your career-it is possible to be poor and happy. Mental sanity is worth a hell of a lot more than materialistic things.
If you read my earlier entry - I do empathise. But if you understand why a nurse overdosed a patient intentionally - you need to get a different job. I would not want someone who empathizes with Nurse Kevorkian taking care of anybody from my family. I started out as a single mother living off of welfare - and I'd go back to it today if I had masochistic thoughts or empathized with masochistic tendencies.
Mar 21, '07[font="comic sans ms"]i think at one time or another, we have all felt frustration and anger in and about our jobs. the original poster was evidently frustrated and angry. when i posted my first entry, i empathized. i work with some of the most horrible people, but also with some of the nicest people. i don't go to work for my co-workers. i go for the patients. i also need the money, but that is irrelevant right now.
i agree with whomever said we don't know lorster's situation. we don't know anyone's situation unless they have chosen to share it with us or unless we are with them all the time. i would no more presume that one of my colleagues is burned out than i would presume anything else about him/her.
another poster mentioned lorster needed our understanding and empathy or support or something like that. we do need to empathize and support one another. if we don't, no one else is going to.
nurses are in an incredibly stressful position. we hold people's lives in our hands daily, sometimes hourly, sometimes by the second. this isn't an easy place to be. the only other people that are in our position are in the medical field.
empathize, understand and definitely support each other. we are all we have. the sad fact of the matter is we, as a group, don't do this for one another. this is why i can empathize with lorster and with the other posters who expressed their discontent with their jobs, employers and colleagues. i have been in a similar place as lorster and it isn't pretty.
the one thing i can say is i am sorry for any of us who feel there is no where else we can go but nursing. i am also sorry for those who feel nursing is no longer a choice for them. i love being a nurse. i love interacting with the patients and their families. i don't know what else i would or could do if i wasn't a nurse.
take heart, my fellow nurses. i respect what you do and why you do it. whether you are in nursing for the money or because you really like it, do what you need to do for yourselves and your families. i will do my best to support, understand and empathize with all of you, please afford me the same courtesy and extend it to your other colleagues and yourselves.
please remember this is a place to vent our anger, frustrations, problems, questions, and anything happy we want to share. if we can't vent or share our feelings at work, where are we to go if not here?
Mar 21, '07we do need to empathize and support one another. if we don't, no one else is going to.
Mar 21, '07Quote from carlarnyup, and sometimes we are the worst at taking our own advice. support each other is something we are not really good at.we do need to empathize and support one another. if we don't, no one else is going to.
Mar 21, '07I was reading "Nursing Against the Odds" the other day and came across one of those anecdotal horror stories about a doctor abusing a nurse. The doc, a surgeon, grabbed the nurse's wrist and forcefully shook it trying to make her let go of an instrument. The nurse suffered tendon damage in her wrist. She took the issue through the proper channels and steps were taken against the physician. Whether those steps were significant enough is another discussion.
The author of the book said that the many nurses at this hospital including nurse managers on the hospital's board had known of this docs continually bad behavior yet they all behaved like women "suffering from battered women's syndrome".
After reading this story to my soon to be 15 year old son, I asked him what the nurse should have done. My son presented some "conflict resolution" ideas including taking the incident to superiors, etc. When I asked my son "What would you have done?" he promptly responded "Oh! I'm a MAN! I would have knocked his @ss out!!!"
Is the continuing abuse of nurses and their willingness to continue to suffer abuse rooted in the fact that nurses are predominantly women? Never mind the nature/nurture argument for now. If practicing nurses were 75% men and 25% women like the current demographic makeup of physicians would there be all this abuse and "taking it on the chin" that's going on.
If nursing was a predominantly male profession with the current nature and socialization that men and women have in our society, would nurses experience they amount of abuse the currently do WITHOUT FIGHTING BACK?
Mar 21, '07We DO need to empathize and support one another. If we don't, no one else is going to.
Mar 21, '07I'm the same way as teeituptom...........and I'm a girl.:stone
Being female doesn't automatically mean one is weak and subject to abuse.
'Nuff said.Last edit by VivaLasViejas on Mar 21, '07
Mar 21, '07Well...
when i was joined to nursing field , ifelt that we are the most merciful among all humanity but day per day i start to see that SOME nurses are upset (being psychopath) due to excess work and frightful views , so must of them they are losing their principles and some of their sense :trout: .
I DO agree with u from one side .................:trout:
Mar 21, '07i wish i had found this site earlier. i do agree with the op in many ways and could no longer take hospital nursing long-term. too much stress while raising a family. best way to do hospital nursing if you are burned out in one place is to float imho.
i am now in an outpatient setting. still has its problems, though.
i do love and respect most of the opinions that have been posted here and can hardly see after reading this whole thread.
my humble opinions:
-nursing/healthcare needs to change and will not unless we stand up together and change it.
-men do seem to do a better job as a whole at standing up for themselves.
-nurses are how they make the most profit and, in general how they cut their corners making profits for the ceo's and the stockholders. healthcare is a cash cow, especially as our populations age and it is no longer run by non-for-profits.
as long as the monetary benefits outweigh the risks they take in staffing, etc. they will keep getting rich off of our loyalty to the profession and our patients.
this makes me sad. shouldn't be this way.