Nurses are Pathetic!!

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I have been reading thread after thread on this forum and I have come to one conclusion. We are all a pathetic bunch. We take abuse that most other human beings would not put up with. We are physically, mentally and emotionally abused by doctors, managers, patients, and families. We work ungodly hours, skip our much needed breaks without pay for months and years on end. And this goes on and on and on. The stories are endless. Then we are all shocked when a nurse who has had enough finally cracks and administers 32 vials of Dilantin and kills a patient. Is this so different than any other human being who finally after years and years of this abuse, just cannot take it anymore? I think not. When are we all going to stand up and demand decent pay, decent working conditions, and respect? Well, the answer is never because we are not a solid group. We have no autonomy or solidarity because we are a weak profession. We pit one against another. We ***** and backstab. We deserve all the abuse that is dealt to us. In nursing school, we are taught to make beds, empty bedpans and clean dentures. Instead we should get vast lessons in how to deal with some of the real issues that face us today. We are understaffed, overworked, pushed to the breaking point. But yet, the martyr instinct kicks in, we get up and go back and endure more of the same. When is enough, enough? When are we all going to come together and and start shouting about our working conditions and wages? We make less than a crew on road construction or a plumber. And look what we do. We are responsible for peoples lives. I went to work down the road as my current employer is union and I felt that maybe the non union hospital down the road would be a better place. Well, it is not, it is worse. 13 nurses have quit in the 6 weeks I have worked there. I won't renew my contract. It is just too unsafe. The hospital is all about profit at the expense of some great nurses. They even charge for an individual bandaid. It is ridiculous. I have decided that as soon as I can afford to, I'm getting out. I will no longer be a member of a profession that eats its young while at the same time, taking unwarrented abuse from unapreciative doctors that we bend over backwards for. Its not about making a living any more, it is about retaining some self respect, free of abuse by doctors, managers and other nurses who have nothing better to do than put a knife in your back the minute you turn around. At least at walmart I won't have to worry about making a life threatening mistake because I'm overwhelmed by what is required of me each day.

Specializes in Peds,, Home Health, some geriatrics.

I think there are really good things being said here. If we take care of ourselves and each other it will help the patient. And isn't the patient why we all went into nursing. So how do we stand up in a healthy professional way to corporate american and the almighty $.?

Specializes in med/surg oncolgy.

It was brought to the attention of our Clinical manager that many of the nurses on our floor are concerned that with our patient load and other reponsibilities on the floor( ex. checking and charting all refrigerator temps on floor) we may be endangering our patients and are scared we may not be able to deliver safe care. Manager's response, "Suck it up".

Wow! I am so sorry to hear you honestly believe this about your profession - do you think that maybe this is related more to your work environment? I've worked as a charge nurse who takes patients for 10 yrs - and I can assure you I have had days where I left with a migraine, tears in my eyes, or took 35 minutes to drive home when it's a 55 minute drive. I have purposely skunked myself with cruddy assignments because the assignment would have traumatized new grads - or my other coworkers would have had to put in 2 hours overtime to complete it. In these cases I am my own worst enemy.

Why do I go back day after day and year after year? Because my coworkers are my extended family. My patients are my extended family. I honestly care about them and provide them with the care that I would want my husband and children to receive. I've taken care of people who are prejudiced against Native Americans ( when my nephew is proud to be 1/2 Native American ), I have taken care of people who are angry and bitter about being sick and have vented their anger out on me. But I listen as they vent, I try not to take it to heart, I offer compassion, support, skilled care and empathy.

I have taken care of patients that other nurses refuse or beg not to be assigned to. More often than not, by my next shift with them we've developed a good relationship - they realize that I am there and have their best interest at heart. We all get our "frequent flyers" - those patients who are in and out of the hospital every few weeks. Many of them request me - after our initial meeting ending with me having a puking migraine at the end of the day.

Coworkers: doctors, cna's, administration, nurses, NP's, PA's are all human. Will you overhear them complaining. Sure. Health care is not a proffession that is 9-5. It's 24 hrs. If you can't vent at work then you bring more emotional garbage home to your family. I have always stood out as a patient and staff advocate. My annual review will be glowing, with the exception of "blunt, to the point, curt." Meaning? When I see or hear someone - and it doesn't matter what their title is - reducing a fellow staff member to tears, eating our young, purposely letting a staff member drown, demeaning someone who functions with a lesser title, I stand up and call it what it is. Bulls---! I have the reputation of not taking any garbage and not allowing anyone else do dish it out.

I find an environment for those involved to work it through - pulling them away from the nurses station audience or break room audience. I do not tolerate the "eating of our young." I will point out areas of needed improvement to a staff member - work with them to develop a goal and help them to achieve it.

I think you might be working in a hostile working environment - which leaves you with 2 choices. Stand up and address it - to your charge nurse, manager - or even higher if they're promoting the hostile environment. Or look for other things to do with your license. Social work, telephonic triage, telephonic case management, workers comp, hospital case management, disease management, wound ostomy continence nursing, etc. The jobs are out there. The internet is your highway to finding these job opportunities.

I hope that you are having a better day - and that you explore the other career options that are available to you. Because if you understand why a nurse snapped and overdosed her patient - you need to step back and reevaluate your career and mental and physical well being. Would you understand if she overdosed your child?

Specializes in Peds,, Home Health, some geriatrics.

Being told to suck it up is just not okay!!!!! The manager is being told that from her boss too. So what is the answer? Someone has to listen or it's going to get worse. Aides are being given more and more responsibility. In Ohio they can admin gt meds in the home, po meds in nursing homes and aren't liable, they don't have a license to go after. And they're saving corporate a ton of money....

Please don't say/think like that.You sound like the pathetic one!I believe that not all days are wonderful in any profession.Some colleagues can put you really down but don't put it all down to 'nursing'.Nurses are WONDERFUL!!!

In response to Merrymary I did not tell the nurse who wrote Nurses are Pathetic to "suck it up". I told her to either do something - by bringing it to the attention of an upper management person - or to work on getting into another aspect of nursing.

Do you truly believe that upper management would find a hostile working environment acceptable? First and foremost-it is a lawsuit waiting to happen. We have semi annual seminars on unacceptable behavior and treatment - why?

Because our facility recognized after having staff fill out surveys that asked how we felt our facility was doing-how we felt we were treated by coworkers, how we felt about our work environment (it was over 100 questions long-and left lots of room for written venting and was anonymous) that a lot of staff felt mistreated, unappreciated, etc. The first survey was done over 10 yrs ago and painted a negative work environment picture. Our last survey had over 80 percent (which included all of our sister hospitals) satisfaction with our working environment.

Our administrators drag their butts out of bed at midnight to come around and talk to staff. They ask us what areas we feel need improvement - are implemented policy changes working? We are encouraged to talk - to seek improvement - to identify areas that are lacking. Our turnover rate in staff is not nearly what it was when I started as a new grad.

For all of us who told the original poster to seek a different area in her profession to pursue - I am sure we all realize that you make a heck of a lot more nursing than you do at Super One. Personally, I have been poor, broke and happy - where we went fishing for pan fist (which aren't that great) because we had nothing else to eat. I've lived off of $8.00 a day - after paying bills and buying diapers and clothes for my children.

I've lived classified as poor, middle and upper classed. I have friends who live classified in all 3 categories. I've been happy in all 3 categories. I am no more or less happy today-living on "KNOB HILL" than I was living in a 2 bedroom home with my 3 kids, husband, cat and dog. I drive past that tiny house and smile because it is filled with happy memories. If I had to move back into that house today I would be just as content as I am now.

New cars, New houses - it's just materialistic crap. You can live off of a lesser salary. It's an option to anybody. It's just a matter of whether or not you are materialistic. Do you need to have every brand new DVD, do your kids have to shop at the mall vs KMART?

I became a nurse after my daughter died. I needed an outlet for the place in my heart that was reserved especially for her. Nursing has allowed me that. If I came to the realization tomorrow that I hated my job, and that my coworkers or patients were really starting to drag me down - I'd quit in a heartbeat. You can't be a nurse just because of the paycheck-those who are will burn out a heck of a lot faster than those of us who chose it because we wanted to make a difference in somebody's life.

I have been reading thread after thread on this forum and I have come to one conclusion. We are all a pathetic bunch. We take abuse that most other human beings would not put up with. We are physically, mentally and emotionally abused by doctors, managers, patients, and families. We work ungodly hours, skip our much needed breaks without pay for months and years on end. And this goes on and on and on. The stories are endless. Then we are all shocked when a nurse who has had enough finally cracks and administers 32 vials of Dilantin and kills a patient. Is this so different than any other human being who finally after years and years of this abuse, just cannot take it anymore? I think not. When are we all going to stand up and demand decent pay, decent working conditions, and respect? Well, the answer is never because we are not a solid group. We have no autonomy or solidarity because we are a weak profession. We pit one against another. We ***** and backstab. We deserve all the abuse that is dealt to us. In nursing school, we are taught to make beds, empty bedpans and clean dentures. Instead we should get vast lessons in how to deal with some of the real issues that face us today. We are understaffed, overworked, pushed to the breaking point. But yet, the martyr instinct kicks in, we get up and go back and endure more of the same. When is enough, enough? When are we all going to come together and and start shouting about our working conditions and wages? We make less than a crew on road construction or a plumber. And look what we do. We are responsible for peoples lives. I went to work down the road as my current employer is union and I felt that maybe the non union hospital down the road would be a better place. Well, it is not, it is worse. 13 nurses have quit in the 6 weeks I have worked there. I won't renew my contract. It is just too unsafe. The hospital is all about profit at the expense of some great nurses. They even charge for an individual bandaid. It is ridiculous. I have decided that as soon as I can afford to, I'm getting out. I will no longer be a member of a profession that eats its young while at the same time, taking unwarrented abuse from unapreciative doctors that we bend over backwards for. Its not about making a living any more, it is about retaining some self respect, free of abuse by doctors, managers and other nurses who have nothing better to do than put a knife in your back the minute you turn around. At least at walmart I won't have to worry about making a life threatening mistake because I'm overwhelmed by what is required of me each day.

I didn't take your comment about pathetic as much to heart as some folks seem to have done. I felt it was more a comment on how we allow ourselves to be treated. I agree with a lot of what you said, I think the problem is that you said it while angry. In a more calm way, the facts do exist. Doctors and families can be incredibly insulting or down right mean. The problem with a union shop is that we can't walk out or we could lose our licenses for abandonment and if anything bad happens we'll be in trouble for that too. Employers know this and use it to their advantage. I also agree that to overwork a nurse and then come down on her when she makes a mistake is wrong...there are more people than just the nurse to blame, but we are the licensed one and so are responsible. It's why sometimes you just have to tell someone that they have to wait, what you are doing is too important to be interrupted or distracted from. You sound highly stressed and if I may, I'd suggest that as soon as possible, when you get out of this contract, try a different area of nursing until you can get out of it. Maybe home care, where you don't have more than one patient at time. And although I don't care for the entire operation, hospice might get you through the transition. It's a much calmer area of work. Nursing isn't for everyone and for the people who love it...that's fine. I say let them have the job. I don't like it, but I've had to use it to support myself for 13 years, but enough is enough. I'm going as soon as I can.

A couple of weeks ago, I went to work and my name had been wited out on the daily schedule and someone was in my place. Couldn't get any answers, even from the DON,("I'll explain later" which never came.), but another nurse went home sick so I stayed, which was "fine" with the DON. Since I wasn't on the new monthly schedule, I just didn't go back. Grabbed some part time hours at my other job, am using my IRS refund as income instead of my planned vacation, and headed off to real estate school. Then I get a call from the scheduler..."Can you work Tuesday?" Excuse me? Turns out the DON just wanted the new hire to have hours so she could get use to the job and she "never meant to offend me". When I went in, at my convenience, that nurse had quit and they have a couple part timers filling in. Why it wasn't given back to me I don't know, but I wouldn't have taken it anyway. I'm happy to say many patients wanted to know where I'd been and wanted me back, as did the staff. I've never been written up or counseled, so why am I suddenly back to PRN? Just because they can. But I'm staying with the real estate and I will get out of nursing eventually. I don't want to be in a profession like this...how do you treat someone so badly and think it's ok? My nursing school instructor once said that when you work in a 'service' profession, people think less of you in some ways at least, because you have put yourself in a position to 'serve.' It's as if giving of yourself is a bad thing, as some people perceive it. I'm not saying it's my opinion...I enjoy talking to people, not professions.

Hope you can calm down and get through the rest of your time in nursing without any further problems. Start planning what you'll do...it helps with the stress to know that you're on the road out.

In response to Merrymary I did not tell the nurse who wrote Nurses are Pathetic to "suck it up". I told her to either do something - by bringing it to the attention of an upper management person - or to work on getting into another aspect of nursing.

Do you truly believe that upper management would find a hostile working environment acceptable? First and foremost-it is a lawsuit waiting to happen. We have semi annual seminars on unacceptable behavior and treatment - why?

Because our facility recognized after having staff fill out surveys that asked how we felt our facility was doing-how we felt we were treated by coworkers, how we felt about our work environment (it was over 100 questions long-and left lots of room for written venting and was anonymous) that a lot of staff felt mistreated, unappreciated, etc. The first survey was done over 10 yrs ago and painted a negative work environment picture. Our last survey had over 80 percent (which included all of our sister hospitals) satisfaction with our working environment.

Our administrators drag their butts out of bed at midnight to come around and talk to staff. They ask us what areas we feel need improvement - are implemented policy changes working? We are encouraged to talk - to seek improvement - to identify areas that are lacking. Our turnover rate in staff is not nearly what it was when I started as a new grad.

For all of us who told the original poster to seek a different area in her profession to pursue - I am sure we all realize that you make a heck of a lot more nursing than you do at Super One. Personally, I have been poor, broke and happy - where we went fishing for pan fist (which aren't that great) because we had nothing else to eat. I've lived off of $8.00 a day - after paying bills and buying diapers and clothes for my children.

I've lived classified as poor, middle and upper classed. I have friends who live classified in all 3 categories. I've been happy in all 3 categories. I am no more or less happy today-living on "KNOB HILL" than I was living in a 2 bedroom home with my 3 kids, husband, cat and dog. I drive past that tiny house and smile because it is filled with happy memories. If I had to move back into that house today I would be just as content as I am now.

New cars, New houses - it's just materialistic crap. You can live off of a lesser salary. It's an option to anybody. It's just a matter of whether or not you are materialistic. Do you need to have every brand new DVD, do your kids have to shop at the mall vs KMART?

I became a nurse after my daughter died. I needed an outlet for the place in my heart that was reserved especially for her. Nursing has allowed me that. If I came to the realization tomorrow that I hated my job, and that my coworkers or patients were really starting to drag me down - I'd quit in a heartbeat. You can't be a nurse just because of the paycheck-those who are will burn out a heck of a lot faster than those of us who chose it because we wanted to make a difference in somebody's life.

Is it really helpful to lorstar to tell her she should go shop at Kmart while you're living on "Knob Hill?" I'd quit in a heartbeat too if I lived there. Being a widow for 16 years, I don't have a husband to bring in another paycheck. I take care of myself, my dog, my two cats and am raising my grandson. I don't have any new DVD's or CD's and I do shop at Target and Kmart...and I don't put down the people who shop there. You're assuming she's never been poor and ought to live on less...you don't know her situation. She was talking about work, not money. She does it for the money because why? She needs a new ball gown for the country club or she's putting food on the table...which is it? We don't know.

Yes you can make a difference in someone's life and it's great that you want to do that...but it's not for everyone and you can't always know that ahead of time. Lorstar needs understanding and encouragement...not platitudes. Couldn't anyone hear the pain in her 'voice?'

Being told to suck it up is just not okay!!!!! The manager is being told that from her boss too. So what is the answer? Someone has to listen or it's going to get worse. Aides are being given more and more responsibility. In Ohio they can admin gt meds in the home, po meds in nursing homes and aren't liable, they don't have a license to go after. And they're saving corporate a ton of money....

I think that CNA's who are only allowed to change briefs, get people in and out of bed, and feed them are highly underused and underappreciated. I've worked where they're allowed to do PT/INR's, and straight cath patients. I'd like to see them licensed so they're responsible for their own behaviour instead of the nurse also getting into trouble if the aides are 'negligent'. But meds...NO! Years ago I was told that one day there won't be any LPN's. I don't know how soon that will happen, but I think we're on the road.

Specializes in PER,PICU,Flight,SRNA 2008.
WoW I am not here for a few days and the proverbial S@!T hits the fan.

I can honestly say I felt like Lorster about 9 months out of school. Literally just like Lorster. By 1 year I was working for about the same pay as a secretary at most places because I quit the hospital and took an office job. Needless to say, office pay just doesn't pay the bills (but the stress is less - at least is was for me). BUT look at me now. I have a job where I take care of 3 little old ladies in my hometown (HIPAA doesn't apply there) I could walk to work (mind you I live at least 1 hour from the largest city - where I burned some pretty big bridges). Last week, this job said "you can work no more than 5 hours a week - that's what the board says" Okay, so guess what. Now I'm looking at traveling getting back into the very same atmosphere that drove me out of the hospital in the first place.

For what you ask? Money. I love taking care of people, I love being a nurse. I'm proud to call myself RN, and am in the process of trying to get my BSN and hopefully in the end my FNP. Why would I put myself through all this schooling for the crap you put up with? Because in the end, when I can sign FNP behind my name I will be the one that the nurses answer to.
I sit here now, stating I will know what it is like being a hospital nurse, and I WILL treat you with the same respect that you treat me and your patients.

When I left the hospital I was still a 'new' grad - I practically eliminated all options of working in that particular 1 hospital town where all the doctors work through the hospital or their rival. But the conditions I was working in sucked. I was a nervous wreak. Every single day before I had to go to work I was violently ill. Not to mention the entire (yes literally) ENTIRE time I was working in the hospital I was sick. I HAD to work sick, because if I was to take off because I was sick well, I may as well not have been working. My stress level was so high and out of control that I would break down in tears getting report knowing I'd have to go out on the floor and take care of patients who deserved more than I could give because my workload was so heavy. Cry because I am exhausted giving my all and it never being enough, and cry because of back stabbing nurses who are stupid enough to outright lie about me and say I didn't do something for a patient (which lead to a reprimand on false pretenses) and because of that incident I quit right then, right there. Whoever told that lie was likely working that night and had to take on my load because I left. Period.

So Lorster, I know how you feel. I also feel that when I work as a nurse, my life revolves around that patient for the few minutes that I get to see them. They are my focus. But here I sit, looking for another job. *so much for standing up for myself* sure I got out of those conditions, but look what it has gotten me. I can honestly say though that since I haven't had a decent paying job I have hit a serious depression. One I can't seem to break free of. I don't know what else to say. I don't even know if this made sense. I hope some nurses out there have it better, and some day I hope to have it better too.

JentheRN05

This sounds a bit like what we are all talking about. I don't "answer" to FNP's just because they have that behind their name and if it is having nurses answer to you- maybe you should look at a nurse manager position. We are called a health care team, MD's, FNP's, RN's, OT's, PT's - one is not superior over the other.

Hey Raven,

"Knob Hill" is what I call where we live. As in Door Knobs and Dumbbells.

I have never gone to a formal ball, I do not belong to a country club. I have friends who come from all walks of life. I was simply stating that you can change what you do with your career-it is possible to be poor and happy. Mental sanity is worth a hell of a lot more than materialistic things.

If you read my earlier entry - I do empathise. But if you understand why a nurse overdosed a patient intentionally - you need to get a different job. I would not want someone who empathizes with Nurse Kevorkian taking care of anybody from my family. I started out as a single mother living off of welfare - and I'd go back to it today if I had masochistic thoughts or empathized with masochistic tendencies.

Specializes in Emergency.

i think at one time or another, we have all felt frustration and anger in and about our jobs. the original poster was evidently frustrated and angry. when i posted my first entry, i empathized. i work with some of the most horrible people, but also with some of the nicest people. i don't go to work for my co-workers. i go for the patients. i also need the money, but that is irrelevant right now.

i agree with whomever said we don't know lorster's situation. we don't know anyone's situation unless they have chosen to share it with us or unless we are with them all the time. i would no more presume that one of my colleagues is burned out than i would presume anything else about him/her.

another poster mentioned lorster needed our understanding and empathy or support or something like that. we do need to empathize and support one another. if we don't, no one else is going to.

nurses are in an incredibly stressful position. we hold people's lives in our hands daily, sometimes hourly, sometimes by the second. this isn't an easy place to be. the only other people that are in our position are in the medical field.

empathize, understand and definitely support each other. we are all we have. the sad fact of the matter is we, as a group, don't do this for one another. this is why i can empathize with lorster and with the other posters who expressed their discontent with their jobs, employers and colleagues. i have been in a similar place as lorster and it isn't pretty.

the one thing i can say is i am sorry for any of us who feel there is no where else we can go but nursing. i am also sorry for those who feel nursing is no longer a choice for them. i love being a nurse. i love interacting with the patients and their families. i don't know what else i would or could do if i wasn't a nurse.

take heart, my fellow nurses. i respect what you do and why you do it. whether you are in nursing for the money or because you really like it, do what you need to do for yourselves and your families. i will do my best to support, understand and empathize with all of you, please afford me the same courtesy and extend it to your other colleagues and yourselves.

please remember this is a place to vent our anger, frustrations, problems, questions, and anything happy we want to share. if we can't vent or share our feelings at work, where are we to go if not here?

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