New nurses wanted. - page 3

I have just read a post in a Nursing Specialties forum on Staff Development that makes reference to the need to recognize and nurture new nurses because the nursing-eat-their-young attitude is so... Read More

  1. by   nurseprnRN
    Quote from Alisonisayoshi
    ... how disrespectful it is to be judgmental.
    Judgmental is not a four-letter word. Anyone is entitled to be judgmental of anything or anyone, for any reason that enters that little head.

    However, if you mouth off without being able to substantiate your claims, or you say something egregious like "I know all there is to know because I've been at it for five whole months," then your judgment may be, ummm, disrespected at least and challenged at most. Word to wise.
  2. by   rnlily
    when I was in nursing school, I bent over backwards to be kind and respectful to the experienced nurses (when they were precepting me, I even offered to run and get them coffee if they really needed it, on occasion). Always thanked them for their time, told them I respected their experience and input, and I was eager to learn anything they showed me. At the end of all my clinicals, my instructors gave me glowing reports about my motivation and professionalism, and one said that many of the other nurses said I was "Just lovely." and "A pleasure to work with." My clinical group was also kind and professional. None of us ever talked back or got into power games. However, there were other people in my graduating class who were rude and disrespectful. When asked to do dirty work, like changing diapers or bathe patients, some actually refused, saying "I'm going to be a nurse practitioner. I don't have to learn how to do that." Some of the rudeness of my classmates was just legendary. I even overheard of couple of my classmates MAKING FUN OF A PATIENT WHO WAS ON A VENTILATOR. they were mocking the choking sound he made. So guess what came about from all of this? Some of those rude, arrogant classmates that I heard about? They all got jobs. Mostly from the hospitals where they did internships. I also did an internship at a hospital (where, again, I bent over backward to help out the nursing team as a whole. I learned anything and everything that my preceptor showed me and I thanked all of my instructors for all the help they gave me.). I got great feedback from my preceptor. And a pat on the shoulder and a "Thank you so much for all your hard work. Good luck finding a job." I'm still unemployed. I've been out of nursing school for 9 months. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I contacted every nurse who ever praised me. Every instructor who told me "You're an amazing student." No one has helped me. Usually the response I get is "Try applying online." As if the 700 or so online applications I've sent out haven't been enough. Every time I think about the rude, mouthy students who got immediate job offers, it really burns me up. Some of these people even made fun of children with Cushing's disease (not to their face, thank heavens. After a class on hormonal disorders, some of my fellow students turned to each other and stretched out their own cheeks with their hands to imitate the round moonface the patients often had. They thought it was a laugh riot). So I got the message loud and clear: NURSING CULTURE REWARDS RUDE, AGGRESSIVE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO FIT IN WITH THE REST OF THE NURSING TEAM. When I was told that I was "sweet, kind, lovely, respectful", I was nave enough to think that this would make me a more attractive employee. Boy was I wrong. Before nursing school, I never suffered unemployment. I got work immediately out of college, and when the recession hit and laid me off from that position, I got another job right away. In both cases, the job recruiters told me they liked me because I had the right skills, and because I seemed nice and easy to work with. So when I was in nursing school, in all my youthful innocence, I thought that would get me ahead in the nursing industry as well. Nope. I looked around at everyone who got work, and I noticed the pattern: it was the most aggressive, arrogant ones who got hired. I can only guess why. Maybe nurse managers think they'll stand up to the doctors more. Maybe nurse managers look for people that they won't have any qualms about firing in case the hospital pressures them into downsizing the staff. Maybe nurse managers are worried that the nice ones are more likely to be reduced to tears and quit early. So for all of you experienced nurses who are being driven crazy by salty newbies, all I can tell you is that if I had been hired, I would never have treated you like that. I'm sorry that you don't get the respect you deserve. But I have to wonder what it is that you all are doing, collectively, to create this culture that rewards meanness and punishes kindness.
  3. by   SoldierNurse22
    Quote from rnlily
    From that brick of a story, the line above sums up your opinion of the field well.

    It is unfortunate that you have been yet unable to find a job in nursing. However, to conclude that the whole of nursing is biased against you and your arguable personality traits is absolutely ridiculous. It is equally ridiculous (and a wee bit insulting) for you to come on this board and accuse an entire profession of individuals of being aggressive, rude, and arrogant, and thereby creating an environment of the like.

    I think many people (myself included) can give plenty of examples of how being a team player, displaying compassion for both your patients and your coworkers, and having a generally positive attitude makes a person much more likely to get hired/retain a job/fit in with coworkers/be generally more successful in life. I can tell you that when I see certain coworkers walk into shift, I get excited and know that the shift is going to go well. Why? Because they possess the traits listed above. The ones who don't possess the traits above? Let's just say we don't get along so well.

    Do jerks get hired? Yes. Do good people get **** on? Absolutely. Do both of the aforementioned happen in fields other than nursing? (By now, I hope you've caught onto the gist of these rhetorical questions).

    You've come on here to rant and rave about nursing being unfair. (Welcome to life as a whole, but I digress). And while it is unfortunate that you're having such a hard time, you're far from the only one in that spot. I find it interesting that you choose to blame it on the culture of the nursing field versus (oh, I dunno) the economy, being a new grad, etc....

    Have you considered that employers may not find bitterness an attractive quality in prospective hires, either?
  4. by   ladybug28
    I am a recent RN graduate, I have been an LPN for a year and a half and before that I was a medical assistant. Our generation I agree, feels some sort of entitlement, they think that because they got that RN degree they are smarter than anyone else and should be treated like royalty straight out of school. Well guess what...when you get out there in the real job world, you have to prove yourself, and if you are good and dedicated you can advance. As an LPN that started on the floor, I got promoted to unit manager within 6 months, why? Because they said i was a fast learner and the CNAs respected me. My coworkers that were older than me (everybody in their 50s and 60s...which they loved working the floor and didnt want to deal with corporate and paperwork..) were not mad at me, quite the contrary, they were happy for me. When I first started working, I followed every instruction and took notes so I didn't have to bother them asking the same questions 55 times, and guess what? they loved that. I don't have kids so when they needed to go home,I offered to help with their job. Its about being courteous with your coworkers and helping, but it is also about being firm and not letting people bully you. I only had one nurse that (she was a bully and was eventually fired), first day she made some mean comments about my shoes. I sucked it up and shut up. She continued this trend for a few more days, until one day I turned around and in a firm voice I said "if you make fun of me one more time, we are going to have a problem, i do not appreciate your rude comments"...never again I got a rude comment from her and she actually started respecting me. She got fired for other reasons. I had a nurse that took me under her wind and taught me everything i know. I also learned MDS from an LPN, so I worked as an MDS nurse some days and as a unit manager some other days. Now i am moving towards the hospital cause I want more experience and I got my RN. I expect to work hard,learn a lot from my coworkers and be respectful. I am not an *******, neither do I think the nursing profession is. Are you going to encounter some? sure...just as you would if you were an accountant, a clerk or whatever...the world is full of them. Can't find a job for 9 months? Sorry but be critical and look at what you are doing wrong...interview skills?, does your resume not look good? are you applying to the right jobs? Your resume is your number one killer most times. Oh and another thing...recent grads don't treat an LPN like she is less...these ladies know their stuff and can give you a run for your money, they have tons of hands on experience...respect them, and respect your cnas, nobody is too good to change a diaper. I want to get my masters too, but I will never be to good to turn somebody, clean a diaper or get somebody off a toilet.
  5. by   CherylRNBSN
    Quote from nisteber
    Are you kidding me? A Nicki Minaj quote? That is awful haha. But in all seriousness, I think the older ******* nurses only discourage the new ones because it makes them feel better. If they are still on the floor at age whatever 50 or 60. They have probably applied and not gotten a few management positions. Those are my thoughts after 5 months in as a new grad on a med surg floor.
    Dear Brand New Nurse,

    Allow me to address your ill-conceived comment.

    I will be 48 in one month. I have 7yrs. med surg experience and 6 yrs. critical care experience.
    I MANAGED a medical practice for 2 yrs.

    But after staying home to raise children (much like you, child), I returned to floor nursing after a 12 yr absence d/t divorce.

    I am VERY happily back at work on the floor. And doing very well, thanks to my years of experience. Can you imagine returning to work after a 12 yr. hiatus?

    Will I remain on the floor forever? No. I will return to school for post grad work and move on. But for now, I am VERY thankful for the opportunity to resume my CAREER. I ENJOY nursing, I enjoy my patients, and I enjoy colleagues of ALL ages.

    Your comment about being "on the floor at age whatever 50 or 60" is extremely arrogant, ignorant, and ill informed. It smacks of ***entitlement***. My dear, you are precisely why new grads get a bad rap!
  6. by   SarahLeeRN
    Quote from GrnTea
    . There is ample evidence of older nurses here and at work supporting, teaching, and mentoring younger ones, on their own time, for free, late at night when they ought to be in bed, precisely because they want to nurture new nurses.
    AMEN. And hallelujah for those nurses. I personally have known quite a few that have helped me. Amazing, amazing nurses. Great article!
  7. by   ladybug28
    Age doesn't matter, at the end of the day it is all about attitude. Nowadays you have ladies and gentleman going back to get their nursing degrees later in life, so what you think might be an experienced nurse might be a fresh new nurse! Can't count on age to determine experience. Also, it is ignorant to say that people that are 50 are on the floor because they didn't get management positions. Here are a few examples I can tell you about. My DON (10 years as a DON mind you) - is going to work at the ER - cause she says she misses direct patient care - she is 47 years old. So is she on the floor cause she didnt get the managment position? the unit manager that was my teammate is 65 years old, she could retire if she wanted - the most knowledgeable women you would meet, she was like Macgiver, had to come back to nursing after a divorce, I asked her about why she wasn't in higher management (she could have been a DON or more of a desk job) she said, "I like patients, and thats it, I have enough paperwork as it is, now it is all about the money", she also told me she was not going to retire for a while maybe just cut a few hours (which for her meant work about 60...she just loves to work she told me), my mentor Mary 55 years of age, told me "they are going to get me out of my floor in a coffin" joking that this was her ideal job, and did not want to go anywhere else. She has been a manager at other places. So to say that older people are there cause they weren't any better is nothing but an idiotic comment, that has no foundation. Quite the opposite in my experience, a lot of them just love good ole' nursing that involves taking care of the patient and nothing else. They wanna do real nursing, not a bunch of paperwork. I was the youngest employee and loved my cooworkers, we had a good time working, and sometimes they gave me some "tough love" cause I needed to learn, and it always came from a good place. Also sometimes you gotta roll with the punches. At any job you are going to have to climb your way up and make your place. Nobody is going to hand you anything. I would like to thank all my "older" mentors, to me you were a blessing, and I remember each one of them!
  8. by   anotherone
    well i work with many new grads . old and young ones . (20s to 50s). the last batch of all ages expects soooo much hand holding and only easy assignments. getting 2 admissions is bullying and crying to manager. makes me sick. everyone routinely takes 2-3 admissions. cant handle it, then quit. i have had it with getting dumped on because of the cry babies. fine , if i must pick up all the trainwrecks and admits i should be paid more than a dollar than the new grads!!!!!if you nicely explain or try to teach something then it is whining about "treating them like idiots". i have saved so many pts from poor assessment and prioritization skills only to get ******* at for not doing more of their work or telling them about it. if someone told me , " hey this pts hgb is 7.2 at 1800 draw, in the morning it was 8.7,maybe you should let the md know" i wouldn't go crying to management about that . i would be thankful but embarassed that someone else caught it . ( when in charge or awaiting report). everyone is a winner and gets a ribbon!!!!!!!
    Last edit by Esme12 on Feb 15, '13 : Reason: TOS/profanity/use of letters and symbols
  9. by   BrandonLPN
    Quote from KarenfRN
    I roll my eyes every time I see a post about someone's "dream job". How can you know it's your dream job when you haven't even worked one day yet? And, if it turns out you don't like it, is it then your "nightmare job"? I've seen quite a few posts on here by people who've gotten their (perceived) dream job & ended up hating the specialty/area. Apparently, then, your dreams are fantasy & not based in reality. Stop worrying about getting your dream job & just absorb all the knowledge you can from the more seasoned nurses in whatever area you're working.
    Yeah, 99% of the time "dream jobs" are just that..... dreams. It's nice to have goals, but I can't tell you how sick I am of new grad RNs telling me they're only here (in LTC) because no one else is hiring and once they got a year under their belt, they're outta here. If you're too stuck up to get down and dirty and learn during your "tour" in LTC, that year of experience won't be worth much. Frankly, most the new nurses who start with this sort of a chip on their shoulder are all talk anyway.... I'm not holding my breath waiting for such people's careers to blossom.....
  10. by   hya_cinthhya
    thanks and more power.
  11. by   ladyelph
    I am one of those 'young' (40) nurses, just qualified and setting out on my new career. I have a fantastic preceptor who is more knowledgeable than I can ever hope to be. ALL the 'old' nurses on the unit have been unbelievably supportive and willing to help a newbie. I would love to shout from the rooftops how great they all are, but have made do with ensuring the Matron knows at every opportunity what a fantastic team she has.

    Thank you to all the 'oldies' out there that are willing to help a newly qualified member of staff.
  12. by   opdahlamber
    GrnTea, can I move to where ever it is you live and come work with you? Just for a while..I would accept a day..PLEASE!!! Had a class full of sophomore RN students write article critiques about bullying in nursing. I wanted to scream. Your insight is perfect and absolutely true. The sense of entitlement that most of my classmates have is crazy! Complaints from "they don't round our percentages" to "but thats too early to go to clinicals". Are you kidding me?! I am sorry, so very sorry that you and all other seasoned, experienced, healthcare professionals have to deal with whiny, bratty, unable to take criticism, new grad "nurses". I hope I never act like that and if I do, I hope someone points it out quick, fast, and in a hurry. Thank you for pointing out what I'm doing wrong, how else am I to know? Don't get what is so hard about that response. Maybe these girls don't get spanked enough as children or taught to respect their elders. So thanks for being the elder and thanks for finally saying this. You truly rock.
    (I have to say it too...5 )
  13. by   Spidey's mom
    Thank you, GrnTea, for your perspective on this myth of nurses eating their young. It has driven me crazy for 15 years, when I became a nurse at age 40.

    There are many threads here on AN addressing this issue but you brought some more clarity to it. You can't blast an entire profession for the behavior of a few.

    There are meanspririted and rude people in all walks of life and of course we pay more attention to the negative than the positive. Think about newspapers - they sell more if they go with the scary and negative type of story than the sunshine enfused story about compassion.

    Of course there is bad behavior in some instances but it doesn't mean ALL nurses do this.

    Don't lump us all together.