Hospital Nurses - page 6
Yesterday at clinicals I asked our instructor, at the end of the day's group meeting, what a nursing student should do if the nurses atthe rehab center I was at won't talk to you, when you attempt to... Read More
Nov 25, '02Joined: Oct '00; Posts: 8,729; Likes: 8,411Hey, if you are asking a particular nurse questions about a patient fairly often it is a good gesture to offer to help with bedmaking, or feeding a pt, or sitting with someone who is upset. Even a CNA in training can get in and help regular staff and their willingness is noticed and appreciated.
As an RN I notice too, the students that spend an hour gazing blankly at the chart when there are regular staff trying to find a spot to sit and chart. Or if a resident needs some simple assistance and they walk on by. I would be less willing to help those that don't chip in when needed, or those that don't bother to look up information that they should have known before walking on the floor. Or sometimes a student having done all their research tries to show off- trust me it doesn't impress anyone.
Some people are nasty, but if you jump in and offer to help they soften up. Or at least you get to know who is receptive.
Nov 26, '02Occupation: a just a nurse contemplating the nature of my career..... Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 2,344; Likes: 21........................ and then..........................
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Nov 26, '02Occupation: RN, cardiology, MSN student Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 8; Likes: 1I just want to say that I think nurses are nurses and that we need to 'coddle' and 'respect' and appreciate, and communicate well with everyone that our careers come in contact with. We are only at work 36-40 hours a week, and it IS our responsibility to be mature, kind and helpful. We are the hands that do great work, and part of that work is educating student nurses. We are also part of a global society, that means we need to respect all persons, even those who have personality traits that we don't personally approve of. Lay off Mario, he is finding his way in a field that we all know is full of personalities and hangups that are sometime very irritating and vicious. We have ALL been there, thank god now that you are not doing what Mario is now.
Nov 26, '02Occupation: L.P.N. in LTC Specialty: med surg,homecare,hospice ; Joined: Aug '00; Posts: 4,682; Likes: 4,824Oh COME ON! I was NOT going to post to this thread again because I do not want to be argumentative but I can't keep my trap shut any longer...What in the heck is wrong with CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM? We have ALL been students and we have ALL been the newbie-whats wrong with sharing our experiences and the lessons we have learned? No one is picking on anyone...and if one does not want to hear advice one shouldn't ask for it....This is a public forum-free for all to post their opinions as long as they stay within the rules-and we have done so in this thread....I think some folks need to get a grip-look at some of the threads on this board and see how some other posters have been flamed and bashed and then look at this thread....Constructive criticism is being made out to be bashing and it is not.Why BASH those of us on this thread with an opinion different from yours? Im my experience I have worked around some great students and I hope that I maybe inspired one or 2 to go on and treat others the way I treated them (and continue to treat new employees,floats,pulls and agency nurses)...I have also been exposed to some that were less then responsible-Loud-all over the nurses station-notebooks thrown every where-gathered in groups-presuming to get involved in situations that were WAY over their heads and causing HARM...A member of my family had a HORRIBLE experience at the hands of a student.If I can spare another pt and their loved ones from the same kind of thing I will....I believe that students really need to be careful with how they communicate-being in-experienced it is easy for erroneous info to be given....Don't spout off with negatives in the clinical setting when you may be taking a situation out of it's true context.One of my classmates started a brou ha ha at one of our clinical settings that resulted in the school being barred from ever returning and it never should have happened-it turned out that she mis-interpreted an interaction between staff and an MR patient....She did not HAVE A CLUE....It is my humble opinion that some others need to buy a clue-and I'm entitled to my opinion.I am not a member of anyone's fan club here-and I read all posts and answer the ones that move me-and I do not craft my response for any particular board member..My opinion is my opinion no matter who is on the thread......You are welcome to put me on your "ignore" list..Go back and OBJECTIVELY read the entire thread...I would like to see some quotes in which anyone was rude or insulting-or bashed anyone...
Nov 27, '02Occupation: CNA Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 485; Likes: 15Mattsmom-
I guess you don't remember being a student or a new nurse. No one ever said that the student nurse is the ultimate responsibility of the staff nurse. We understand that you are busy and try to respect that and we only defer to the staff nurse if we absolutely have to. However, that does not give anyone the right to roll their eyes at the idea of my mere existence or treat me like garbage. I am glad that all nurses don't have an attitude like yours. You seem to feel " burdened" by student nurses, graduate nurses or anyone who poses the slightest bit of inconvienence to your day. My instructor cannot be with me every second and I since I of course am still learning and can not know everything, if I have to " bother" the staff nurse in order to properly care for my patient I will. Nurses constantly say, " What you learn in nursing school is not reality, but then if you ask a question the nurse says, " Didn't they teach you that in nursing school?" Damned if I do and damned if I don't, I guess.
Nov 27, '02Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 1,614; Likes: 2Nah - no one bashed anyone. I made an impact statement, comparing staff that totaly ignore students to wicked witches and also came off like all nurses have to at least interact verbally, if, for example, a student is ignored asking about an insulin shot. People were fixing to mob me, I think, just because the context got muddled down. I talked about contempt and gossip and how it is sick and wrong to participate in.
BTW - I finished clinicals at the sniff, and next quarter I have clinical at a hospital acute care. The hospital happens to be one of four operated by the same company I work for. I have worked CNA in acute care for >6 months, plus I will know e-chart.sys like I know how to make a creamy upside-down coconut and pinapple and orange cake.
But it seems there will be emotional violence at some places, I feel, just because there are a few people who choose to dislike each other. Learning is generated.
I had a soft-cell wall when this happen to me (contempt), and I always will.
If I am ever around ANY wicked witches again, I will pour a bucket of water over their head and watch them melt down to a black mass of nothing. Ding-dong - The witch is DEAD!!! The wicked witch is dead!!!!!
Nov 27, '02Occupation: CNA Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 485; Likes: 15Shoot, now we can't even post where we want? Sure, Mario and I could post on the student nurses forum but then we wouldn't get the feedback from the nurses with whom we are in conflict. Just because I have never worked a shift as a regular nurse does not mean I am not entitled to an opinion.And to generalize student nurses as being egotistical is unfair. I think most of us are scared to death. I don't feel that one has to be a licensed nurse to know that it is wrong to treat people who want to learn and eventually join their profession like ****. And not for nothing, I have worked with nurses with heavy pt loads who were under stress who treated me with nothing but respect. So it IS possible to be stressed out and not bite someone's head off when for example, the student reminds them that they are not allowed to give meds through a port or PICC line.(even though they are informed of this by the INSTRUCTOR beforehand. One time I didn't remind them and the med wasn't given and I got yelled at because, " You should have told me," even though they were already told)I have a class who is very respectful. We don't throw are notebooks all over or sit at the nurses station talking about our weekend. We are there to learn. It isn't as though each student has their own personal instructor, so if we have to "bother" you from time to time, so be it.Last edit by Flo1216 on Nov 27, '02
Nov 27, '02Occupation: Hospice clinical director Joined: May '02; Posts: 2,873; Likes: 26I enjoy working with students, and if I have an interested, motivated student with me, I will go out of my way to work with him/her.
I think what some of us were trying to convey is that you as a student learn better if you try to find the answers to your questions before you ask someone: 1) because you will know how to use your resource manuals, 2) reading through the info will help to impress it upon your memory, 3) you will be getting the info correctly...you may not always get a correct answer when you just ask someone, 4) if it's a procedure, you'll know you're doing it per policy.
It is the responsibility of the student to do the legwork for finding out information. And while it may seem like a small interruption to you to stop a nurse and ask a question, please consider that you are not the only person interrupting her while she's trying to get her work done.
Some nurses are rude to students, and some students are disrespectful to staff nurses. Neither is appropriate. However, there is some truth to the "self-fulfilling prophecy"; if you go into a clinical rotation expecting trouble from staff, somehow, that's what you end up with.
Nov 27, '02Occupation: Hospice clinical director Joined: May '02; Posts: 2,873; Likes: 26One other thing...timing is VERY important. If you have a question to ask, try not to ask it when your staff nurse you're assigned to is in the middle of a crisis, looks very frazzled, is trying to give a report to a doc., etc.
I know that sounds like common sense/Duh!, but students tend to be focused on what's going on with THEM, what THEY need...not what's going on in the department. So try to be sensitive to the craziness that can be a busy med-surg unit.
And something so small but thoughtful as bringing the staff nurse a cup of coffee/a coke is so appreciated. I'm not saying you have to be a suck up, but a small gesture like that can foster the beginnings of a rapport.
Like the old time song says (and we both could benenfit from these words), "Try a little tenderness."
Nov 27, '02Occupation: RN - College Health Specialty: Geriatrics/Oncology/Psych/College Health ; Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 6,584; Likes: 70Originally posted by Flo1216
No one ever said that the student nurse is the ultimate responsibility of the staff nurse.
I think what you are seeing in some of this thread is a reaction to the experiences most nurses have had with at least some students. I was an older student nurse, and I can say I definitely saw a certain amount of "entitlement" present in some of my classmates. It was not uncommon for them to ask a question of the busy nurse that could have been looked up with a little more effort. You would hear griping (from the students) that they couldn't get (whatever it was) done because the doctor had the chart or the nurse had the med sheet, or PT was with the patient, etc. Well, that's because clinicals are not set in a lab; they are set in real life. Be a little more present mentally and physically on the unit and less fixated on getting your paper done and eventually everything will turn up.
I agree that it's a two way street. A little more initiative on the students' part would be good. A little more guidance on the nurses' part as to what would be helpful or is expected would be great.
I think the point of saying that this might be a topic for student nursing is that you will get more support there. Here, you will get the support, but you'll also get some comments asking for some introspection and essentially was there anything that YOU could have done differently? You will get the other side of the coin.
I will never excuse the outright rudeness with which I have seen my fellow nurses treat students, and I will and have called them on it. The snide, "Yuck - we have students today" comments are completely out of line. However, I also don't appreciate when I've seen students complaining about the nurses when it's abundantly clear they don't (because they couldn't POSSIBLY) have any idea the full reality of the job. If you are a student who treats the nurses as tho we are more than your walking textbook, who shows a genuine interest in learning, and who is willing to wade into the messy stuff as well as being there for the "fun" stuff, then I will go WAY out of my way to make sure you get the best learning experience possible. Anyone who is just holding down a chair and tying up a chart for hours while stat orders are on it....well, I'm less giving.
I rechecked this message. It is not accusatory to any individual. If you (by that I mean any reader) read it as a flame, then it's possible that you see yourself in it, because not having worked with any of the students posting to this board, I can't speak to your conduct in the clinical environment. I can only recount what I am quite sure are not unique experiences from both sides of the NCLEX.
Good luck to all the students as they navigate clinicals...
Nov 27, '02Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 2,066; Likes: 12fab4fan"Some nurses are rude to students, and some students are disrespectful to staff nurses. Neither is appropriate."
I think I posted something like this several years ago on thread. It's pretty simple isn't it?
Nov 27, '02Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 2,066; Likes: 12P.S. Nurse Ratched...Well stated as always. Thank you.