Florence against men - page 4
I have a quote here from Luther Christman PhD,RN,FAAN that Florence Nightingale did everything she could to eliminate men from nursing. I know she is such an iconic hero to so many people but this is... Read More
Jan 17, '07Occupation: student Joined: Jan '07; Posts: 44Dr. MLK jr was a remarkable man...but it is well known that he had a lover other than his wife...and he was a minister. jc[/quote]
Yes..I mean NO, he shouln't have had a lover, but we can forgive him for that. But being a minister...now that's unforgivable.Last edit by MountainMan on Jan 17, '07
Jan 17, '07Occupation: student Joined: Jan '07; Posts: 44There was a divorce case in the early 80"s where a woman who was a stay-at-home mom,won a huge settlement by listing all the jobs she performed(child-care, housecleaning, cooking,etc.). Se started a revolution in divorce settlements.
File under- Too cherrished to work!
Jan 17, '07Occupation: Day Surgery/Infusion/ED Specialty: Day Surgery/Infusion/ED ; Joined: Feb '06; Posts: 1,405; Likes: 47This has strayed way too far from the original intent of the thread, and I'm more than a little disturbed by the tone it's taken.
Would a moderator please put this thread out of our misery?
Jan 17, '07Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 4,738; Likes: 104Quote from boxterWhether or not she died of syphilis, I don't know. Many people died of syphilis back then, and many people had it and spread it. Nobody understood what it was, how to control it or how it was spread . People hadn't discovered bacteria yet, much less how to kill it. Sad thing is that apparently she spent the latter period of her life as a semi-invalid be cause of it.adrienure:
So it is true? I was told by a Phd that Flo died of syphilis. She believed in total patient care. Hmmmmm?
Another thing about Flo that was amazing is that she was one of the world's first statisticians. She actually proved that what her nurses were doing worked, this is especially notable because medicine at the time involved a tremendous amount of hocus pocus and superstition. Been bled lately anyone?
Jan 17, '07Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 4,738; Likes: 104Perhaps the very act of promoting her ideas at the time was seen as man hating. Medicine at the time was very male centric. And that's where the idea that she hated men came from.
Jan 17, '07Specialty: 12 year(s) of experience in rodeo nursing (neuro) ; From: US ; Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 2,618; Likes: 2,838Quote from MountainManYes..I mean NO, he shouln't have had a lover, but being a minister...now that's unforgivable.[/quote]Dr. MLK jr was a remarkable man...but it is well known that he had a lover other than his wife...and he was a minister. jc
Actually, under his belief system, it was forgiveable. Wrong, but forgiveable.
I thought about Dr. King when reading this thread, too. Also Thomas Jefferson--a huge figure in the establishment of human rights, but also a slave owner.
To me, the reality that our heroes (and heroines) had human foibles suggests that we flawed humans can also aspire to at least a degree of heroism.
Plus, it would be a bit sad if our sensibilities hadn't evolved since Flo's day. Today, people debate whether women ought to be allowed to be combat soldiers. (I have mixed feelings.) Perhaps, in a hundred and fifty years, our progeny will shake their heads in wonder that we thought anyone should be a combat soldier. Well, maybe longer than that...
Jan 18, '07Joined: Dec '05; Posts: 860; Likes: 105I don't get it. If Florence was black or a male would her works have been greater or less? Does a rose by any other name not smell just as sweet? Why do so many have a problem with the fact that she was a wealthy white female..for some reason this makes her not worthy of the respect for her acts?
By the way Napoleon died of syphyllis also.
Jan 19, '07Occupation: Day Surgery/Infusion/ED Specialty: Day Surgery/Infusion/ED ; Joined: Feb '06; Posts: 1,405; Likes: 47Actually, Napoleon died from gastric CA.